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Post by: Pancho on February 15, 2004, 11:29:19 PM: Tasco Super Sniper, Jason?
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Post by: azsarge on February 16, 2004, 12:07:36 AM: Nice!

The Tears of the Sun screen in the backgrond add nice flair as well.
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Post by: Legs on February 16, 2004, 01:16:52 AM: Not bad at all, Jas. Nice rifle and good group.
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Post by: Harley on February 16, 2004, 06:05:39 AM: Good shooting tex.
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Post by: Paco on February 16, 2004, 08:37:35 AM: Azsarge, I am impressed you caught the menu screen for TotS in the background. Isn't it a *mandatory* movie for cleaning weapons after a range session? [;)]
Yep, Tasco Super Sniper 10x42 - good call, Pancho. Everyone seems to have mixed opinions on these scopes - love or hate I guess - but it works just fine for me. I put Leupold 30mm rings and bases on it. I also was VERY surprised that the rifle shot that well from a bipod, as I wasn't counting on myself to be able to hold it that steady. I thought I'd need to use my rifle rests to get that sort of grouping.
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Post by: Trashcan on February 16, 2004, 08:40:21 AM: you have one of those little remote pads that controls like, everything? you have too much money :)
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Post by: Mr. Joseph on February 16, 2004, 09:21:28 AM: I prefer black hawk down.
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Post by: SHIFTY1944 on February 16, 2004, 10:12:45 AM: Very nice.Now for some real skill try it without the scope,and shooting offhand.If you can even hit the target,your the man!I can't do it.
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Post by: Basher on February 16, 2004, 10:37:40 AM: Shifty, you mean just looking down the barrel? I didn't see any sights on that rig (which is very nice, by the way Jason!). Using irons is quite the challenge. I'm trying it with mine whenever I can afford ammo!

That's a smokin' group as well. I'd hate myself if I ever sold something that shot that well. Save up and get the action trued and the lugs lapped, among other things, and she'll only get better. [:D]
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Post by: Paco on February 16, 2004, 10:47:01 AM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SHIFTY1944
 Very nice.Now for some real skill try it without the scope,and shooting offhand.If you can even hit the target,your the man!I can't do it.
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Heh... ummm... it is a "sniper" rifle, thus it doesn't have any iron sights as Basher pointed out. Not sure how many people use such a rifle (bolt action no less) to shoot off-hand without any optics.

As it is, I don't think I need to make it any more accurate than it already is. It will definitely outshoot me.
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Post by: Basher on February 16, 2004, 10:49:54 AM: Oh, come one! You'll have to tinker with it some eventually! "Everybody's doing it!" [:D]
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Post by: Pancho on February 16, 2004, 10:55:56 AM: Jason, I really like my Super Sniper.

I am happy to see you getting that kind of group also. Do you have a place where you can go for a 300 yd zero? That will be a good test for you! Is the barrel 24"? Or 26"?

One of these days we'll have to get together...you may recall my Ruger sniper rifle...[;)]
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Post by: Paco on February 16, 2004, 11:05:16 AM: It's a Remington 700 PSS, made in November 1993 according to Remington. It's a 24" barrel. Ever since the mid-90's, they began making them in 26" only, which is a shame. I looked long and hard to find a good 24" one - I just think it looks best at that length.
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Post by: Pancho on February 16, 2004, 11:20:32 AM: I agree as to the look of the 24" barrel. But even the USMC is starting to phase in the 26" w/ the M40A3...apparently, they'd like a little more accuracy out of the good ol' M700!!
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Post by: Harley on February 16, 2004, 11:39:43 AM: Offhand means shooting without a rest, not without sights. If you can hold steady from the standing position and using your scope of course, see if you can hit the target then. I prefer iron sights or a red dot for offhand shooting, and a scope for bench or bipod shooting.
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Post by: busta_cap on February 16, 2004, 12:16:23 PM: LOL nice rifle and scope.. I too noticed other than the rifle was the TOTS dvd menu.. Favorite movie of all time. Where did you go shooting at PACO?
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Post by: Farslayer on February 16, 2004, 12:21:38 PM: Very, very nice system Jason.
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Post by: Paco on February 16, 2004, 12:38:50 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Harley
 Offhand means shooting without a rest, not without sights. If you can hold steady from the standing position and using your scope of course, see if you can hit the target then. I prefer iron sights or a red dot for offhand shooting, and a scope for bench or bipod shooting.
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Yeah, I know what off-hand means but, read his post again:

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SHIFTY1944
 Very nice.Now for some real skill try it without the scope,and shooting offhand.If you can even hit the target,your the man!I can't do it.
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emphasis added.
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Post by: Harley on February 16, 2004, 01:41:37 PM: I read it, that's why I also mentioned "not without sights".
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Post by: Legs on February 16, 2004, 01:59:21 PM: What impresses me more is that you've only been shooting for a relatively short time now and you managed that group. That is good rifle control, amigo. Nicely done.
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Post by: yellowmonkey on February 16, 2004, 07:15:47 PM: I don't know how you guys feel, but I think shooting with steel sights is a lot more fun than with scope. It helps you learn your gun. Nice gun paco.
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Post by: Paco on February 16, 2004, 07:45:07 PM: ...just want to point out that, again, this Remington 700 has no iron sights. It can't be shot without optics. [:p]
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Post by: Basher on February 16, 2004, 08:04:12 PM: . . . Which is unfortunate. [:)] Try getting a 2" group at 100 with one of your AR's. That's tough (using the 0-200m aperture, not the 200m+ aperature). [:P] Off-hand, that is. I've never done it, but then again, I don't have an AR to play with yet. [:(]
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Post by: Pancho on February 16, 2004, 10:53:46 PM: I can't get a 2" group @ 100 w/ an AR w/ open sights even from a benchrest! Regardless of ammo. But I can take that same ammo and put it in my Winchester Model 70 and shoot dime sized groups all day.

Personally, I enjoy shooting nice tight 4 or 5 round groups as much as anyone. But the REAL test of accuracy is in a "cold bore" bullseye. Try it at 100..then 200...then 300. Watch how hard THAT gets. If you ever have to use your gun to kill something, chances are you'll have a cold bore...not all nice and warmed up after shooting a few rounds through it.
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Post by: Harley on February 17, 2004, 06:59:52 AM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Paco
 ...just want to point out that, again, this Remington 700 has no iron sights. It can't be shot without optics. [:p]
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Actually it CAN be shot without optics, whether you hit anything or not is a different story. [;)] [:p]
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Post by: Harley on February 17, 2004, 07:03:33 AM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Basher
 . . . Which is unfortunate. [:)] Try getting a 2" group at 100 with one of your AR's. That's tough (using the 0-200m aperture, not the 200m+ aperature). [:P] Off-hand, that is. I've never done it, but then again, I don't have an AR to play with yet. [:(]
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An AR can get decent groupings with aftermarket trigger packs. I'm sure Paco's PSS has a sweet trigger running somewhere around 2lbs of pull. I put a Jard trigger that I bought of Paco in my AR and it has a 2lb pull. Very sweet to say the least. I had another AR that had a JP trigger pack in it and shot better than 1/2 inch groups with the proper loads.
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Post by: Raven1 on February 17, 2004, 02:26:51 PM: Well done Jason!
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Post by: falconflyer11 on February 17, 2004, 03:45:05 PM: is there something I am missing, i didnt think tots was that good of a movie. theres no way the woulda survived in the end. but w.e. i prefer 1941 as war movies go..hahah. just playing,...i like three kings, saving pivate ryan, band of brothers, and black hawk down
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Post by: Legs on February 17, 2004, 04:29:00 PM: Let's not rehash that particular movie debate here. It was a ridiculous debate, based more on what would have happened AFTER the seen events than on what happened on screen. Wrong forum for it here anyway.
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Post by: azsarge on February 17, 2004, 06:47:15 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Legs
 Let's not rehash that particular movie debate here. It was a ridiculous debate, based more on what would have happened AFTER the seen events than on what happened on screen. Wrong forum for it here anyway.
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Concur.

Wrong thread.
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Post by: SHIFTY1944 on February 17, 2004, 08:19:30 PM: Gentlemen,my deal is scopes are basically a cheat.If you can hit your target with iron sights that shows some real skill.Anyone can hit a target with a scope and benchrest/bipod if its sighted in correctly.I'am not impressed by long range accuracy with a scope.If your hunting big game...thats another ballgame.Its the same as a laser sight on a pistol.I guess I was raised old school.
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Post by: Pancho on February 17, 2004, 09:52:39 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SHIFTY1944
 Anyone can hit a target with a scope and benchrest/bipod if its sighted in correctly.I'am not impressed by long range accuracy with a scope.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">How wrong you are...there are many factors to consider..and the longer the range, the more these factors affect accuracy. Windage, elevation, mirage, cheek weld...yes, these affect iron sight shooters too. But seriously, w/ open sights you are limited to your vision. Try hitting a paper plate at say 200 yards w/ iron sights. Very tough to do. Compare that with hitting the same target at 400 yards with a 9x scope. Pretty close to the same comarison. Like anything...it takes a lot of practice. The scope just allows you to see further.
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Post by: Basher on February 17, 2004, 10:13:36 PM: Try hitting a man-sized target at 800. Tough work for the uninitiated. [:D] Plus the scope amplifies every heartbeat and twitch (as I'm sure you know). Plenty of challenge if you ask me. Just extend the range until your group opens. Then commence pratice. [:D]
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Post by: yellowmonkey on February 18, 2004, 01:34:12 AM: I would tend to agree with shifty, but scopes are just something completely different... it's a whole new way of shooting a gun. I have to use a scope when I hunt, but if I could, I would hunt with iron sights.
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Post by: Basher on February 18, 2004, 04:17:28 PM: My M70 has irons, so I'm going to set things up so I can take the scope off and use my irons to hunt if the idea so interests me. I will admit that since things are smaller with no magnification, they're harder to hit. But they are both two different things. I like both myself. [:D]
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Post by: Paco on February 15, 2004, 11:18:11 PM: I went to the range Saturday and shot my M700 after I put the new rings and scope on it. I sighted it in (well, almost) and fired these 3 shots from a bipod @ 100 yards.

My rifle:
http://www.airsoftarizona.com/m700/DSC00958.jpg

The group:
http://www.airsoftarizona.com/m700/DSC00956.jpg

That was using Federal "American Eagle" .308 WIN 150 grain FMJ Boat-Tail's. [:D]