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Airsoft Hardware => AEG's => Topic started by: Jon86 on November 28, 2004, 09:06:27 PM

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Post by: Jon86 on November 28, 2004, 09:06:27 PM: I've never owned an ICS m4, but I have a TM SR-16 (m4 RIS w/ fixed stock) and its super reliable as all TM guns are.
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Post by: -Wraith- on November 28, 2004, 09:12:47 PM: Thanks :) Now I just need some feedback on ICS = /
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Post by: delta_echo on November 28, 2004, 09:24:06 PM: If you're new to the sport get a Marui! Its far better to be outgunned (not that you will - alot of people have stock weapons) than to have something that might quit on you in the middle of a firefight(and you not know how to fix it!). Upgrades can always come down the road!
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Post by: IcePlatinumSky on November 28, 2004, 09:24:48 PM: Tm guns are very reliable and have nice gear boxes. I have heard conflicting reports on ICS M4 AEG's. They however, do have that special feature that un-jambs the gun. Many also find the gun to be ugly. The ICS is easy to upgrade the spring. But I have heard that they tend to break much more easily. If you want an all metal gun Classic Army is ok but I would chose to have a TM. I have a Commando that is my new project gun that I am going to put rail and metal body on.
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Post by: Jon86 on November 28, 2004, 09:31:14 PM: There is nothing wrong with having a stock gun. Dont feel the need to "match up" to the guys with 450 fps guns. you dont need all that power. I would go with a TM.
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Post by: Crash Bandicoot on November 29, 2004, 06:39:31 PM: I use the ICS M4 and I can say it is the easiest to work on and has more fps out of the box than the TM, you can decompress the spring by using the forward assist, and it takes down close to the real thing, and is very dependable. At op cold burn I had the misfortune of having a bb break and jam in my barrel. I decompressed the spring walked over to the jungle toy reps and borrowed a cleaning rod, opened the gun, unjamed the barrel and was back in the game under 10 minuets. Also the ICS has an all metal body as some TM's are plastic. Every one has there preference but I would choose ICS any day. ( My ICS judgment is based on an standard out of the box gun, and I dont know how they react upgraded.)
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Post by: RickEJ6 on November 29, 2004, 06:56:18 PM: The only M4 variant I have ever used in a game is my RM SR16, but in that it has been awesome. I havent had anything go wrong with it at all other than a loose battery connection (my fault, not TMs). One thing to remember is that just because it has a metal body doesnt mean it is indestructable. At OP: Sandstorm this year Woody (I believe) broke the metal body on his ICS M4. And upgrades dont matter as much as you might think. I have played the last 4 games with my worn out SR shooting 210-220 fps and I havent had a problem racking up the kills. Its more in the user. Rick
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Post by: SHIFTY1944 on November 29, 2004, 08:50:51 PM: Ive owned a ICS M4 for about a year now.It shot hot outta the box and is a breeze to upgrade.I added a few uprades and it shoots close to 400FPS...without a tight bore barrel.It has a all metal body and is SO easy to work on.It is a true airsoft gamer gun.You won't regret buying one.
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Post by: Jon86 on November 29, 2004, 08:59:50 PM: Go with a TM. It not how good your gun is, it's how good YOU are. I've played people with 400 fps guns and hit them plenty of times. It's not the gun its the player.
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Post by: mobiusbang on November 29, 2004, 11:59:51 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by delta_echo
 If you're new to the sport get a Marui! Its far better to be outgunned (not that you will - alot of people have stock weapons) than to have something that might quit on you in the middle of a firefight(and you not know how to fix it!). Upgrades can always come down the road!
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I have had a few firefights where my aeg stopped working for no reason...know you gun inside and out, it will save you money on repair(if you dont break it exploring)time, and curse words. I dont have a full metal body and my aeg is running great, alought full metal body would make her purdier :-)
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Post by: NWABrutus on November 30, 2004, 02:00:47 PM: I would say marui because my friend has an ics and it breaks all the time and i own a marui and the thing is flawless
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Post by: SHIFTY1944 on November 30, 2004, 04:32:44 PM: Thats because you guys don't know how to take care of your gear.Theres something about a minor and airsoft guns...they always mysteriously break their guns and then say this brand sucks and don't buy one.
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Post by: Crash Bandicoot on November 30, 2004, 05:09:18 PM: I still say its all based on personal preference. If you like TM thats cool. My TM Sig 552 is an awsome CQB gun. I like my ICS because it has the metal body and the way the gun takes down. There are some bad brands out there like Academy.
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Post by: Jon86 on November 30, 2004, 05:19:39 PM: Actually I do know how do work on guns. I had an AE mp5 and it kept breaking. They I got an SR and its flawless. I don't care about a metal body and a 400fps spring. I like my gun how it is.
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Post by: Dust2Dust on November 30, 2004, 05:47:23 PM: I will never get a Tokyo Marui again. There are many companies out there now, and ICS, CA, G&G, G&P, ect.. all have metal bodies (except the CA G36 which is Graphite?). The reliablity of TM is nice, but the plastic bodies are not my cup o' tea. Metal is nice because if you drop them, oh well, it's metal. You drop a plastic gun, you have a good chance it's cracked (I cracked My VN body when the front strap pin snapped because the metal they use is not very good). I'd go with the ICS. If anything happens, you can just put in new internals, which you would be doing anyway with the TM.
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Post by: Jon86 on November 30, 2004, 06:42:13 PM: I would get a TM, dont worry about metal body, if your worried about dropping your gun, there is this really cool thing called a SLING.
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Post by: Long Trang on November 30, 2004, 07:10:44 PM: From what i have found TM guns are pretty easy to open up and make minor repairs on, ICS i have no experience with but they do seem to be pretty user friendly from what i have read and heard. If your going to keep the gun the way it is and drop the idea of instaling upgrades then it all comes down to looks, both brands have some differences that you might not like. But in stock form your rifles longevity is alot higher then after you install upgrades unless you replaces nearly EVERYTHING.
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Post by: Firehead on November 30, 2004, 08:51:44 PM: Honestly, if its your first gun, get a Marui. They are reliable, and good gun, even when they are stock. When you get more experience, then you might want to invest in something like an ICS gun. I'm just basically saying the same thing everyone else is. Go with a marui...
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Post by: Greg on December 01, 2004, 12:41:57 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dust2Dust
 I will never get a Tokyo Marui again. There are many companies out there now, and ICS, CA, G&G, G&P, ect.. all have metal bodies (except the CA G36 which is Graphite?). The reliablity of TM is nice, but the plastic bodies are not my cup o' tea. Metal is nice because if you drop them, oh well, it's metal. You drop a plastic gun, you have a good chance it's cracked (I cracked My VN body when the front strap pin snapped because the metal they use is not very good). I'd go with the ICS. If anything happens, you can just put in new internals, which you would be doing anyway with the TM.

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Hmm.. I've never heard of a metal body breaking! [:P]

But seriously: both guns are good and will serve you well. If you want to upgrade at all, the ics is a great way to do it. Swapping the spring is much faster and easier than on any other gun. The only thing that I would say you need to beware of on the ics is breaking the tappet plate. Just buy a spare one and have it with you. Even if you don't know how/want to open the gun up yourself, chances are that someone at an AA game will be able to do it for you without messing it up. I changed one for my dad all while Curtis did his pre-game briefing. [;)]

Just get whichever one you like more. Remember the most important rule regarding airsoft maintenance:

<center>IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT!!!!!!!!!!</center>

Don't ever take your gun apart more than you need to, unless you really know what your are doing, and it should last a pretty long time, regardless of brand.
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Post by: NWABrutus on December 01, 2004, 02:51:00 PM: I do know how to work on guns. A guy at 21st century airsoft in michigan helped me along the way in knowing how. And as for the metal bodies if you take care and don't drop it from like a high distance it should be okay and you could always purchase a metal body and put it on a marui. Which is what i plan on doing i have had bad experiences with ics internals.
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Post by: choiboi on December 01, 2004, 07:36:27 PM: I have and ICS m4a1 and it served me good for about a month. The 2 part gearbox set is kind of unrealible but pretty good. I dont scrim but i have a friend who does and h as the same gun but upgraded. He says dat all he does is he has to carry and extra gearbox part around. The people in ICS made the internal easy to do maintence. If ur gearboc breaks down its only one part of it usually and one part cost around 30 buks. It really only takes 10 min to cahnge one peart of the gearbox. ICS m4a1 r pretty good and easy to fix.
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Post by: Major Buttnuts on December 02, 2004, 08:10:41 PM: ICS or Marui...BAH, all you need is an AK47
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Post by: choiboi on December 02, 2004, 11:22:19 PM: ICS is making theri new ak-74!!!! it looks so tight i want it.
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Post by: IcePlatinumSky on December 03, 2004, 12:10:19 AM: The AK-47 is the true airsoft gun!!!!!
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Post by: Greg on December 03, 2004, 12:20:54 AM: But this thread had nothing to do with ak-47's...
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Post by: leadmagnet on December 03, 2004, 08:12:47 PM: Who sells a bottom half (lower receiver) ICS M4 gearbox? Not that I need one, but I didn't think they were out.

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Post by: Greg on December 03, 2004, 11:08:22 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by leadmagnet
 Who sells a bottom half (lower receiver) ICS M4 gearbox? Not that I need one, but I didn't think they were out.

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So far, I think Airsoft GI has been the best about carrying replacement ICS parts. That's where I got the replacement lower receiver (metal body, not gearbox) after my dad broke his...
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Post by: leadmagnet on December 04, 2004, 06:31:15 PM: Yeah, Greg. I agree. AirsoftGI has been the place to go for ICS parts. I should have explained further on the lower receiver too. AirsoftGI HAS had that part for a while. I'm surprised the lower mech box hasn't been made available though. I really like the choices of upper mech boxes at AirsoftGI too. I'd recommend them to anyone interested. The ninty dollar upgrade has me at 400 fps and has been reliable. (Keep an eye on your motor height adjustment screw though). And of course tappet plate, cough, cough.

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Post by: gixser13 on December 04, 2004, 06:43:58 PM: for all you ICS fans out there. this looks like a good deal

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 97385&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64635&item=7117597385&rd=1)
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Post by: leadmagnet on December 04, 2004, 07:56:28 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by gixser13
 for all you ICS fans out there. this looks like a good deal

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 97385&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64635&item=7117597385&rd=1)

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Gosh, and he isn't even charging extra for the "two small drill holes on the right side of each reciever". Lol.

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Post by: -Wraith- on November 28, 2004, 07:54:38 PM: I was wondering what would be best in your opinions. There is a ICS M4 for $289.00 at Airsplat and thats a great deal as far as I've seen. But, the TM M4 is around $250.00. I like the metal body, but I want it to last. How long do ICS M4s usualy last? Which do you reccomend?