Polarstar Ban?

[Drmalan]

So a guy in Cali sold me his P* rig dirt cheap saying they are being banned at major parks in calif
Found this post on pstartalk

Please note: I'm on my phone, so please excuse my grammar and spelling errors.
So I live in southern California and I love to airsoft. For the summer I had planned in purchasing a pass and going to hollywood sports, where i play, almost everyday I could.
So on saturday I made the drive out with some friends and had my polarstar all ready to go and I was extremely excited to play. (complete external changes) when we are signing in and paying I ask for all day air and the cashier points to a sign. " The use of polarstar guns is prohibited." My heart sank. What good is spending hundreds maybe thousands ($1000+ in my case) for a perfect gun, that very likely is the future of airsoft, when you can't use them?
Jim, hsp manager (great guy), said that giant airsoft would be meeting with polarstar that weekend and discussing protocols but I don't see any progress so far. I know I'm being impatient but I just want to airsoft! Ya so just wanted to throw that out there, maybe someone important could see it and help out the situation! Thanks for reading my ramblings!

[Mooncruiser]

As long as it chronos at the field's limits, what's the problem?

[Fresnel]

As long as it chronos at the field's limits, what's the problem?

The problem is that jackass players chrono their P*'s with one nozzle and then switch to a higher-FPS nozzle before they hit the field, and obviously this is the gun's fault and not the player's. I have a califriend who's ripshit pissed about this because he just sold his entire airsoft collection to buy a P*, got it working smooth, and then they banned P*'s from every field in LA.

[nukeduster]

As long as it chronos at the field's limits, what's the problem?

The problem is that jackass players chrono their P*'s with one nozzle and then switch to a higher-FPS nozzle before they hit the field, and obviously this is the gun's fault and not the player's. I have a califriend who's ripshit pissed about this because he just sold his entire airsoft collection to buy a P*, got it working smooth, and then they banned P*'s from every field in LA.

AEG's of various brands are just as easy to change the springs on as pstars are to change nozzles, the logic doesnt make any sense.

They even have adjustable cylinder heads that change the fps by just putting a tool down the barrel and changing fps with the flick of a wrist.

Dishonest players will always find a way to cheat, this makes no sense and Ill be fighting this line of thought about polarstars anywhere I find it.

edit: I let the guys at polarstar know about this, at least about Tac City Airsoft. If you guys know of any other specific fields that banned them let me or them know, might at least let the manufacturer have a fair fight defending their product from ignorant field organizers.

[davidneitzelt]

Its all about honesty, sadly cali is the most fucked up state in the u.s. but that's besides the point. Tournament locks and fcu locks are a must. Fcu locks are important because I can turn one setting down to the proper Fps, then while still having the same nozzle in change the setting on the fcu to raise the Fps, even though you can properly raise only 70-90 Fps this way its still cheating.

[Mooncruiser]

I will never understand why people feel the need to cheat when there's nothing to gain from it.. This ain't NASCAR y'know.

[koadrewko]

A chrono with an fps limiter would be perfect. Makes a different noise if it goes over an fps.
This would shorten the time of chronoing, and make less of an effort on the Ref having to watch each persons fps, but to watch them and make sure they chrono all of there guns on their person.

Of course cheaters will always be cheaters.

[davidneitzelt]

Chrono making a noise sounds pointless in the fact settings can be changed in a matter of seconds, banning this fusion engine is a terrible idea, having locks that the location supplies is a better, safer and overall cheaper idea.

I have two fusion engines, and ill be damned if fields ban them.

[SLINKEY]

its all about psi.. Any one can chrono 390 with a red nozzle at 50 psi, and just crank the psi to 120 to hit 650 or what ever..
 reminds me of what happened 8 years ago with "classic guns" that also got banned from major events because of shit heads that cheat the fps limits

i dont under stand how you guys didnt see this coming?

its allready happened with sun project, and Daytona gun..

[Shadow]

Two issues they are trying to address by banning:

1) Nozzle Switching.  It's not a "push a button and switch" process like some tend to think it is.  It requires separating the upper from the lower receiver, unscrewing three screws in the front of the gearbox with two different wrenches/screwdrivers, making the swap and putting it all back together again.  Solution?  Void tape.  Put it right where the upper meets the lower and your problem is solved.  You CANNOT switch a nozzle without separating the two.

2) Over-Voluming a barrel via the FCU.  This is currently based on a theory; that someone can tell the FCU to send higher amounts of air through the barrel, and that their FPS remains the same with two different BB weights.  This theory is actually in the process of being tested by Angus over at the P* forums and has thus far been debunked.

[Shadow]

its all about psi.. Any one can chrono 390 with a red nozzle at 50 psi, and just crank the psi to 120 to hit 650 or what ever..
 reminds me of what happened 8 years ago with "classic guns" that also got banned from major events because of shit heads that cheat the fps limits

That can be fixed by putting void tape on the regulator too.

In regards to over-volumizing to get more energy, take a look at these numbers:

Silver nozzle at 90psi on prowin W-Hold, H-Nub, orga 260mm

370 .20 at 10 dp 1.26j
293 .40 at 10 dp 1.6j

370 .20 at 30 dp 1.27j
294 .40 at 30 dp 1.58j

370 .20 at 50 dp 1.27j
290 .40 at 50 dp 1.59j

ORGA 363 flat prowin silver 90 PSI

.20 @ 10dp is 400fps 1.49J
.40 @ 10dp is 326fps 1.71J

.20 @ 30dp is 402fps 1.49J
.40 @ 30dp is 322fps 1.92J

.20 @ 50dp is 403fps 1.51J
.40 @ 50dp is 322fps 1.92J

You see that even over-volumizing the barrel, the joule rating does not change.  The amount of energy a BB puts out is 100% based on velocity and mass.  It doesn't matter how much air you put behind it, and it would seem that Angus' test results prove that.  I'll probably be updating this post as more testing results are published, so watch for it if you are interested.

Arenas and fields need to be educated a little bit on the physics and how P*s actually work before they start throwing out blanket bans.

[bailey5671]

I dont see how this is the future of airsoft when it uses old paintball technology, honestly P* are so overpriced its not even funny. I can see why some people would complain about banning them but for FPS reasons it doesnt make sense considering you could change the fps of an aeg just as fast depending on the gun, I for one hate the whole air tank on my back thing, its just a turn off for me for the realism factor of the game. Do I think they should be banned? no, not really. But being on the recieving end of these guns I can tell you the give a big advantage in terms of number of rounds going downrange.

[Mooncruiser]

Question, is void tape the same as "evidence tape", the thin, tamper proof tape used on drug screens?

[Rogue Fox]

I dont see how this is the future of airsoft when it uses old paintball technology, honestly P* are so overpriced its not even funny. I can see why some people would complain about banning them but for FPS reasons it doesnt make sense considering you could change the fps of an aeg just as fast depending on the gun, I for one hate the whole air tank on my back thing, its just a turn off for me for the realism factor of the game. Do I think they should be banned? no, not really. But being on the recieving end of these guns I can tell you the give a big advantage in terms of number of rounds going downrange.

I have to agree with you there, the whole concept is nothing new. They have classic airsoft guns for a reason. All P* did was make a few changes and throw in some electronics. If you read some articles on classicairsoft.net[if memory serves thats the site] youll see plenty of guys that were getting 300ft kills years before polarstar came out.

[davidneitzelt]

I agree with Slinkey, its old technology, yes but would there a change in volume/fps based on barrel length, if I turned my dp up on a 520mm barrel up to 30, would it have a larger Fps change?

Ill ask kurtis at Amped and see if this will change, based on physics,  wouldnt a dp setting help with dmr set ups? Not letting the bb slow down before it exits? Say at a lower psi?(90)

Good info shadow

Edit* what about a 650mm barrel at 10dp chrono'd then increase the dp and retest