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Offline Harley

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« on: January 12, 2004, 04:11:12 PM »
You need to fill out the proper paperwork for building the firearm, go through all the hoops for finger printing and background checks locally.  Then send it all in to the ATF with your $200 tax fee.  When you get it all back approved you can THEN build your gun or assemble it as I'm sure that's what you plan to do.  Be ready for lot's of fireballs out of that short barrel though.  Get a good Flash hider like a Vortex or Phantom to help control it.  Short barreled AR's are cool!

Leakingpen, you paying attention here?  Do you see what this man will have to go through to own a rifle that the only difference in it from any other one is that the barrel is less than 16 inches.  It doesn't make this gun anymore dangerous that one with a longer barrel.  Just another way for the goverment to regulate gun ownership which it has no right to do under the US constitution.
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2004, 04:49:40 PM »
Ahmen to that last line.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2004, 05:54:58 PM »
One more thing Basher, once you register it as an SBR it will always be an SBR.  You can't throw a regular upper on it and sell as a normal AR15 after that.  So keep that in mind.
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2004, 06:05:12 PM »
I was also going to say that he can't install a flash hider on it unless he buys a preban lower, or waits until mid September.  The big downside to a SBR is what Harley mentioned - once the lower is registered as a SBR, it is ALWAYS that, so it's VERY difficult if not impossible to sell.  That being said, I never understood why someone would want a 10" barrel for "fun" shooting - especially in a "post ban" config.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2004, 06:14:25 PM »
I didn't mention that because he stated he was getting prepared for the ban to sunset.  Kind of like someone else I know....
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2004, 08:50:53 PM »
Oh, one more thing.  If you decide to go through with the SBR project, when you fill out the paper work and put down the caliber of the rifle, be smart and mark down several such as 9mm, .45acp, 10mm, 7.62x39, etc.  I say this because it's important, if you were ever to be approached by an ATF agent and asked to show your tax stamp and the gun is registered as a .223/5.56 and you had a 9mm or any other caliber upper on it you would be in violation.  Stupid technicality, but a serious one just the same.

Download the ATF form 2 for building a new firearm which is basically what you're doing.  Look it over carfully, I noticed that it spceifies barrel length as well, so you may want to spcify more than one length in case you swap uppers.  I'd contact the ATF though and explain what you want to do and how should you fill out the form.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/5000.htm#firearms
Download ATF F 5320.2 Notice of Firearms Manufactured or Imported.
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2004, 08:43:46 AM »
amen harley.  i dont agree with gun bans.  (up to a point.  a mortar or one of those hummer mounted .50 cal machine guns is a bit much. ) and the current assault weapons ban is ridiculous.  pretty much just bans guns based on their looks, so you remake teh same weapon with some differences and its fine...

 now i have a question.  are there restrictions on what you can build yourself "from scratch" as it were?  not a copy of a particular firearm, but a totally homebrew creation from sheet metal and home cast parts?  just curious.
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2004, 09:51:16 AM »
Anyone who can legally own a firearm can build one per year for their own personal use, not for resale.  That's a home built, made from scratch project mind you.  Like one of those 80% receivers you see on eBay for sale all the time.  No serial number is required either.
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2004, 10:04:05 AM »
Now, I find this thread extemely intersting. I want a shorty AR real bad!
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2004, 10:04:13 AM »
do they have to fall under the other various bans regarding round capacity, barrel length, ect? (i know, i know, look it up, but i figured you'd know off the top of your head)  thanks.
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2004, 10:44:16 AM »
Yes you have to follow all the normal rules, barrel length, assult weapon no-no's, etc.
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2004, 09:10:38 PM »
Shorty barrels look cool but a 16 is still small.Thank god that the legal limit is'nt 25 or something.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2004, 04:44:31 PM »
Hey, I almost forgot about this thread!

Thanks for the responses, guys. One question. Once I have this thing built, can I put a 16 or 20" upper on it for a varmint outting, provided I have my "tax stamp" with me to prove what it is? I mean, I know you can switch uppers, but it never crossed my mind. I almost dropped the idea a day or two back because of that. But if I can build it as a 11.5 or 14.5" and then put longer barrels on it just for fun little hunting outings or something, then I'll be all set. I just don't want the 11.5 or 14.5 ir that's all I can have, because I'll lose too much velocity for long range varmint hunting. Thanks guys!
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2004, 06:45:06 PM »
Basher,
Harley & Paco both have stated the following:
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<br />One more thing Basher, once you register it as an SBR it will always be an SBR.  You can't throw a regular upper on it and sell as a normal AR15 after that.  So keep that in mind.
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<br />I was also going to say that he can't install a flash hider on it unless he buys a preban lower, or waits until mid September.  The big downside to a SBR is what Harley mentioned - once the lower is registered as a SBR, it is ALWAYS that, so it's VERY difficult if not impossible to sell.  That being said, I never understood why someone would want a 10" barrel for "fun" shooting - especially in a "post ban" config.
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2004, 08:51:32 PM »
Thanks Pancho.  You can put whatever upper you want on it AFAIK, but the lower will ALWAYS be a registered "SBR" even if you have it with a 20" upper on it.  Just realize (again) that once you register it as a SBR, it's pretty much impossible to sell.  Out of curiosity, why do you want it as a SBR?  Is it just to be unique/the look?
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