Airsoft Arizona
Arizona Game Discussions => Local Games Listing/RSVP => Topic started by: chinole on June 20, 2014, 08:47:35 PM
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Meeting time 0600 at Anthem circle K (off I-17 and Anthem blvd exit south side of road)
Convoy up to AO.
Map: Copper Basin Rd, Prescott, AZ 86303
http://goo.gl/maps/ZnKgh
15 years old with parent on site for the entire game and full mask.
Red rags required!
Please bring water for hydration.
Chrono rules: we will chrono with .25 for AEG and .30 for HPA and gas rifles
a. General FPS limit is <366 (1.55 Joules) GO…there is NO caution range.
b. Sniper FPS limit is <570 (3.8 Joules) GO…there is NO caution range. 100' MED
breakdown of factions:
Greenada: (Green woodland camo /Woodland digital MARPAT / solid green uniform only please)
Tanistani: 3 color tan BDU / Choco chip or DCU, ATACS, solid tan BDU type of uniform)
NO MULTICAM OR ACU. PLEASE WEAR FULL TOP AND BOTTOMS IF POSSIBLE.
Each Faction Needs:
Factions will be made up of squads. 3 or more squads on both factions.
Radio or Radio Operator.
(Each squad will need direct contact with command. Squad comms will have their own channel but must have seperate radio for command.)
Medic
(Medic will have tape to revive players. 1 revive then you must go back to respawn. Medic also has 1 revive but 2 teammates must revive him. If medic is out, players must go back to respawn. Medic can revive other squads and squad members.)
Backstory:
Greenada's transport plane has been lost over Prescottonia. Condition of pilot and highly sensitive cargo is unknown. Greenada has sent in search and recovery team. Tanistan Recon team has also been reported in the area. Prescottonians are not happy with super power conflicts in the country. No cooperation from locals at this time.
Please PM me for questions.
Greenada:
Squad 1
Wolfpack
Wolfpack
Wolfpack
Wolfpack
Wolfpack
Squad 2
Wolfpack
Wolfpack
Wolfpack
Wolfpack
Wolfpack
Squad 3
Headhunter
Silentdragon
Yammie r6s
eggroll 78
Squad 4
Shadow Viper
Shadow Viper
Shadow Viper
Shadow Viper
Shadow Viper
Squad 5
Shadow Viper
Shadow Viper
Shadow Viper
Shadow Viper
Shadow Viper
Tanistan:
Squad 1
Desert Hawks
Desert Hawks
Desert Hawks
Desert Hawks
Desert Hawks
Squad 2
Spazz
Thorper
Izzy
Benji
Katan0
Micro
Nick
Squad 3
Salv5031
Salv5031 1
Salv5031 2
Blackmomba
Headhunter
Headhunter
Mandal
Squad 4
Buell
Buell 1
Buell 2
Buell 3
Squad 5
DDMS
DDMS
DDMS
DDMS
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Why no on MC?
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I'm going to see if I can swing this game as I have a lot going on around that time, but I *love* the copper basin AO, and haven't been there in 2+ years
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Same, but the whole no MC is probably a dealbreaker for my group. Sad
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Reason we decided to keep mc out was several reasons. 1 multicam usually shows up out numbering both green and tan. Which will lead to 3 factions. 2 the confusion with mc, looks green in certain distances or tan in certain distances. 3 mc is, I think a big advantage in camo over the other camo. 4 we kinda wanted to go back to old school camo combat. Green vs tan.
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I'll agree that MC usually unbalances things. Almost everyone who's into airsoft is going to be into real steel, and you're going to get overlap with gear decisions between the two.
The purpose of MC is to blend, hence why it looks green / tan at different ranges; and I realize that this is a game, not real training.
May I politely propose that those who are in MC be divided (but keeping friends grouped together), so that we even things out? We can then assign half to tan and half to green and identify all with tape. We used to do that in the old days; "wear whatever color you want, we will assign colored arm bands, red vs blue", or pick two colors.
For those who are super irritated about colors sticking out, there is also the combination of one team with the common white-ish / tan masking tape, and the one team without. The way we did it, the bands were large enough on your arms and barrel such that it'd be easy to identify that person either way: Obvious bands? He's on the banded team.
Obviously no bands? He's on the non banded team.
I'm in Utah ATM but I'd love to come down for that weekend for this game. The first Prescottonia was and is still my favorite game ever.
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No MC
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Living in Prescott Valley, not formally on any team but I will help spread the word. I've got a new big RPK to deploy.
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You dont have to be on a team to play. If you need a squad to run with, we can assign you with someone.
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Me +1 for woodland.
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See in the old days of AA we used to show up in woodland or dcu. Choco chip was acceptable but it made the game much easier. MC is hard to distinguish. I say if it's a deal breaker to NOT wear MC stay home for this one.
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I'm sure everyone who wear MC have camo of tan or green before they switch to MC. lets be real here.
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I'm betting most of the newer guys started in mc
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Been long enough that I outgrew my green set....at least in girth.
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ill be there, in tan.
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What about atacs FG can we use that one or it will go the same as MC
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Ill be there
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[Removed by Oscar Juliet]
After talking to several of you via Private Message I understand that my points did not come across as intended. I wanted to simply investigate the reason behind not allowing multicam at this event. I wanted to know if this was the norm and explain my reasoning for investigating this. The unit that I am trying to spread awareness about is simply for your information. That it does exist for anyone that is interested. I will keep all of that information and discussion on my own topic. For any of you that would like to talk to me please feel free to private message me.
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Hate to sound this way, but it's their game and they can run it however they like.
On a side note, went to Prescottonia last year and had a blast. It really is worth the investment of $30-40 worth of surplus camouflage. There was a good bit of mix up last year, though. ACU was mixed up for green and Multicam was mistaken for both.
If need be, I've got several extra sets of green and tan camo (size M to XL). If you want to go and need a set, drop me a pm and I'll bring a CLEAN set of BDUs for you to wear at the game.
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I will get some orange road cones and everyone that is unwilling to work with us on dividing the teams will get to wear a cone and what ever camo they want.
I mean Seriously people if you don't like it/ don't want to work with your fellow airsofter stay home and play with your self.
Side note...moose
thank you for your attempt to come up with a solution to the multicam dilemma
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I've got extra green and tan in xl if anyone is needing it to borrow.
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[Removed by Oscar Juliet]
After talking to several of you via Private Message I understand that my points did not come across as intended. I wanted to simply investigate the reason behind not allowing multicam at this event. I wanted to know if this was the norm and explain my reasoning for investigating this. The unit that I am trying to spread awareness about is simply for your information. That it does exist for anyone that is interested. I will keep all of that information and discussion on my own topic. For any of you that would like to talk to me please feel free to private message me.
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How many people are scheduled to go to this event? I'm willing to play for tan + 1 if there will be a good turnout. Prescott is quite the drive for me.
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+1 for tan
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Yeah I was going to add that. It is their game they can choose what they want but it is still a lazy way of not dealing with something. Heck I'd wear pink tape arm bands on both my arms to identify what team I was on. Seems like that would be an easy solution to people who wear different camo. Each team marked with a color. Nothing for me to worry about though. Right now I'm just getting an idea of what games are out there because our plans are to get USJTF rolling out there.
I used to play at Mr. Paintball in Escondido CA. And let me tell you- it was a consistent clusterfuck.
They allowed all types of camo at the weekend games. Then they divided up the teams into two groups. One mostly tan. One mostly green. But more often then not there were groups of friends on the same team who refused to be split up and as a result there was tan and greens in the same team.
Then they put blue or green or yellow tape on the arms.
Problem is though --
sometimes all you see is a leg. Or an ass. Or a back. Or turned sideways just right.... Sneaking through the bushes (like Prescott's terrain) it's hard to differentiate. So I usually just shoot and then ask questions later.
Friendly fire is a bitch.
Not to mention some of us like to spend $$dollars$$ on our sweet setup and try to be as stealthy as possible. Nothing like a big yellow or green or blue piece of tape to let others know where you're hiding. Yay. Turd in the punchbowl...
So think of this as milsim. You're probably looking to attend an airsoft match. Or game or whatever. The ones where goobers run around with dragon guns and pulse rifles and yell pew pew pew and don't have a radio or know anything about tactics or team cohesion.
Those games are hosted weekly at vanguard and fighter town. Nothing wrong with them but again- this is a milsim game.
But then again I've only been playing for over 15 years and what do I know?!
I've watched a great sport that was once highly regarded as an honorable persons game where people were very polite and followed the rules, called all hits even if it was questionable and regarded safety with priority into a game inundated with cheaters, whiny players and just all out disrespect for safety.
So green or tan. Save the MC or ATACS for the park skirmishes. I'm sure it wouldn't kill anyone to have one more set of BDU. I have 6 different sets.
So I think this is anything BUT lazy. It's much more work to petition people for uniformity.
In closing - The whale
That is why.
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What about atacs FG can we use that one or it will go the same as MC
ATACS FG falls under green. Just don't be suprised if a woodland/ W MARPAT guy shoots you :P
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I should be there for either tan or green. I don't know but I have Choco chip BDU's with an OD vest. Unless I can manage to get some woodland stuff or a new vest I'm not sure if I can play or not.
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What about atacs FG can we use that one or it will go the same as MC
ATACS FG falls under green. Just don't be suprised if a woodland/ W MARPAT guy shoots you :P
Thats a good point in my book. same/similar camo forces the issues of cooperation. Know who is on your team.
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Gear color does not matter. The only thing that matters in regards to color is your BDU's. Woodland and Marpat with tan gear is OK. DCU, Tan, Choco Chip with green gear is OK.
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Is it hard for people to understand that the game has to be green vs tan is so simple to understand that damn just take green ifytou are in green team and tan if you are in tan team. They say no MC because it has the look of green and tan. Damn just take tan or green simple as that or just stay home.
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Is it hard for people to understand that the game has to be green vs tan is so simple to understand that damn just take green ifytou are in green team and tan if you are in tan team. They say no MC because it has the look of green and tan. Damn just take tan or green simple as that or just stay home.
Apparently its hard for people to understand that there are shades to multicam. Some heavily lean towards green and some lean towards tan.
But the argument that it has 'advantages over the traditional green/tan camo' is by far the best argument against it.
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It's not that hard to understand. No multicam means No multicam. End of discussion. We ran Battle of Prescottonia with multicam allowed and multicam outnumbered both Green and Tan teams combined. It didn't work out well so we chose not to include it this year. If you don't like it then PM one of us and we can discuss it with you instead of clogging up this thread.
**Again, the only color that matters is the color of you BDU's not your plate carriers or battle belts. You can wear tan camo with green gear, it is OK. You can wear green camo with tan gear, it is OK.**
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For all those that think the whole color thing is a problem then you must have not played in much areas like Prescott. It's really hard to figure out what color team the other guys are in before shooting them but they might be thinking different and just shoot you as they see you. Friendly fire is a death.
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Any restrictions on magazines? I know you guys like your milsim with midcap mags only, but I didn't see anything in the OP about it.
I don't own anything multicam, so before some other retard asks it: Can we wear multicam gear with our green/tan uniform, even though you said no multicam period? :)
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Any restrictions on magazines? I know you guys like your milsim with midcap mags only, but I didn't see anything in the OP about it.
I don't own anything multicam, so before some other retard asks it: Can we wear multicam gear with our green/tan uniform, even though you said no multicam period? :)
Midcaps are recommended but are not mandatory. If you have them use them. If you dont its fine, but please limit your full auto. Especially if you are not a support gunner.
If you have multicam gear, hit me up and let me know. Not going to be too strict on the gear. Again we would rather have no MC at all. But the uniform is more important.
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It's not that hard to understand. No multicam means No multicam. End of discussion. We ran Battle of Prescottonia with multicam allowed and multicam outnumbered both Green and Tan teams combined. It didn't work out well so we chose not to include it this year. If you don't like it then PM one of us and we can discuss it with you instead of clogging up this thread.
**Again, the only color that matters is the color of you BDU's not your plate carriers or battle belts. You can wear tan camo with green gear, it is OK. You can wear green camo with tan gear, it is OK.**
Yes, please no more MC conversations. Questions are okay but stay home if you dont want to follow the rules. Our team runs multicam for our uniforms. But on this event we are not running MC so that we can play the role of civilians. This event is being runned for you airsofters. We would love to get in on the battle but we are sacrificing that to give you a good time. So please, help us by either joining the fight or stay home but leave this thread alone.
Roster will be updated soon.
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[Removed by Oscar Juliet]
After talking to several of you via Private Message I understand that my points did not come across as intended. I wanted to simply investigate the reason behind not allowing multicam at this event. I wanted to know if this was the norm and explain my reasoning for investigating this. The unit that I am trying to spread awareness about is simply for your information. That it does exist for anyone that is interested. I receive nothing for anyone who joins or decides it is something for them. I will keep all of that information and discussion on my own topic. For any of you that would like to talk to me please feel free to private message me.
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So my question to all of you is anyone here willing to have a civil discussion about this or future games? I am new to the area and have been trying to get a feel for what the airsoft community is like. Where I'm from it is a very popular hobby and the even hosts are extremely respectful and open to discussion. I understand if you do not want this on an open forum but I would like to know if the OP or the person who said PM one of us should be the person contacted.
As a direct response to Ivan you must have me figured out already with the attitude in your post. I won't even waste my time with a person like you. Our unit USJTF is something I'm guessing no one in Arizona knows about since we do not have a unit in that state. If you wish to educate yourself http://usjtf1.wix.com/recruiting is our page. We are world wide organization with a LOT of members. We unite units from all over the world under one name for the sake of having quality players who respect each other and can have a good time. To my knowledge all of our command staff is former military. Any unit already in operation can join us and fall in under us. There is little that has to be done to call yourself one of our members but you are expected to be the quality player that people want to play with. Not the cheater that makes life terrible for others.
The reason for my questions is because our uniform is Multicam. It has been Multicam before it became popular. It is a requirement to wear that uniform. Multicam is a great choice for the type of environment and would be a reason to want it. If that camo outnumbered the others who were present at the event wouldn't it be wise to let people sign up for it but have a backup plan in case you can't allow it due to confusion? To write it off without discussion is the issue I'm having. I can understand it would be too late for this event to make any big changes but just look at the one group that has 1000s of members under its name that you would write off due to not allowing it.
Now my gear is Tan, it is just the uniform that is multicam. The multicam uniform is the only requirement. It wouldn't take much for me to toss the uniform aside and throw on something tan or green underneath. This post was written to be information to explain my point of view. If you want to continue to shut me down and not discuss anything further via PM or here I won't make another comment. Don't need to waste my time with it. Make sure you do take the time to read what I'm saying. The attitude of take it or leave it isn't very sporting.
PM'd.
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Getting of from MC problems.
Add me + 2 for tan.
And ill see you all there.
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I may be bringing +2 But one needs a gun if anyone has anything extra he can use. They'll probably be both for green
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Few of us should be there for green
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As a direct response to Ivan you must have me figured out already with the attitude in your post. I won't even waste my time with a person like you. Our unit USJTF is something I'm guessing no one in Arizona knows about since we do not have a unit in that state. If you wish to educate yourself http://usjtf1.wix.com/recruiting is our page. We are world wide organization with a LOT of members. We unite units from all over the world under one name for the sake of having quality players who respect each other and can have a good time. To my knowledge all of our command staff is former military. Any unit already in operation can join us and fall in under us. There is little that has to be done to call yourself one of our members but you are expected to be the quality player that people want to play with. Not the cheater that makes life terrible for others.
That's right. I do know you already. I've been in this sport since you were 4. And I've seen em come and go that were just like you. Can't take no for an answer. Probably has a closet full of participation trophies. Using this game thread for recruiting new teammates. Yep. We've seen your type and have you figured out. I just can't wait to have the pleasure of Meeting you on the playing field where I will possibly shoot you in the taint. Multiple times.
Yes. I'm being an asshole now.
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BRAVO Ivan :)
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I may be bringing +2 But one needs a gun if anyone has anything extra he can use. They'll probably be both for green
I can bring some short m4's. Does he have anything to carry mags?
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I may be bringing +2 But one needs a gun if anyone has anything extra he can use. They'll probably be both for green
I can bring some short m4's. Does he have anything to carry mags?
I've got a vest and bb's for him.
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I'm in for Green (woodland)
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A) Ivan, be nice.
B) Oscar Juliet, most the senior members on here probably feel the same way as Ivan. You join the forum and immediately start pimping your team. Nobody like that. So, this is your official warning. Stop.
C) I have a hard time taking anything with wix.com in the address serious.
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Will do XM
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Old guy, from an old team, here. I know this is not a discussion on camo, I think the thread owner, all of W1A, and XM, most of whom know me, will allow me, as a 21 year veteran of the United States Army to say one thing.
Although, I do find it flattering that people want to look the part as soldiers, SEALs, airmen, and Marines, many men and women like me disagree, and find it insulting. Also, for the most part and with a few exceptions, most look like crap. Faded, dilapidated, and unserviceable. I saw a kid at a 6CA game with MC trousers bellow his butt cheeks. Made me ill. With that common people, who love this country, may see you and think you are a service member. Its no different than putting on a police uniform and walking into Circle K. Current US government camos, AOR1, AOR2, Multicam, ABU, and UAC should be left to the service members they are intended for.
With all that rant, I'm bringing some Hawks out of Tucson. Its been real dead down here since LC. Desert DPM, of course (with a little A-TACS AU, and coyote, no green no MC).
7-11-14:
+4
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I cross posted for you on TAC
http://tucsonairsoftcoalition.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4207&p=34723#p34723
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Old guy, from an old team, here. I know this is not a discussion on camo, I think the thread owner, all of W1A, and XM, most of whom know me, will allow me, as a 21 year veteran of the United States Army to say one thing.
Although, I do find it flattering that people want to look the part as soldiers, SEALs, airmen, and Marines, many men and women like me disagree, and find it insulting. Also, for the most part and with a few exceptions, most look like crap. Faded, dilapidated, and unserviceable. I saw a kid at a 6CA game with MC trousers bellow his butt cheeks. Made me ill. With that common people, who love this country, may see you and think you are a service member. Its no different than putting on a police uniform and walking into Circle K. Current US government camos, AOR1, AOR2, Multicam, ABU, and UAC should be left to the service members they are intended for.
With all that rant, I'm bringing some Hawks out of Tucson. Its been real dead down here since LC. Desert DPM, of course (with a little A-TACS AU, and coyote, no green no MC).
7-11-14:
+4
First I read that as 7-11-14=+4, and I blew a brain fuse.
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Lol. As of 7/11/14, there are 5 of us confirmed to attend. There could be up to 20 of us, but I doubt that.
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ROSTER UPDATED ON ORIGINAL POST 7-13-14
TAN 15+/-
GREEN 25+/-
REMEMBER EACH SQUAD WILL HAVE A MANDATORY RADIO MAN AND MEDIC
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I live near Prescott already and am thinking of going. How close to the marker on the posted map is the AO? And is it right of the road and easy to find? I ask because I wouldn't be part of the convoy, just able to meet out there separately. Could possibly bring up to 4 others with me as well.
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I'll be there... gween. .
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We will have bbs at the A.O. for sale .25 and .28...
if you forget yours it won't ruin your day.
Also need more tan to help keep everything more even
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Roster updated 7-15-14
Also, do not wear odd color tshirts. We will have civilians on field. If you want to wear a tshirt, tan and green only. Tan for tan team and green for green team.
If you have any questions about you squad, pm me. Squad leaders, please pick your medic and radio man. SL can have the radio on person. Medic has to be another member. Radio must be on at all times to have comms with staff.
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I'll be there for Tan.
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Just wandering why HPAs get to shoot hotter than AEGs.
Chrono rules: we will chrono with .25 for AEG and .30 for HPA and gas rifles
a. General FPS limit is <366 (1.55 Joules) GO…there is NO caution range.
b. Sniper FPS limit is <570 (3.8 Joules) GO…there is NO caution range. 100' MED
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Just wandering why HPAs get to shoot hotter than AEGs.
Chrono rules: we will chrono with .25 for AEG and .30 for HPA and gas rifles
a. General FPS limit is <366 (1.55 Joules) GO…there is NO caution range.
b. Sniper FPS limit is <570 (3.8 Joules) GO…there is NO caution range. 100' MED
You probably don't realize the limit is actually 1.55j for full auto guns witch is about 366 with a .25. And the limit for sniper rifles is 3.8j witch is about 570 with a 25
So to keep joule creep to a minimum we will use 30's for gas and hpa (to keep people from crying about "hot" guns)
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In for tan
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You probably don't realize the limit is actually 1.55j for full auto guns witch is about 366 with a .25. And the limit for sniper rifles is 3.8j witch is about 570 with a 25
So to keep joule creep to a minimum we will use 30's for gas and hpa (to keep people from crying about "hot" guns)
So gas guns will need to chrono at less than 336 fps to make 1.55j? Because .3's at 366 is the same as .25's at 400 at over 1.8 joules.
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Automatic weapons will chrono at or below 1.55j.
"Sniper" rifles will chrono at or below 3.8j
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Cool.
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so........... is that a yes on multicam? because i only have multicam stuff like socks underwear shoelaces. i was told that we get to where orange cones on head for multicam radicals please go on full detail on that
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I'll be there +1 woodland
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Are you guys supplying tape? If not what color do we need
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Yeah we are they are going to be caution tape yellow ones
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Sure wish people could read the rules plain and simple.
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Myself +3 for Tan
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Are you guys supplying tape? If not what color do we need
I believe green outnumber tan at the moment so if you want to then go on tan with tan camo.
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Roster Updated 7-21-14
If you do not like the squad set up. Please hit me up. Would like to keep everyone together during the game.
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What is the cost how long is the game
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Game is free and usually lasts till 2 or 3.
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+3 for tan DDMS
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I'm sorry to say that I'll be pulling myself and my guest out of the roster. My car will not cooperate no matter how much money I throw at the &)*#@!$%*&*)*@$ THING! Hope this Prescottia is even better than the last and that I'll make it next year.
Seriously, though, go to this fucking game. It's awesome as fuck. Sniper duels in the woods, fire from thickets, the uneven terrain, and the great plot will make it a game you will unlikely be able to recreate in Arizona.
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UPDATED 7-24-14
REMEMBER THE RULES. BRING FOOD AND WATER.
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so my 2 +1's have pulled themselves out and I'll be playing for green
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game goes on rain or shine right?
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Never stopped us before
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I live in prescott valley how would I find the spot on copper basin?
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Cant find the field
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Thanks to all who came out! Hopefully you guys had a good time and hopefully we will see you all at the next one! W1A sure had fun messing with you guys!
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Yup good to see u guys today had some fun radio comms on the fritz but a fun day
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Found the field. I had a good time.
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Want to see the footage.
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Here is a footage part 1
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http://youtu.be/2F8QunyhYLw
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Part 2
http://youtu.be/gIYAiBRTmKw