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« on: May 11, 2004, 01:05:25 PM »
I just read that.  Time for some payback!
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2004, 01:07:45 PM »
harley, that was payback.  we keep escalating, and it will get worse and worse.
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2004, 01:15:57 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />harley, that was payback.  we keep escalating, and it will get worse and worse.
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<b><font size="4">YOU ARE NOT ONLY WRONG, YOU ARE DAMN *&*^#*$# WRONG!</b>

A LIVE BEHEADING AS "PAYBACK" FOR PUTTING PANTIES ON SOMEONE'S HEAD?!  ARE YOU INSANE?!

SORRY BUT I AM PISSED!</font id="size4">
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2004, 01:19:41 PM »
This video needs to be posted on the front damn page of CNN.com, right next to the prisoner abuse photos!  Compare and contrast.

So may I ask, WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE FOR THIS?!?!?!?!

SO WHERE'S THE *#$^*@ OUTRAGE FROM AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL, KOFI ANAN, THE RED CROSS, CAIRO AND THE ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC PARY???!!!

Oh I see, there's no outrage because it was an AMERICAN who was beheaded by MUSLIMS - THAT'S why there's no outrage!

You see, THAT'S okay - Beheading American civilians - that's nothing for any US Senator to get all red-in-the-face angry at.

Putting a panty on the head of an Iraqi terrorist who is killing American troops - now THAT'S an outrage!

But THIS? Not a peep from the Democratic Leadership. Big, big surprise.
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2004, 01:21:26 PM »
It is time to LET LOOSE THE MILITARY in Iraq, now!

The WILL of the terrorists to continue stuff like this needs to be quashed!
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2004, 01:32:24 PM »
And this isn't the first one, remember the guy they beheaded in Pakistan?  Time to stop ***** footing around and kick some serious ass!
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2004, 01:37:20 PM »
Yes.  Daniel Pearl.

I am all for "letting loose" with the US military.  We need to stop doing all this with one hand tied behind our back!
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2004, 01:42:19 PM »
I don't think the terrorist really think they need justification.  They would probably be doing this kind of crap anyway.  I could be wrong but I think folks in general are getting upset with the murder, torture, rape, glow sticks up the ass and other such incidents apparently occurring to the POWs rather than the panties over the heads.
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2004, 01:52:15 PM »
paco...  how about the 4 murdered prisoners?  one was bitten multiple times by a us guard dog, at the handlers direction, and left to die of bleeding, and one was shot against a wall in front of others, as a warning.  and tell me, what stories do we have of americans being tortured?  none.  when americans HAVE been killed, its been an instant death.  if there WERE reports of torture and abuse of the caliber the us soldiers have been visiting on the prisoners in abu graib (90 percent of which , according to the red cross, were arrested wrongly, and still never released) being committed on american soldiers, would you or would you not be shouting for the death of those responsible?
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2004, 01:53:08 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Paco</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />harley, that was payback.  we keep escalating, and it will get worse and worse.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

<b><font size="4">YOU ARE NOT ONLY WRONG, YOU ARE DAMN *&*^#*$# WRONG!</b>

A LIVE BEHEADING AS "PAYBACK" FOR PUTTING PANTIES ON SOMEONE'S HEAD?!  ARE YOU INSANE?!

SORRY BUT I AM PISSED!</font id="size4">
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I have awakened a sleeping giant....
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2004, 01:57:13 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />paco...  how about the 4 murdered prisoners?  one was bitten multiple times by a us guard dog, at the handlers direction, and left to die of bleeding, and one was shot against a wall in front of others, as a warning.  and tell me, what stories do we have of americans being tortured?  none.  when americans HAVE been killed, its been an instant death.  if there WERE reports of torture and abuse of the caliber the us soldiers have been visiting on the prisoners in abu graib (90 percent of which , according to the red cross, were arrested wrongly, and still never released) being committed on american soldiers, would you or would you not be shouting for the death of those responsible?
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Spin, spin, spin...  SHOW ME EVIDENCE OF WHAT YOU'RE ALLEDGING!

ROFL!  You think "90%" are not criminals that should be in that prison?  Again, you can alledge, and alledge again and again, but show me EVIDENCE of this!

Since when is getting your throat slit an "instant death"?  How about being BURNED ALIVE?  Is that an instant death?

I can't believe your seeming indifference to this.
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2004, 01:59:12 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leadmagnet</i>
<br />I don't think the terrorist really think they need justification.  They would probably be doing this kind of crap anyway.  I could be wrong but I think folks in general are getting upset with the murder, torture, rape, glow sticks up the ass and other such incidents apparently occurring to the POWs rather than the panties over the heads.
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I agree, and there's NO excuse for what those soldiers did to the Iraqi prisoners...  but my OUTRAGE is at the left in this country!

They went absolutely NUTS about the prisoner mistreatment and where the HELL is their outrage about an innocent american being MURDERED!?
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2004, 02:02:55 PM »
Maybe you should see this, and then compare what we KNOW happened in the prison, and compare it with what we KNOW happened to this american!

<b><font color="red">WARNING - THIS VIDEO IS VERY, VERY GRAPHIC!  DO NOT VIEW IT IF YOU THINK YOU MAY BE OFFENDED!</font id="red"></b>

<a href="http://www.niel.com/ar15/iraq2vediom.wmv">Right-Click and Save As...</a>
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2004, 02:04:08 PM »
What pisses me off more was the simple fact he was a civillian.  He wasn't a soldier or a body gaurd, he was in communications and just trying to make a living.
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2004, 02:06:15 PM »
An update:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- An al Qaeda-linked Web site posted video Tuesday of a man who identified himself as an American and then was beheaded.
His captors said the United States refused to exchange him for prisoners in the Abu Ghraib prison.
"For the mothers and wives of American soldiers, we tell you that we offered the U.S. administration to exchange this hostage for some of the detainees in Abu Ghraib, and they refused," a hooded man standing behind the American says in Arabic.
"So we tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls. You will not receive anything from us but coffins after coffins, slaughtered in this way."
At the beginning of the tape, the victim describes himself as Nicholas Berg from Pennsylvania.
"My name is Nic Berg. My father's name is Michael. My mother's name is Suzanne. I have a brother and a sister -- David and Sarah," the man says.
"I live in West Chester, Pennsylvania, near Philadelphia."
He is then shown sitting in front of five hooded men. After the statement is read by one of the men, the victim is pushed to the floor and, amid his screams, his throat is cut. One of the captors then holds up the man's severed head.
"This shows the true nature of the enemies of freedom," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters. "They have no regard for the lives of innocent men, women and children."
Berg's family told The Associated Press that they knew he had been decapitated but weren't aware of the details.
"I knew he was decapitated before," his father, Michael Berg, told the AP. "That manner is preferable to a long and torturous death. But I didn't want it to become public."
Suzanne Berg said her son was in Iraq as an independent businessman with a desire to help rebuild communication antennas.
"He had this idea that he could help rebuild the infrastructure," she told the AP.
Earlier in the day, the State Department identified the body of an American found Monday in Baghdad as that of Nicholas Berg of Pennsylvania.
Berg was not a soldier or a civilian employee of the Pentagon, the State Department said.
A senior State Department official also said that the decapitated body of an American had been found, but he could not confirm it was Berg.
The Web site said the killing had been carried out by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of an Islamist terrorist group that has claimed responsibility for numerous attacks on coalition forces in Iraq.
 
 
Nick Berg was due leave Iraq on March 30, his family said.
The voice on the tape could not be verified as that of al-Zarqawi.
The video was discovered as a U.S. Senate committee heard testimony on the U.S. military investigation into abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib. (Full story)
Earlier Tuesday, U.S. military officials said American soldiers have killed 13 Iraqi militia loyal to renegade Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and have detained 14 others in overnight fighting near Najaf.
Late Monday, members of al-Sadr's Mehdi Army attempted to ambush a U.S. convoy with small-arms fire. No American forces were injured in the incident.
The U.S. military began an offensive Sunday to retake control of parts of the city, reclaiming the governor's palace from al-Sadr's control.
Al-Sadr, who is wanted in connection with the killing of a rival cleric last year, launched an uprising against U.S. troops in April. Since then, coalition forces have cracked down on the cleric's strongholds while trying to avoid religious sites.
Al-Sadr is believed to be in Najaf, where his militia remains in control of much of the Shiite holy city. He travels to nearby Kufa to deliver weekly sermons Fridays.
Saddam handover may occur by June 30
Salem Chalabi, the man heading the Iraqi war crimes tribunal, said Tuesday the coalition is "considering" the possibility of handing over Saddam Hussein to Iraqis before the June 30 date for sovereignty.
But, he told CNN, he is not sure if it is ready to do that.
Earlier, Kuwaiti government sources told CNN they heard Chalabi say the United States would hand over Saddam to the Iraqis before they get sovereignty from the coalition. Wire services issued similar reports.
But Chalabi claimed he was misquoted and misunderstood. He said there is still a lot of work that defense attorneys for Saddam will have to do and it is likely he would not be the first of the suspects tried.
He said the tribunal would try to have his trial completed by the end of next year.
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