Airsoft Arizona
Arizona Game Discussions => Local Games Listing/RSVP => Topic started by: svataz on August 18, 2015, 04:15:53 PM
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It's time again to run a game in honor of our friend.
Rifle rules basic lion claw rules
Aegs 366 with .25
Saws same
P stars 1.55 joules basic 366
Dmrs 400 over semi fire only no full auto capable
Snipers based over 500 to 570 .25 100 ft no shoot must have side arm.
Mags no limit high cap or standard all good.
Thunder bees good to go 15 kill range
Claymores good
Basic get him call it
Sound grenades 15 feet
Uniforms
Tan, acu dcu basic
Green, black so on
Multi cam will be placed on propper side
Top and bottom same color no mismatch please. Basics here colors very easy to see what side your on.
Red rags needed
Age limit is 16 years without parent under 16 parent or sponsor plays with u all times sealed eye pro.
If your within 50 ft semi fire please.
Remember this is a game of honor show respect have fun. I'll have all proper permits on me for the event. Day of th event game details will be gone over. Let's make this the biggest event. Ask away on questions.
Show up early chrono opens at 7:30
Game briefing 8:30
One more thing to add no blank fire allowed
Date change for this event
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AZ Scorpions Will be there.
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ill be there.
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ME AND MY TEAM WILL BE THERE JUST WAITING ON DETAILS.
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Who's writing the story line?
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Out of hiatus and back into the heat, I will be there!
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Details updated
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What time is the event?
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put me down tentative for green.
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Time updated
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Crossfire will be there in Woodland 6+
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Date change for this event November 7
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+7 TAN
ME AND MY TEAM WILL BE THERE JUST WAITING ON DETAILS.
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ill be there
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It is so annoying being 15 and not having a guardian who plays airsoft. There is definitely no way I can play with a waiver or something?
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I'll update on those under the age limit
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Thank you!
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Ex +1
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Hawks are in. Numbers soon...
Chuck, which side you want us on?
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I need to know how many people are green that will have bolt action sniper rifles. Also goes the same for tan.
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Desert Hawks I'll get a number of people this week. Also snipers I'll be doing a short meeting with u all day of the event
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Can I have some directions on how to get there?
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We will have a meet spot at the Wendy's on Shea and the b-line highway
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Can we get some idea of the AO...over head or map...
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What time are we going to meet at the Wendy's?
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We have some pics of the game spot on our Facebook red devil is setting up the meet spot details
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+8 for green
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where is this located? Could i get an address? First timer here :)
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Location is in the desert no address we will have a meet spot set up
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What is your facebook page? Sorry, I am new to this forum.
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Also, are non-biodegradable BBs allowed?
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I would prefer bio bbs
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Okay, I will try to get some bios.
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we have plenty of bio bb's at the command post.
we have G&G and now have a good selection of bioval bb's.
including .30
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Numbers are around 60 so far I'll have a better count after this sat
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Eagle +1 for sure. Will update if I can get a couple more guys..
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On the P-star rule.
Are all pstars relegated to 1.55J only? Or can those set up for snipers/dmr adhere to those rules?
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Just a few weeks away we have a fun day planned. Lots of firefights.
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1.55 joule is for all polar stars no exception.
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What is exact location??
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Gps is on first page of post. Meet spot is the Wendy's I'll have a time set up.
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What a disappointment. Never though I'd see california fearmongering make it to arizona. What a sad day.
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What a disappointment. Never though I'd see california fearmongering make it to arizona. What a sad day.
What do you mean?
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What a disappointment. Never though I'd see california fearmongering make it to arizona. What a sad day.
What do you mean?
BBs are ballistic. Once they leave the barrel they are no longer being acted upon by the gun.
Some people started getting the notion that somehow a bb traveling at a set velocity being propelled by air from a tank is different than air coming from a piston. Here in calistan, they equate .2g bb @360fps (1.2J) fired from any HPA system as having the same KE as a .3g @ 500fps (3.48J) fired by a bolty or even an AEG. Like HPA tanks grant you the ability to pour more speed in to a bb after it has left your barrel.
So they ban them or lock them down to ludicrous or unplayable ranges and can't give a reasonable explanation as to why.
AZ held out for several years but it seems the irrationality has spread. Though its a little higher but it is still the same premise. Have an HPA or gas bolty? Limited.
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With that said staff will be camping out fri night before the event also those needing to meet up I'll be posting time and location.
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What a disappointment. Never though I'd see california fearmongering make it to arizona. What a sad day.
What do you mean?
BBs are ballistic. Once they leave the barrel they are no longer being acted upon by the gun.
Some people started getting the notion that somehow a bb traveling at a set velocity being propelled by air from a tank is different than air coming from a piston. Here in calistan, they equate .2g bb @360fps (1.2J) fired from any HPA system as having the same KE as a .3g @ 500fps (3.48J) fired by a bolty or even an AEG. Like HPA tanks grant you the ability to pour more speed in to a bb after it has left your barrel.
So they ban them or lock them down to ludicrous or unplayable ranges and can't give a reasonable explanation as to why.
AZ held out for several years but it seems the irrationality has spread. Though its a little higher but it is still the same premise. Have an HPA or gas bolty? Limited.
Hmm. As a user of both AEG's and HPA systems myself, I can't see why there is an issue with a 1.55 joule limit. The limit is set across the board for all non "sniper" semi only/bolt actions. Personally, I feel that 1.55 joules are low for open desert, field play in here in Arizona, or anywhere else that has our conditions. As many people can attest, they have been witness to me wiping out entire squads at well over 300 feet with a model that is shooting within 1.55 joules. But I am a 1.82 Joule kind of guy.
Doing limits by joules is a far superior and safer method than by FPS though. Using joules limits "joule creeping" by using the BB's that the play is playing with on the field.
However, I do not understand why LC does not allow HPA in a model that fits all the criteria of "sniper" guns.
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What a disappointment. Never though I'd see california fearmongering make it to arizona. What a sad day.
What do you mean?
BBs are ballistic. Once they leave the barrel they are no longer being acted upon by the gun.
Some people started getting the notion that somehow a bb traveling at a set velocity being propelled by air from a tank is different than air coming from a piston. Here in calistan, they equate .2g bb @360fps (1.2J) fired from any HPA system as having the same KE as a .3g @ 500fps (3.48J) fired by a bolty or even an AEG. Like HPA tanks grant you the ability to pour more speed in to a bb after it has left your barrel.
So they ban them or lock them down to ludicrous or unplayable ranges and can't give a reasonable explanation as to why.
AZ held out for several years but it seems the irrationality has spread. Though its a little higher but it is still the same premise. Have an HPA or gas bolty? Limited.
Is there a bill in the works? I haven't been able to find anything.
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Hmm. As a user of both AEG's and HPA systems myself, I can't see why there is an issue with a 1.55 joule limit. The limit is set across the board for all non "sniper" semi only/bolt actions. Personally, I feel that 1.55 joules are low for open desert, field play in here in Arizona, or anywhere else that has our conditions. As many people can attest, they have been witness to me wiping out entire squads at well over 300 feet with a model that is shooting within 1.55 joules. But I am a 1.82 Joule kind of guy.
Doing limits by joules is a far superior and safer method than by FPS though. Using joules limits "joule creeping" by using the BB's that the play is playing with on the field.
However, I do not understand why LC does not allow HPA in a model that fits all the criteria of "sniper" guns.
Thats what Im saying. They, and that definition seems to be spreading, treat HPA guns as magic. Somehow, if they adhere to the rules for a typed gun, they are breaking the rules. By magic. The whole notion of creep is dealt with by calling out the parameters that are normally called out. Once it leaves the barrel at a given velocity the gun is out of the equation---why does the powerplant make a difference? piston or solenoid, they both use air to push a bb.
Is there a bill in the works? I haven't been able to find anything.
No, its purely field management. I.E. commonly AEGs are 400 with .25; HPA systems are relegated to 350 with .20g. Because magics. Theyre still not mainstream so I think it boils down to jealousy; there's no logical argument.
And like here, HPAs are locked into their own one category for all. You can't have a DMR or sniper HPA.
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No, its purely field management. I.E. commonly AEGs are 400 with .25; HPA systems are relegated to 350 with .20g. Because magics. Theyre still not mainstream so I think it boils down to jealousy; there's no logical argument.
And like here, HPAs are locked into their own one category for all. You can't have a DMR or sniper HPA.
In the Tucson area, the pay field limits are 400 fps with .2's but they don't even ask what weight you are using and supply no BB's for chrono. California did the same which caused the issue on the pay fields there. .43's at 400 is the same energy as .20's at 585 FPS. Combine that with 40+ RPS, with an unlimited supply of BB's, and air due to 15 minute evolutions. Then POOF, magic. Also, most new Chinese clone AEG's shoot nearly 400 fps with .25's out of the box. That's not too smart with the short or no MED's.
In those CQB arenas all guns should be at 1.2 joules. However, that would diminish the number of eligible players with new, stock AEG's, which is norm out there.
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The limits I use (many other AZ teams such as 6CA use a similar version) look like this.
Energy Limits:
Pistols, 1.55j: .20g@350, .23g@325, .25g@315, .28@295. With a no MED.
Field, 1.86j: .20g@445, .23g@415, .25g@400, .28@375, .30@365. With a 30' MED.
Sniper, 3.36j: .25g@535, .28@505, .30@490, .32@475, .36@445, .40@425. With a 100' MED.
PLEASE DO NOT FIRE ON ANYONE WITHIN THE MINIMUM ENGAGEMENT DISTANCE (MED)!
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svataz is game staff for LC and uses the LC standard 1.55 joules for all field guns.
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Part of the reason P* DMRs might not be allowed is that you can change the "semi auto only" feature by adjusting your FCU after chrono. Personally I wish they would allow P* DMRs because I am about to build one.
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No, its purely field management. I.E. commonly AEGs are 400 with .25; HPA systems are relegated to 350 with .20g. Because magics. Theyre still not mainstream so I think it boils down to jealousy; there's no logical argument.
And like here, HPAs are locked into their own one category for all. You can't have a DMR or sniper HPA.
In the Tucson area, the pay field limits are 400 fps with .2's but they don't even ask what weight you are using and supply no BB's for chrono. California did the same which caused the issue on the pay fields there. .43's at 400 is the same energy as .20's at 585 FPS. Combine that with 40+ RPS, with an unlimited supply of BB's, and air due to 15 minute evolutions. Then POOF, magic. Also, most new Chinese clone AEG's shoot nearly 400 fps with .25's out of the box. That's not too smart with the short or no MED's.
In those CQB arenas all guns should be at 1.2 joules. However, that would diminish the number of eligible players with new, stock AEG's, which is norm out there.
Of course not. What I'm on about is that you can limit an HPA rifle to perform like its aeg/spring counterpart. But they just drop them into their own lesser category. There are MED/pistol only ranges for sniper setups, whats wrong with an HPA following those rules? HPAs have no magic; they shouldn't be treated as such.
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Part of the reason P* DMRs might not be allowed is that you can change the "semi auto only" feature by adjusting your FCU after chrono. Personally I wish they would allow P* DMRs because I am about to build one.
Some games in the past used to use those warranty stickers, along with tourney locks.
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Back to the event we have planned those wanting to camp the night before our game hit me up. For those wanting a few details why hpa are not allowed by lc for sniper since we no longer have dmr as a class I can discuss it in another post or day of our event.
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ill be there
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Chuck, can you post numbers for each color in the main post?
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To everybody that doesn't know where we are going. I will be meeting people at the Wendy's on Shea and the b-line highway. I will be leaving there at 7am to caravan the lost souls out to the killing grounds. I will be in a red Nissan Titan King cab. My arrival time will be 6:30 am. So show up between 6:30 and 7am.
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No night game planned yet due to me working till 8. I do ask those wanting to camp get with me.
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Thanks for putting this on. I am sorry if ask noob questions, but I am one, so there you go. I am a dad with 3 boys (12.13 and 14) and we have played at VIP, FighterTown, etc... but never anything super awesome like this thing! I would like to ask a few things so I can take my brood here and have them learn from you guys, with me trying to keep up. First, are there any fees or anything else that we should be aware of? Second, we currently have a mix of camo so I need to get us all in the same basic range, I assume. Any suggestions on affordable options so all 4 can dress alike? I did find this camo online, would it work with the color options? http://www.airsplat.com/airsoft-tactical-concealment-at-bdu-sml.html Sorry if I am cheap, but arming and outfitting 4 is awesome on a teacher salary:). Anything else that we should know going out? Looking to teach my kids right and I want them to really embrace this sport. Thanks.
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ill be there, i can go green or tan. ill pack both sets just let me know what team come game day.. YUTTTT
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Those under the age limit can play but need to have your parent with them u get shot they are also hit for safety reasons. Staff will be in play and around making sure all is good and safe. Min age is 15
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Myself +1 for Green
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Me plus my 14 and 13 year old sons will be coming. We are wearing A-Tac Tan Based Camo. Since they are underage, they will be with me at all times and if one is out, all of us are out. Look for the fat guy wheezing with 2 teens yelling at him to hurry up and move!
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Fox Company will have about 8 for green.
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If it rains crossfire will still be there.
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Where is this event being held? I would be very interested, I have greenish digital camo, tan vest and sport an L96 rifle.
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Location is four peaks Area we have listed a meet spot in a previous post
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Hoping weather stays on our side
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Rangers have asked me to move the date to prior date November 14 due to a event they are closin off the area nov 7.
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-8 due to date change.
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Sorry to all that can't make it had no choice state asked me to
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Sorry our team wont be anle to make due to work.
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tentative + 3 green
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Me +1 *in multicam*
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Sorry to all that can't make it had no choice state asked me to
Did the date change again?
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Had to move to nov 14 mesa rangers confirmed we good see u all there also I need a head count for those wanting to camp fri before the event
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What's the rule on non p* hpa? Shooting with a Tippmann here.
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1.66 joules for HPA, and you can't be an HPA DMR.
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Fox company will still be there, exact numbers to follow.
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A updated number for players will be posted this weekend colors counted best I can also need a head count on those wanting to camp fri before the event.
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Switch my tentative 3 for green to a more positive 2-3 for tan.
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Okay, Positive +2 tan and do you need a tunry lock for HPA? I don't have one, can you just zip-tie it?
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Yep tourney locks for all hpa zip ties will be supplied
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Sorry not been posting numbers are hard to keep track of due to a unexpected date change, I'll be at the ao fri night. Those meeting at the meet spot please be early be ready for a fun day.
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Can you please post the location of the AO? I know there is a meeting place, but I'd still like to know where exactly we will be playing.
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Location is near the cliff area no address ther is a post on where it is any further help let me know
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Can you please post the location of the AO? I know there is a meeting place, but I'd still like to know where exactly we will be playing.
The coordinates are: 33.6234560, -111.4481290 if you have a smaller car or just want a smoother ride take the Cline Cabin Road route.
EDIT: +1 for Multicam possibly 1-2 more for either Tan or Green. I should have definite numbers this week.
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Weather is looking great remember garbage bags we have a fun event planned.
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Would like to attend. Gonna try to make it out.. I'll be in woodland if I do make it..
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Just a quick question are smokes grenades ok? I have some of the Endola Gaye EG18 smokes, they're cold burning but I know they have managed to catch on fire especially in the summer season.
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Are we supposed to bring garbage bags? If so, how many?
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What u pack in pack out we can't leave any trash there need to keep the desert clean so please pick up all your own trash see u all sat
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+2 for tan
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Got 4 more for green. See you guys Saturday.
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I am going with a guy that only has full multicam (BDUs, PC, Pouches) what side will he be on? I will be going tan so it would be cool if we could be on the same side.
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Multi cam will be placed day of the event
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Okay, thanks!
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By the way, I will be bringing a scuba tank if anyone needs HPA out there.
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Lol, I feel like I have posted so much here, sorry. But does anyone have some .32g BBs or heavier I could buy/trade for the game?
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Command post might have some bbs for sale don't forget there will be a sniper meeting before u head out to the start points
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I am HPA so I cannot be a DMR or sniper right? Ugh, command post is really far away from me.
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Staff will be on site around 6 see u all in the morning
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Thank u to all that attended
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It was fun! I wish my HPA tank would have been full.