Transporting Airsoft Replicas

[headhunter]

ok guys, i think i got the point, not to be mean but thirty thousand people saying the same thing still makes it the same thing, and i do shoot,alot. i don't own gun bags though. my dad does and he thinks that an airsoft gun doesn't require a gun bag. i tell him alot. i don't have money sitting around and i don't have a job. i make do with what i have. it gets annoying after the same moral is told twice or three times. it really sucks when people tell you to do things you cant.

[vibora]

ok guys, i think i got the point, not to be mean but thirty thousand people saying the same thing still makes it the same thing, and i do shoot,alot. i don't own gun bags though. my dad does and he thinks that an airsoft gun doesn't require a gun bag. i tell him alot. i don't have money sitting around and i don't have a job. i make do with what i have. it gets annoying after the same moral is told twice or three times. it really sucks when people tell you to do things you cant.

Cry me a river.  Get a case or a bag to put the gun in, or don't take it outside.  It's that simple.  Honestly, I'd be less worried about the cops, and more worried about the armed populace taking care of kids like you.  There are some very trigger-happy people in this state.

And Moroni, there are a lot of reasons to not allow a cop to search your vehicle (or put you in handcuffs for that matter).  Truthfully telling a cop that you have weapon in the vehicle, for example, is not enough reason for them to search a vehicle, unless they have reason to believe that you have just committed a crime with that gun or that you are not legally allowed to possess a firearm.  If it was an airsoft gun, your profile says you are 18 and legally allowed to own one.  You are also allowed to possess nearly any real firearm at 18 in the state of Arizona (might not be allowed to buy it, but you are allowed to own one).  Therefore, in any version of this scenario, if you have a valid ID showing your age and you are not a felon, no cop should be searching your vehicle simply on the basis that it contains firearms.  Don't let the police trample all over your rights, dude, even if it is more time-efficient.

[Fresnel]

My nephew uses a guitar case because he is extremely broke.  Get creative ladies.

phhhh....trash bags.

But spazz, i walk with a barret cover on. Eci in, mag out, orange flash hider on, and muzzle in the air. Only once have i had a cops called on me and that was while playing. ( exept from the last old hatfeild game)

Wait, does ECI mean something different in terms of airsoft? Because I cannot imagine how an airsoft Empty Chamber Indicator would work.

EDIT: Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to point out how sad it is that we're all terrified of the cops or our neighbors harassing us and/or shooting us for doing something that is in absolutely no way illegal, nor does it LOOK like anything illegal.

[xTanTricK]

I wouldn't say terrified but more annoyed at the fact the I see kids walking down the street with, what i know to be airsoft guns, and they act like it's no big deal. It might not be a big deal to them but to the neighbores who happen to dislike firearms and do not know the difference between a fake and real one one could take it ad a big deal. Airsoft gets enough negative attention in the media and I personally do not want it get anymore negative attention. Informing a kid of how to properly transport a firearm or replica firearm was my way of trying to make sure it didnt get anymore negativity.

[Warlord]

What negativity does airsoft have on it? A lot of people dot even  know what it is because of its secrecy(hiding in cases and only talking about it on forums etc...). Usually it is all related to paintball if at all from my community.

And honestly the only people who really care that i have noticed are all the pissed off old or rich people. The others I have seen enjoy the fun show of people in camo in a truck(not exposing guns) or are curious why young people are outside and wearing camo, nothing more.

And cops wont randomly shoot someone just because they are legally showing guns and not POINTING them at the cops or anyone else who doesnt want it(other airsofters).

Just what I have noticed.

[xXmusicimpactXx]

What negativity does airsoft have on it? A lot of people dot even  know what it is because of its secrecy(hiding in cases and only talking about it on forums etc...). Usually it is all related to paintball if at all from my community.

And honestly the only people who really care that i have noticed are all the pissed off old or rich people. The others I have seen enjoy the fun show of people in camo in a truck(not exposing guns) or are curious why young people are outside and wearing camo, nothing more.

And cops wont randomly shoot someone just because they are legally showing guns and not POINTING them at the cops or anyone else who doesnt want it(other airsofters).

Just what I have noticed.

Ever heard of California Senate Bill SB 798? Just one prime example of the unfair amount of negative publicity airsoft gets. Where's the good publicity? Why not do a news story on how the entire community came together to host a cherity game for one of its most prominient and appreciated members in his time of need? (Ron)

My point being, if you don't think airsoft gets or has gotten any bad publicity, do some research, and you'll quickly find plenty.

To relate this more on topic, dumb kids walking down the street waving them around like it's nothing can in no way, shape, or form benefit the community in any way. However, kids carrying them cased and using them responsibly is a showcase to the public for the maturity and legitamacy of the sport. Keep that in mind whenever you touch one of your airsoft replicas.

[xTanTricK]

What negativity does airsoft have on it? A lot of people dot even  know what it is because of its secrecy(hiding in cases and only talking about it on forums etc...). Usually it is all related to paintball if at all from my community.

And honestly the only people who really care that i have noticed are all the pissed off old or rich people. The others I have seen enjoy the fun show of people in camo in a truck(not exposing guns) or are curious why young people are outside and wearing camo, nothing more.

And cops wont randomly shoot someone just because they are legally showing guns and not POINTING them at the cops or anyone else who doesnt want it(other airsofters).

Just what I have noticed.

You really need to pay attention more to news regarding airsoft. A few years ago someone ran around well known trails on a mountain near Phoenix and had S.W.A.T called on him and that made the news and a local news station had the entire ordeal on camera as well as an interview after the incident happened. As stated above California Senate Bill 798 is due to negative publicity with airsoft guns and oh by the way they just tried to pass another bill in LA in regards to airsoft. The ATF siezed a shipment of GBB rifles and for months they tested to see if they could be turned into a real firearm which they proved but only after months of trial and error. That doesn't seem to be such positive feedback for the airsoft community.

Most police officers don't just shoot anybody they feel like, although it has happened before. I'm not saying they will randomly shoot some kid walking down the street with an airsoft gun but given the potential threat to the officer not knowing if it's real or not they will always treat it as a real firearm unless they can prove it's not. All the police officer hears on the radio is "A person with a gun" call. They don't hear "A kid walking down the street with an airsoft gun" call. The officer has to treat every situation like it could potentially turn into a very very bad and unpleasant day for both parties. It's just logical sense to carry a firearm or replica in a gunbag or case do to the average citizen not knowing the difference between a replica and a real firearm.

I don't know about most kids these days but when I was a younger kid and taught about gun safety I was always taught to trasnport any kind of gun in a case. Maybe it's just me but I feel like it's the safest thing to do when transporting firearms and replicas unlesss it is being used as a self defense weapon.

[Rogue Fox]

The biggest problem I see with what happened in your story is that the kid was a minor, so he couldnt have legally owned let alone carry] a firearm, so the cops would only have two ways of thinking really, the kid is either carrying a fake or he has bad intentions. Now common sense[ and a little knowlege of firearms] would say that the guns are fake since its highly unlikely the kid got ahold of two firearms, one of them being a SVD. Then again, cops have shot people over alot less.

[headhunter]

Wait, does ECI mean something different in terms of airsoft? Because I cannot imagine how an airsoft Empty Chamber Indicator would work.

i take the barrel and hop-up out of the gun until i get where we are at.

[CaptainMoroni94]

Most police officers don't just shoot anybody they feel like, although it has happened before. I'm not saying they will randomly shoot some kid walking down the street with an airsoft gun but given the potential threat to the officer not knowing if it's real or not they will always treat it as a real firearm unless they can prove it's not. All the police officer hears on the radio is "A person with a gun" call. They don't hear "A kid walking down the street with an airsoft gun" call. The officer has to treat every situation like it could potentially turn into a very very bad and unpleasant day for both parties. It's just logical sense to carry a firearm or replica in a gunbag or case do to the average citizen not knowing the difference between a replica and a real firearm.

My "friend" an officer knew a fellow officer who had a "cleaned" airsoft gun in his trunk in the event that he shot some one who he beleaved was armed and turned out to be un armed... yeah I know that might be 1 police officer who is crooked but where their is one their could be more? (don't bother asking WHO the officer is, as far as my friend has said the proper actions have been taken by his CO) the black trash bag is not a bad idea IDGAF if you look like a complete retard walking 30 seconds down the street! at least the nosy neighbors with the cops on speed dial (every neighborhood has one) wont call the cobs on a kid walking down the street with a trash bag and most guns can remove the stalk to easily fit in to a large back pack (every one has a freaking backpack!) Point is one stupid person can destroy the fun for the rest of us.. Now I am not saying that it is YOU being an idiot but we all know that one friend who is a total idiot..  It takes me 10 seconds to get a gun in to my gun bag, they are not made to look pretty a gun bag is to properly cover a gun. I have spent $0.00 on gun bags but when ever I load my truck to go out all my neighbors see is me in cameo loading the bed of my truck with a bag or two and that is all they will ever see.

[Katana0]

Wait, does ECI mean something different in terms of airsoft? Because I cannot imagine how an airsoft Empty Chamber Indicator would work.

If you run GBB's like me, an ECI could be used on any open bolt system.

And in terms of the negative publicity airsoft gets in the media, that is what sells, so that is what they will show.  You can sit around and watch news stories all day about people getting hurt, arrested, sued, and harassed but among those stories you'll only see one or two about positive local ongoings.  If we really want to get some positive publicity going, we'll either have to let the media outlets know when something that can be in no way considered negative is going on (like the Toys for Tots charity match that Fightertown hosted last year), or attract positive attention in some other way.  Either way, it is a cardinal rule that people fear what they dont understand.  So in order to gain acceptance, we must be understood as a sport and as a community.

Pulling it all back on topic, safe transport of replicas is paramount to keeping tolerance of the sport on the up and up.  If you think about the state we live in and the people that inhabit it, real guns are almost a staple of the culture.  And with that many people in the community familiar with the guidelines that govern the safe use and handling of real firearms, it only makes sense that while we are in the public's eye, we are to treat them like real firearms.  It will make them feel like we respect what we do; it is not just something that we play around with, but a serious sport.

[Fresnel]

What negativity does airsoft have on it? A lot of people dot even  know what it is because of its secrecy(hiding in cases and only talking about it on forums etc...). Usually it is all related to paintball if at all from my community.

And honestly the only people who really care that i have noticed are all the pissed off old or rich people. The others I have seen enjoy the fun show of people in camo in a truck(not exposing guns) or are curious why young people are outside and wearing camo, nothing more.

And cops wont randomly shoot someone just because they are legally showing guns and not POINTING them at the cops or anyone else who doesnt want it(other airsofters).

Just what I have noticed.

Ever heard of California Senate Bill SB 798? Just one prime example of the unfair amount of negative publicity airsoft gets. Where's the good publicity? Why not do a news story on how the entire community came together to host a cherity game for one of its most prominient and appreciated members in his time of need? (Ron)

My point being, if you don't think airsoft gets or has gotten any bad publicity, do some research, and you'll quickly find plenty.

To relate this more on topic, dumb kids walking down the street waving them around like it's nothing can in no way, shape, or form benefit the community in any way. However, kids carrying them cased and using them responsibly is a showcase to the public for the maturity and legitamacy of the sport. Keep that in mind whenever you touch one of your airsoft replicas.

Well, to be perfectly fair, SB798 came about because some hoodrat decided to run from the cops for no reason, and when cornered, drew an airsoft pistol on the cop and was gunned down for it. It didn't even clear his jacket and so no orange tip could have saved him (although in that situation most cops will ignore an orange tip in any case), but this kid was just STUPID. It's one thing to walk down your street with your airsoft gun slung on your shoulder, it's another thing to draw down on an officer who's got his gun pointed at you and is yelling at you to get on the ground. The legislature of California just looks for excuses to ban anything they can, IMHO; in this situation I only feel bad for the cop who was forced to shoot a giant of a teenager with a toy gun and now has to live with that.

[nukeduster]

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=8668872


Kids are stupid. Thats why I never would work with juvenile offenders. They make bad decisions based on a flawed sense of reality and immortality, and there are plenty of 12 year old gang bangers these days with notches on their belts. I saw 18 year old murders who had murdered people as juvies and got sent to the adult facilities to serve out the rest of their terms frequently.

You think just because you are young that that will save you from a cop thinking its a real gun? It makes them even more trigger happy, because they know that the kids often don't know the true weight of their actions and that kids with guns in bad situations pull the trigger more than adults do.

Keep in mind too, there are people out there who take replicas or anything that remotely looks like a gun, including water guns, and converts them into home made single shot weapons. Just because it looks fake, police don't and rightly shouldn't assume it isnt a real weapon.

[Old Dog]

+1 for nukeduster, just simple facts...

[spazz]

search:  airsoft+police+deaths  and you will see plenty of reasons why you should carry your airsoft guns in a case.