the brain washing has started at a very young age if a 13 year old can even think he / she understands all the political and moral implications of what this or any war is about when the adults alive for 50 years can not always grasp what is going on and why.

maybe we should not have been in ww2 right. that generation grew up facing a depression, no gas, no cars, food rations, black outs, restrictions on travel...........what have you given up in the last four years?

except for the vets and the current troops ad their beloved familes, no one in the "real world" has given up a single thing, nothing, higher gas prices, not really, no tv nope, food shortages, no information blackout, I wish, the media is the enemy's biggest spy and supporter

kids, they blow up so easy, and our future leaders to boot. I am scared, now I understand all the stuff my grandfather said about living in the 30's and 40's and he was right to fear the new younger SOFTER generations.

m16-m4 and 223 are great for dogs and cats

for making people dead and taking them off their feet right now with one shot,  M14---308   socom- scout m14 event the new improved bullpup m14

even a sub gun for close up work with the 45 cal. round
why not use the ruger mini 14 way less expensive, more reliable , easy to take apart, comes in a folder stock, can be made full and semi auto....1 colt gets you 5 rugers

damn politicians, give them a gun and send them to war, let them find out first hand.

9mm and 223 are the throw back to a softer more gentle type of war where we wounded combatants and hope that will demoralize and slow enemy progress but the new enemy know two things

they want to kill all americans and they are willing to kill them self to do it, help them with a 308 to the skull

ask a vietnam vet,

use a round best useed for small game at medium range 100-200 yards or a round made to kill anything at 100-2000 yards with the right trigger puller (Marine or army)

personally i think it is a great idea, keeps them from coming out to our games.

I hope (names withheld)  can pull it off. What I saw of them in action was sub par, but they know how to camp out and drink. Nice gear though, I guess

but that said maybe what we should do is copy the idea, we need 6-7 more spots just like that where the elite can gather and tell them selves how cool they are and how lame the rest of Arizona Airsofters are.

I am over 21, own my own business, have the cash $300, $500, $3000 whatever and  still would not give it to them for CHITE.

The cash would be better spent on my kid's education, fix my roof, repaint one of my cars a new color, burn it on top of a pile of dog poop

After 4 years serving my country (in the infantry 0351, not a ranger cook, or combat clerk) and now finding a hooby where I can exercise my need to shoot people with out the dead part, it would have been nice to get away from the A$$es in the world, but alas I see that even in the sport of airsoft there is always 1 or 2 or 5 or enough not to care to count!

I wish them the best of luck and truly hope they sign up several hundred people to join.

1. stock g3  no mods $270
2. tm mc51 green furniture, painted, power piston, shimmed $250.00
3. converted mc51 to G3 SD front end from classic army, fps around 340-350? great gun slither stock $350 lots of work and parts havegone into this gun

pm me offers, guns are in Tucson

I also have some tropentarn gear that I wil be letting go of, teo shirts (med reg german issue) chest rig for 6 large mags, recon pack 35 lt.s tow pair of trop. trousers, auxiliary side puoches for large pack (side pouches) zippered togetrh makes a nice back pack.

tucson, any airsofters left there?

sorry to correct but sasco is at the red rock exit.  just south about 5 miles past picacho peak park, dairy queen.... coming from the north or about 15-20 minutes north of the outskirts of tucson

PLEASE TO EVERY ONE I DON'T MIND THE CRITIQUE! it is the only way to know want every one wants. I had several ops planned, but without more Tucson support those plans went bad fast.


I don't take anything anyone says as a slam.

I have helped plan and run real MIL exercises with real grunts while in the S3 office of 2/7 1st Mar Div, those had to be run time and time again. It is called training for a reason.  I just didn't want to treat you all like boot recruits giving orders and demands or commands as to how you want to fight your own war.

What can people expect, some of us have never talked to each other, never trained with each, never express what they would like to see on the battle field ........and then everthing is supposed to work with stop watch  precision the very first time? Please.

I was there this morning, in and out and played acouple games, the last one accross the river run was still the best and we had the most fun, oh that was a pick up game we all put together together on the spot, no one complained, ask Spaz if you went home early how it went.

pictures are cool though.

As to the game comment, I did not say AIRSOFT GAMES I said COMBAT OR COMBAT TRAINING, I will still take the hit for not prepping each and every person down to the last detail next time we can overwhelm you with a ton of  intel before the next game so you can make a better decision as to ever come down  or not again.

Still thanks to everyone that spent money for gas to come down .

sorry for the confusion, my bad.

I guess next time I can take over, be a head dick, tell everyone how and where and when , oh boy that sounds like fun already.

Let me know when you set up your own game, I will come to play at yours and see how you run it. I have room to learn more but I remeber very few playeres putting in ideas BEFORE the op, but after the fact it is very easy to BIATCH isn't it?
In fact reading back through the posts only one person sent in an idea and he did not even show up.

I guess I can run a more organized scripted game down to time lines , regs, rules, no room for changes, or other peoples good ideas , if your late for the opening brief you don't play type hard nose stuff, just like a real MIL. op, or if your out numberd two to one who cares , you adapt and overcome, it is a war simulation, when do you ever go to battle with the best of conditions,  YOU HAVE NO SAY LIKE IT OR NOT, if you ever served you know what I am taling about, 90% sit 10% action , unless you in country right now in Iraq, it was still better than staying home wishing there was game to attend some where by some one.


To ALL YOU BAD ASS MO FOS THAT CAME DOWN TO HAVE FUN, A BIG THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY MAG WELL! YOU GUYS KNOW WHO YOU ARE, YOUR THE REAL DEAL AMOUNG A FEW TWISTED PANTY KNOTS.