Airsoft Arizona
Arizona Game Discussions => Local Games Listing/RSVP => Topic started by: TheBoy988 on May 03, 2010, 08:35:35 PM
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Operation Oasis
20 years have passed since the last nuke fell and civilization, if it still can be called that, still lives on...Now run by military personnel who survived, colonies are more like military militia on the hunt for new land and anything that can help their survival...
Tan Nation, being a stationary colony, has decided to stay put and defend to the death any outsiders who may stumble upon their oasis. Supplies stock pilled and morals high, Tan Nation feels secure.
Green Nation felt their survival hindered on a nomadic lifestyle that depends on pillaging to gain new supplies. Traveling for more than three months and supplies running low, green nation is getting desperate but finally finds Tan nation's camp.
Refusing the deal to stay and help out in exchange for supplies, Green Nation builds camp outside Tan Nation’s village. Fearing a threat and the possibility that a battle may break out any day, both nations mobilize and gear up for a full out war.
During the recon missions a couple of Tan civilians were captured as bargaining chips. Tan refusing to do business in such a manner, a war now seems more of a possibility than ever!
Location: Four Peaks
Time: 0800. Meet at the Cheveron. Map link to follow.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=E+Shea+Blvd&daddr=AZ-87+N%2FBeeline+Hwy&geocode=FYZtAAIdzrtU-Q%3BFYZjAAId5O1X-Q&hl=en&mra=mi&mrsp=0,1&sz=11&sll=33.578587,-111.678085&sspn=0.298617,0.676346&ie=UTF8&z=11
Energy Output:
AEGs: 400fps with 0.20g BBs
Bolt and Semi Auto Rifles: 500fps with 0.20g BBs
Required Equipment:
• One(1) Gallon of Drinking Water
• Non - Winding Magazines*
• Sealed Eye Protection**
• Military Style Uniform
• Boots
* Support weapons may use winding magazines. Designation of support weapons will be handled on a case by case basis and must follow AEG energy requirements.
**Eye protection must meet or exceed ANSI Z28.1 safety ratings
Other Rules:
Age Limit: 18+ only.
Grenades: Grenades are not permitted. This if for fire safety reasons. I can not make exceptions.
Surrenders: Surrenders are OPTIONAL.
Objectives:
All objectives will be kept secret until the day of operation. Objectives will be received via radio communication. Admins will also be working as high command for the operation. Both teams should be prepared for hostage rescue, reconnaissance, assaults and asset security.
Please keep an eye here for updates as they come!
Roster
Tan Command:
TBA
Tan:
LTFracture
SSGFracture
Vince
rmwilson90
Steelworks 1
Steelworks 2
Steelworks 3
Steelworks 4
Steelworks 5
Steelworks 6
Steelworks 7
Steelworks 8
Steelworks 9
Steelworks 10
Steelworks 11
armalite attack
Black Phoenix 1
Black Phoenix 2
Black Phoenix 3
Black Phoenix 4
B3ANZOR
Guest of B3ANZOR
Guest of B3ANZOR
sir slush
Guest of sir slush 1
Guest of sir slush 2
Guest of sir slush 3
Guest of sir slush 4
Green Commander:
MGfoley2
Green:
nerveburner
BeachsideCorpse
Desert Foothills Airsoft 1
Desert Foothills Airsoft 2
Desert Foothills Airsoft 3
BGA 1
BGA 2
BGA 3
Shadowviper 1
Shadowviper 2
Shadowviper 3
I Slap Fat Kids
Guest of I Slap Fat Kids 1
Guest of I Slap Fat Kids 2
Guest of I Slap Fat Kids 3
Guest of I Slap Fat Kids 4
Guest of I Slap Fat Kids 5
Guest of I Slap Fat Kids 6
Rogue Phoenix 1
Rogue Phoenix 2
Rogue Phoenix 3
Rogue Phoenix 4
Rogue Phoenix 5
Drew W.
Guest of Drew W. 1
Henriksenator
Guest of Henriksenator 1
Guest of Henriksenator 2
Guest of Henriksenator 3
Schwer_Punkt_91
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sweet...game sounds fun for sure :twisted:
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I will be there of course
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Sounds like fun.
Entry fee? Nvm... it's in the picture. ok... free! yay!
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Sounds like fun.
Entry fee? Nvm... it's in the picture. ok... free! yay!
you are correct this event will be free for all who would love to see the MTT UAC but would other wise couldnt aford it.... :D
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this gonna be sweet
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we should be there, this is too good to pass up :twisted:
me +1 tan, kata will post for the rest of us.
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Thanks for the early support every one. Please remember to leave that side you will be taking and how many people will be attending. Thanks guys!
In case you are all wondering, Their WILL be marshals.
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woops, fixed that lol :P
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do you know how many of us will be going yet jeremy?
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Sorry, don't think I'll be able to make this one. GF's birthday.
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I don't see any age limits, so put me down plus one guest. I may have more later.
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Sorry, don't think I'll be able to make this one. GF's birthday.
Take her with ;)
We had an age limit, just don't know what happened to it.
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Sorry, don't think I'll be able to make this one. GF's birthday.
Take her with ;)
We had an age limit, just don't know what happened to it.
I knew Chip had altered the rules to comply with MTT and i know MTT don't have an age limit as long as those under 16 (i think) have full face masks
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So where is this MTT UAC? And what does that acronym stand for? Any pictures of this site so I can get a better feel for the gear to pack/wear? I am very interested in this.
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So where is this MTT UAC? And what does that acronym stand for? Any pictures of this site so I can get a better feel for the gear to pack/wear? I am very interested in this.
it stands for Marauders Tactical Training Urban Assault Course and if you look on the original Post their is a link to their site
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So where is this MTT UAC? And what does that acronym stand for? Any pictures of this site so I can get a better feel for the gear to pack/wear? I am very interested in this.
Excellent questions. MTT stands for marauders tactical training, they are a company that offers tactical training with both airsoft training weapons and fire arms. UAC stands for Urban Assault Course, the UAC is MTT's home field where they hold a large amount of their events. Expect a large amount of close quarters engagements as well as field work. You can find information and photos of their course at http://www.marauders.us/.
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Wow this place looks INTENSE! I've got myself (SSGFracture) and LTFracture going. What time should we expect to be there?
Also put us down for either green or tan, just as long as you tell us what team we're on.
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So where is this MTT UAC? And what does that acronym stand for? Any pictures of this site so I can get a better feel for the gear to pack/wear? I am very interested in this.
MTT UAC = Marauders Tactical Training Urban Assault Course...and if you youtube Arizona Airsoft Wars you will see videos of the place..better than any ol' pictures... 8)
and its at 419th ave and eliot basicly...way out by the power plant...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoN0TnYrHow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoN0TnYrHow)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoN0TnYrHow
that one was at fightertown at speedworld...^^^
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Wow this place looks INTENSE! I've got myself (SSGFracture) and LTFracture going. What time should we expect to be there?
Also put us down for either green or tan, just as long as you tell us what team we're on.
You pick the team you want to be. The time will be about 0900 on Saturday, July 10th. That's when you should be there by. As we will start the OP around 1000-1030
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Wow this place looks INTENSE! I've got myself (SSGFracture) and LTFracture going. What time should we expect to be there?
Also put us down for either green or tan, just as long as you tell us what team we're on.
You pick the team you want to be. The time will be about 0900 on Saturday, July 10th. That's when you should be there by. As we will start the OP around 1000-1030
ganna be sweet!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze6h12yTJFY
theres the video from MTT UAC during the Operation westwing...perfect place to hold Operation Oasis because of the towns they have...
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LOL woops, i pasted the wrong link hahaha
my bad :oops:
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Im In. Green.
With Luck I will be back in AZ on the 20th. Sounds awesome
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Wow this place looks INTENSE! I've got myself (SSGFracture) and LTFracture going. What time should we expect to be there?
Also put us down for either green or tan, just as long as you tell us what team we're on.
we will put you two down for green to help keep the team even...
again if you guys seem interestead in this event pm me or theboy988 for any extra details and please remember to put down how many expected to show and what team to be on...thanks...
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I don't see any age limits, so put me down plus one guest. I may have more later.
Age limit will follow MTT's rules. If under age you will need a parent signed weaver. They are available at MTT's website.
Wow this place looks INTENSE! I've got myself (SSGFracture) and LTFracture going. What time should we expect to be there?
Also put us down for either green or tan, just as long as you tell us what team we're on.
I have you down as Green.
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I don't see any age limits, so put me down plus one guest. I may have more later.
Age limit will follow MTT's rules. If under age you will need a parent signed weaver. They are available at MTT's website.
Wow this place looks INTENSE! I've got myself (SSGFracture) and LTFracture going. What time should we expect to be there?
Also put us down for either green or tan, just as long as you tell us what team we're on.
I have you down as Green.
you for got to put down carbon14c (guest) and b3anzor for tan...
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well i guess im off the team for not getting acu's so i will not...NOT be funding this to be held at MTT...maybe the next team i join will set something up for my original plan to have people who couldnt aford to play at mtt a chance to see their awsome uac field they have...
sorry for any inconvenience
i promise what ever team picks me up i will be more than willing to set up this whole idea again...i think its a great idea to hold a sponsored event at MTT that is free due to the fact the MTT UAC cource is probly one of the best if not the best field in arizona from what ive seen personally and in my research into the sport...and being free allows people who couldnt aford it with the ecnomical time that has hit to play there...
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BE ADVISED
The location of the event and some rules have changed! Please take a moment to review the original post and preregister. I have cleared the roster so even if you've already registered please do so again.
Sorry for the inconvenience every one.
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Sigh
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Hopefully this can turn out as a positive change in the long run.
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dont know if i will be going still, there is plenty of time till the OP so i'll get the details hammered out and post back
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well he changed it o be held at 4 peaks instead...my story and everything will still be the same most likely
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Hopefully this can turn out as a positive change in the long run.
hopefully it can...
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yep, it's mostly dependent on the rest of the team going, or at least the majority of us :lol:
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yep, it's mostly dependent on the rest of the team going, or at least the majority of us :lol:
got ya...i mean being a story i came up with i want to play the senario but who knows now....i figure something out...
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well he changed it o be held at 4 peaks instead...my story and everything will still be the same most likely
Well... the MTT course isn't all that great IMHO. The town is off-scale, and it's always so dusty. Have to clean ALL my gear every time... even the stuff I leave in the car gets full of sand and dirt. I hear four peaks is an awesome AO too. Should still be fun.
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Well, I guess I'm not attending now, due to the new rule set...
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well i guess im off the team for not getting acu's
So you're saying now I have to go out and buy a full set of ACUs because I've been assigned to the green team? Heck, I still have work to do on my primary weapon before the game too, now I need to spend MORE? Whatever happened to as long as your colors are green/tan based, you're good to go. I mean I understand the concept of milsim and all, just not everyone can afford to go pay for new gear for one game. Please clarify if I am wrong. Thank you.
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well i guess im off the team for not getting acu's
So you're saying now I have to go out and buy a full set of ACUs because I've been assigned to the green team? Heck, I still have work to do on my primary weapon before the game too, now I need to spend MORE? Whatever happened to as long as your colors are green/tan based, you're good to go. I mean I understand the concept of milsim and all, just not everyone can afford to go pay for new gear for one game. Please clarify if I am wrong. Thank you.
Not at all. No one is required to buy ACUs. This was an internal thing and has no bearing on any of you.
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Okay, so I can base my gear accordinly off of the position I wish to play as long as my colors are green? Well, since you reset the roster is it too late to change myself and LTFracture to Tan? (Most of our gear is tan, so it'd save some $$$)
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Roster updated.
Okay, so I can base my gear accordinly off of the position I wish to play as long as my colors are green? Well, since you reset the roster is it too late to change myself and LTFracture to Tan? (Most of our gear is tan, so it'd save some $$$)
I have you on tan.
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Amazing. Thank you for that, it helped out more than you know. In that case, you have SSGFracture and LTFracture down for Tan's Scout/Sharpshooter team. :D (Yes, my weapon will comply with the FPS rules. I'll change springs and it'll be down to like 380fps.)
Also, what are the terrain expectancies? Boulder, bushes, open desert, buildings?
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it's going to be a bit rugged up at four peaks, definitely no buildings...
i wouldnt say there is a whole lot of open desert, its mostly trees, bushes, some boulders, etc. it's not as rough as mt. ord but here's a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C810rpSHjs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C810rpSHjs)
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and it's always so dusty. Have to clean ALL my gear every time... even the stuff I leave in the car gets full of sand and dirt
Sounds fuckin' awful, man. How do you handle it?
I'll be there. Please put me on the tan team.
Thanks.
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AZI will be there +4. Poachers might come, Ill get back to you on an exact headcount and colors.
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even tho i decided not to stay with team aegis i would like to say i hope this game goes off without any problems....its cool to see a story i came up with is gaining popularity and that the location change was not a problem...put me down for tan please jeremy...thanks im still here to help out with this if you need any... ;)
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even tho i decided not to stay with team aegis i would like to say i hope this game goes off without any problems....its cool to see a story i came up with is gaining popularity and that the location change was not a problem...put me down for tan please jeremy...thanks im still here to help out with this if you need any... ;)
Done. See you out there man.
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I'll be there. Please put me on the tan team.
Thanks.
I've got you done Vince.
Amazing. Thank you for that, it helped out more than you know. In that case, you have SSGFracture and LTFracture down for Tan's Scout/Sharpshooter team. :D (Yes, my weapon will comply with the FPS rules. I'll change springs and it'll be down to like 380fps.)
Also, what are the terrain expectancies? Boulder, bushes, open desert, buildings?
You can expect to see a lot of hills and brush. Maintaining an over watch at all times is going to be the name of the game.
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You can expect to see a lot of hills and brush. Maintaining an over watch at all times is going to be the name of the game.
For sure, that's what we're best at; recon and going unnoticed with headshots here and there. (Torso-shots are too easy. ;) ) Are we allowed to use .25-.28s in our guns as long as the FPS stays in range? With all the brush it'd be nice to have the penetration of .28 at +100ft.
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You can expect to see a lot of hills and brush. Maintaining an over watch at all times is going to be the name of the game.
For sure, that's what we're best at; recon and going unnoticed with headshots here and there. (Torso-shots are too easy. ;) ) Are we allowed to use .25-.28s in our guns as long as the FPS stays in range? With all the brush it'd be nice to have the penetration of .28 at +100ft.
You can use what ever ammo you wish. We will be using 0.20g BBs to chrono just to make sure the guns have the allowed energy output.
CHANGING WEIGHT OF YOUR AMMO TO LOWER FPS DOES NOT WORK. This is because the energy output of the gun does not change with heavier BBs.
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CHANGING WEIGHT OF YOUR AMMO TO LOWER FPS DOES NOT WORK. This is because the energy output of the gun does not change with heavier BBs.
I've shot hotter with .28s than .20s on a chrono at AZ Paintball Depot, which is why I asked. That's with a M120 spring.
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CHANGING WEIGHT OF YOUR AMMO TO LOWER FPS DOES NOT WORK. This is because the energy output of the gun does not change with heavier BBs.
I've shot hotter with .28s than .20s on a chrono at AZ Paintball Depot, which is why I asked. That's with a M120 spring.
Lol that wasn't directed at you in any way. I just know MANY MANY people that say they will just use heavier BBs to lower their velocity. I'll be chronoing with 0.20g BBs.
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CHANGING WEIGHT OF YOUR AMMO TO LOWER FPS DOES NOT WORK. This is because the energy output of the gun does not change with heavier BBs.
I've shot hotter with .28s than .20s on a chrono at AZ Paintball Depot, which is why I asked. That's with a M120 spring.
Energy creep, but that's not what he means.
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but with .40's in my Gun i'm only shooting 425 FPS
is that ok or not?
Btw i'm joking i'm a marshal
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chip, I'm in - myself plus one
when kata gets back he'll let you know for the rest of us
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but with .40's in my Gun i'm only shooting 425 FPS
is that ok or not?
Btw i'm joking i'm a marshal
:shock: lol
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but with .40's in my Gun i'm only shooting 425 FPS
is that ok or not?
Btw i'm joking i'm a marshal
:shock: lol
Yeah lol its shooting like 530fps with .20's
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but with .40's in my Gun i'm only shooting 425 FPS
is that ok or not?
Btw i'm joking i'm a marshal
:shock: lol
Yeah lol its shooting like 530fps with .20's
ya you told me...thats so awsome lol
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and it's always so dusty. Have to clean ALL my gear every time... even the stuff I leave in the car gets full of sand and dirt
Sounds fuckin' awful, man. How do you handle it?
Well, I start by pulling out my tampon and getting the sand out of my vagina.
and THEN I use midol to clear the barrels.
I finish the cleaning with a nnice misting of a lavender scented spray so that everything is fresh smelling when I get the stuff out after that.
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I am 14 and have a friend who is 14. If my father comes with me, but doesn't play and just signs a waver can i lay?
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I am 14 and have a friend who is 14. If my father comes with me, but doesn't play and just signs a waver can i lay?
im sure they wont mind if you lay. just dont get in the way of anyone..
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I am 14 and have a friend who is 14. If my father comes with me, but doesn't play and just signs a waver can i lay?
im sure they wont mind if you lay. just dont get in the way of anyone..
I will have to talk with chip about it. I know we are somewhat hesitant on minors under the age, but he'll make the final call
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Sorry it's taken so long to reply. I can't allow minors to play unless your coming with an adult.
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I am 14 and have a friend who is 14. If my father comes with me, but doesn't play and just signs a waver can i lay?
im sure they wont mind if you lay. just dont get in the way of anyone..
haha...if your parent comes out to hang for the day...thats ok...
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Put me down for green, will let u know if work comes up much later.
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Put me down for green, will let u know if work comes up much later.
I've got you.
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Sorry it's taken so long to reply. I can't allow minors to play unless your coming with an adult/quote]
If just my dad comes but not a parent of the other two people who are coming with me is that still okay or do their parents have to come too.
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Sorry it's taken so long to reply. I can't allow minors to play unless your coming with an adult/quote]
If just my dad comes but not a parent of the other two people who are coming with me is that still okay or do their parents have to come too.
he said adult. not parent.
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I'd like to go as well. Sign me up forrrrr....a tenative tan! :)
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Sorry it's taken so long to reply. I can't allow minors to play unless your coming with an adult/quote]
If just my dad comes but not a parent of the other two people who are coming with me is that still okay or do their parents have to come too.
Its alright as long as an adult is there responsible for you.
I'd like to go as well. Sign me up forrrrr....a tenative tan! :)
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Sorry it's taken so long to reply. I can't allow minors to play unless your coming with an adult/quote]
If just my dad comes but not a parent of the other two people who are coming with me is that still okay or do their parents have to come too.
Okay, because you're 14, maybe you didn't understand these idiots! :P
But! No, your friend don't need their parents at the field to play, as long as a single parent is there, that can take responsibility for all your friends, then it's fine if you bring your parent, or if one of their parents go, and take responsibility for you, and all your friends.
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Could anybody give me exact directions like on Mapquest because the Mtt website doesn't really help.
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Could anybody give me exact directions like on Mapquest because the Mtt website doesn't really help.
this event is not taking place at the UAC, it has been moved to four peaks instead..
there should be a convoy from the rally point up to the AO for guys that don't know their way
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Ok so i should be at the rally point at 8 o'clock.
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Could anybody give me exact directions like on Mapquest because the Mtt website doesn't really help.
Ill have a convoy to the AO for people that do not know the way. If any of you would like to skip the rally point and go straight to the AO that is also fine with me.
Also, please let me know what team you will be playing on so i can keep a running roster.
Thanks guys
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Ok so i should be at the rally point at 8 o'clock.
if you know where the four peaks rally point is then yes...
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Ok so i should be at the rally point at 8 o'clock.
Yes, be there atleast 15 til 8. But, no later than 8.
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lol really... how many ppl does it to take to tell 1 person yes on a time...if he knows where the rally point is im sure he'll be there a lil befor 8...
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lol really... how many ppl does it to take to tell 1 person yes on a time...if he knows where the rally point is im sure he'll be there a lil befor 8...
gotta get those post counts up! 8)
this game will be hard-pressed to hit the standards BGA set for the four peaks AO, i dont think i have ever played a game at that AO that was as well organized and utilized the area in the way that op did.
even in the shadow of idaho, hopefully it will be a good time.
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i personally think that the posts are too slow for this op and when it gets closer to the game time people will find other better things or games to do...i hope not but lets see if im wrong...
i mean i would want a good almost full roster by now and for how many pages this topic has but its still very slim list
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I am going to show up with two friends, but I need to buy camo and my friends need to decide which team we are going to be on. I know one has woodland camo, but the other has at least desert and i have none.
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Mark me down for 2 on tan team. One extra might come though.
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Do we have to wear military uniforms or can we just dress in all tan or all green.
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duuuuude. as a moderator/poster on multiple communities, i have seen my fair share of double posting..
but a triple?! that is the first in a while.. there is an edit, or modify button.. you can use that to add content to your previous reply. generally, it is considered good forum etiquette to not "double post" in the same thread, instead you should edit your previous posts to include what your subsequent additions would have contained
as to your original query, i usually wear all tan dickies, with my boots and tac gear. it has never been a problem, i'm sure you can get away with doing that as i do.
but..i mean, don't wear like, khakis and a tan tshirt... i would recommend a dickies long or short sleeved work shirt, and a pair of dickies work pants, they are about 15$ each at wal-mart if you really do not want to invest in a battle uniform at this point in time
of course, this is all speculation, the event organizer may say otherwise.
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You don't have to be in a military uniform. All that matters is that you are in easily distinguishable between tan and green.
Mark me down for 2 on tan team. One extra might come though.
I've got you and your friend down for tan. Please advise as soon as you know if and what team he will be on. Thanks.
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Mark me down for green(fleck)
If anyone needs camo, I have a set of US woodland BDUs you may borrow. Will fit 5'10" ish, 180lbsish.
Also, I will need a ride to the AO from the rally point.
EDIT: grammar/structure
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Also, I will need a ride to the AO from the rally point.
There will be vehicles that can give you a ride.
For uniforms, we do want you wearing protective gear, as there are alot of cacti, and other plants that will snag you. As Carbon had said, you should go with wearing dickies, or even wearing camoflauge utilities.
I have a couple extra pairs of camoflauge. I have med reg woodland and desert MARPAT. I also have a pair of DCU's. If you need a pair of camoflauge to borrow, please PM me.
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Also, I will need a ride to the AO from the rally point.
There will be vehicles that can give you a ride.
For uniforms, we do want you wearing protective gear, as there are alot of cacti, and other plants that will snag you. As Carbon had said, you should go with wearing dickies, or even wearing camoflauge utilities.
I have a couple extra pairs of camoflauge. I have med reg woodland and desert MARPAT. I also have a pair of DCU's. If you need a pair of camoflauge to borrow, please PM me.
oh, carharts work good too. i've used those before, i have plenty since i use them for work as well. those would give you more then adequate protection, but i wouldn't advise just going out and buying a pair.. you would be better off spending the money on a battle uniform :lol:
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I'm not bringing anyone, by the way.
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I'm not bringing anyone, by the way.
Noted.
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Put me down for four on desert camo
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there is way to many people on tan i might change.
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there is way to many people on tan i might change.
Alright. Let me know soon as you decide what you want to do.
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wow, i forgot about this...
you know we're down for four peaks, ill organize it and get you some numbers.
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wow, i forgot about this...
you know we're down for four peaks, ill organize it and get you some numbers.
Alrighty then! Let me know when ever man.
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this seriously sounds like a great game but im going to the kings of leon concert :(:
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this seriously sounds like a great game but im going to the kings of leon concert :(:
i'm sure you could swing the game and still make that engagement as well...
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Thats possible. No one is making you stay all day and it is a free event.
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Steelworks with Tan- so far we have 4 signed up.
Kata
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Steelworks with Tan- so far we have 4 signed up.
Kata
Alrighty. Ill add you to the roster.
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Desert Foothills Airsoft (DFA) has four for now for green. Possibly five, but obviously I'll post if it changes.
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Desert Foothills Airsoft (DFA) has four for now for green. Possibly five, but obviously I'll post if it changes.
Noted* Will update
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Desert Foothills Airsoft (DFA) has four for now for green. Possibly five, but obviously I'll post if it changes.
Good to see you guys coming out. Ive got you down +4 for green.
UPDATE
I'm closing down tan side. When numbers return to a more even match i will reopen tan.
I am now in the process of finalizing each teams objectives. Please keep in mind it will be VERY beneficial to your team to have some sort of command structure and, if your not the command, to follow their leadership. I will not assign a team to be the command element for this game as i've been volintold (not that im complaining) to be command many times and sometimes i just feel like being a grunt out there. With that said, if you would like your team to be the command element for you color feel free to shoot me a PM. I'll announce the Command teams at the end of the week.
Thanks guys.
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I'm heading out of town the 9th, so I won't actually be able to make it to this op. You can take me off the list, hope it turns out well!
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steelworks should be comand element for the op...
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I'll be there in green.
I'll run this by the rest of the guys also.
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steelworks should be comand element for the op...
eh.. i usually end up running command for my squad, i kind of wanted to just play as a grunt since this is my last game for a while..
andrew might say otherwise though, run it by him
my dad expressed interest in playing at four peaks, he might be with us as well.. :D
i just need to secure some more M4 mags for him to use before then
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my dad expressed interest in playing at four peaks, he might be with us as well.. :D
i just need to secure some more M4 mags for him to use before then
i have 8 of them and my 5000 rd drum which ill probly use so he can use mine if he need em
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guys! just PM eachother! fuck ...
demo; that would be awesome if he could use like five or six, i have a couple high caps he can use as well... thanks!
jeremy, our numbers are now at a solid six with one possible guest for tan, i hope that doesn't throw a wrench in anything as far as keeping the teams even
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jeremy, our numbers are now at a solid six with one possible guest for tan, i hope that doesn't throw a wrench in anything as far as keeping the teams even
Expect a couple more green from BGA.
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Jeremy already knows but I'll be there
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Keep it civil and on topic, or it gets locked.
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Keep it civil and on topic, or it gets locked.
i agree thats why i was keeping it civil and on topic
i do apreciate the whole BS in its intirety to have been deleted not just this or that so to which ever mod did that i thank you greatly...again shows good character in that person and in this A.A. fourms
ill return the favor and i will remove my self from this event...even though i came up with the story, the whole idea was to have a free event at mtt so people who couldnt aford playing there could...so with it being changed anyways ill change my plans as well...
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Are the mapquest directions on the first page the directions to the rally point?
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yes it is...it will be the south gas station on the map...have fun out there
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You count ACU as tan or green? I'm in, possibly +1.
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You count ACU as tan or green? I'm in, possibly +1.
It will be either or, depending on how un even the teams are. So it will be figured out on game day.
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Right now Steelworks has 10 for the event.
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It's going to be myself +3 from BGA.
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Right now Steelworks has 10 for the event.
Woot! That's F***ing tight! So, is that going to be all 10 for tan?
Glad to have your head count Foley, cant wait to see you there :)
Anyone else not signed up, please do so, and if you need to borrow some Green Camoflauge, send me a pm.
On another note, if anyone would want one of us(One of the marshals) to take pix, and some footage with your camera, then send me a PM.
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Excellent. I've got you all down. MGfoley I've got your guys down on green. Andrew I've got your ten guys down for tan.
I'm still in need of volunteer for tan command. Preferably with command experience, I anticipate this event to be a more complex then usual free weekend games.
Thanks guys
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hey Rogue Phoenix will be there, right now garaunteed four of us, will post if anymore will be joining us
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hey Rogue Phoenix will be there, right now garaunteed four of us, will post if anymore will be joining us
What's your guys' uniform?
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We have a mix of ACUs and BDUs
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We have a mix of ACUs and BDUs
Ill put you guys on green. Welcome.
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Kinda need to even teams guys looking scary Stealworks
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Kinda need to even teams guys looking scary Stealworks
Haha. This may be very interesting. Not to worry steelworks, i think i have some reinforcements coming for you.
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I have two plus myself wanting to come out from Shenanigans for tan
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Swith Brad and me to Tan
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Swith Brad and me to Tan
Yes :lol:
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Black Phoenix with 4 in tan
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sweet looks like the teams have evened up...very nice...ive changed my mind again and will be there...depending on if my dad will need a ride to the airport tomorrow in the morning but if he dont i will be there...and i will be brining no problems with me....i will be bringing my pop up shade and coolers full of water and snacks
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Roster Updated. Luis i moved your guests and you to Tan. Black Phoenix i've got you guys down, good to have you comin out!
sweet looks like the teams have evened up...very nice...ive changed my mind again and will be there...depending on if my dad will need a ride to the airport tomorrow in the morning but if he dont i will be there...and i will be brining no problems with me....i will be bringing my pop up shade and coolers full of water and snacks
Demo, will you be in tan or green?
Update
I'm still in need of a tan command. Please PM if you and your team would like to volunteer.
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Demo will be tan Stealworks
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EXCITED.
we'll have a little base set up as usual :P me and austin are hitching a ride with dwayne and mike, see you all out there!
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This is Dalton from rogue phoenix, will have one more person joining us
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Jeremy its possible if you need Tan Command Steelworks might do it, no promises though!
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Hello TheBoy,
Put Drew W. + 1 (Brother Ian) down for Green Team. Total of +2.
Never been to this site before, so it should be interesting ;).
Sorry if this question has been asked and answered, but what are the google map coordinates (latitude + longitude) for the actual game site? I understand we're meeting at the Chevron at AZ-87N and N. Fort McDowell Rd, but I'd like to have an overhead view of the actual playing area.
Thanks Mates. See you out there.
~D.W.
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Change me from tan to green and instead of 2 people mark me down for 4.
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im on tan with steelworks...thanks
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Put me on the green side.
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I need to borrow some midcap m4/m16 and ak47 midcaps to borrow does anybody have any. Because all of us have high caps and we don't have midcaps so what should we do.
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Okay. Roster is updated as of 1930. Please remember to be at the rally BEFORE 0800. It may turn out to be a rainy day tomorrow so pack rain gear if you don't want to get to wet.
BRING WATER
Jeremy its possible if you need Tan Command Steelworks might do it, no promises though!
Thank you. If no one steps up ill keep you in mind. I'll let you know soon as i can.
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No im only going to have 3 friends not 4.
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Sorry for the late notice:
Make it only 3 people for DFA
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Sorry for the late notice:
Make it only 3 people for DFA
No problem. Adjustment made.
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if anyone wants to lend me a radio, that would be awesome.
mine took a shit on me, i would preferably like to use a headset tomorrow.. so any single-pin radio would work. (i have the headset, just need a radio)
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For those of you looking for last minute updates, that is a conoco gas station, not a chevron. It just dawned on me as I was packing up to go out.
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Needed more heat exhaustion. ](*,)
Note to self: Don't wander around Four Peaks desert for two hours while it's 115° out.
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Yeah, it was ridiculously hot today. Even my belt was literally dripping with sweat. I don't think the heat helped with the tempers today, either.
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hot. and humid.
that is all
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I'm gonna have to say I'm done for the summer. It was just too damn HOT
Meanwhile I will be in aestivation :lol:
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Needed more heat exhaustion. ](*,)
Note to self: Don't wander around Four Peaks desert for two hours while it's 115° out.
I didn't even come back till 12:30.
I'm gonna have to say I'm done for the summer. It was just too damn HOT
Meanwhile I will be in aestivation :lol:
Your L86 looked sweet though.
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you guys are complaining after a few hours? Try working in it 8 hours a day 5 days a week
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Good game guys. Steelworks it was nice play with you guys for once, instead of against each other
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It was hot? OMG...i'm still sweating and I just got out of the pool. Thanks for the great game. Was nice to place to RU for a change. To the guy who shot me in the back of my leg...OUCH!!!!
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great game everyone and jeremey...tan team all the way...even though i had to stop towards the end to get some water... glad no one got too hurt out there
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yes..it was definitely a nice change of pace to play WITH you guys, lol
i just woke up from an unintentional nap.. i sat down on the couch inside and just fell asleep :|
yeah demo to the rescue PB/J and all ;)
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yes..it was definitely a nice change of pace to play WITH you guys, lol
i just woke up from an unintentional nap.. i sat down on the couch inside and just fell asleep :|
yeah demo to the rescue PB/J and all ;)
if i didnt get the mcdonalds breakfast i would of ate the pb/j for real...i get hungry out there i also had my backpacking stove and noodles too but no one got to see that...lol ;)
i try to come prepaired when i got out to the desert for anything...hamoc/tent and food/water for a day or so....with my truck you never know if it will start or not... 8)
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I'm glad you all enjoyed your self in spite of the heat. I got a lot of good feed back from every one good and bad. I'll be adjusting my operations tactics for my next go around. I will make sure it isn't going to be this hot next time.
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Some sweet game-age out there! hot as hell but it was fun! and yeah, lets hold back on the heat exhaustion next time hahahaha
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if i didnt get the mcdonalds breakfast i would of ate the pb/j for real...i get hungry out there i also had my backpacking stove and noodles too but no one got to see that...lol ;)
i try to come prepaired when i got out to the desert for anything...hamoc/tent and food/water for a day or so....with my truck you never know if it will start or not... 8)
next time i'm raiding your truck for food when you aren't looking.. :twisted:
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good game guys an it was fun playing with RU we need to do that more often.
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if i didnt get the mcdonalds breakfast i would of ate the pb/j for real...i get hungry out there i also had my backpacking stove and noodles too but no one got to see that...lol ;)
i try to come prepaired when i got out to the desert for anything...hamoc/tent and food/water for a day or so....with my truck you never know if it will start or not... 8)
next time i'm raiding your truck for food when you aren't looking.. :twisted:
lol now ill know who did it...haha...
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Did anyone get any pictures from the game?
I am not sure if there was anyone out there with a camera
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I didn't take any, nor did I see anyone with a camera at any time.
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Howdy All,
I second that on the heat. Even through a BDU sleeve, my arms felt like charred steak. Hehe, but if I went out in the Arizona desert, mid-day in the middle of Summer and expected it to be cool, then shame on me!
To The Boy,
Thanks for putting on the game my friend. It was an ambitious endeavor, and a great turnout. (About 50 people or so, so I think this was the largest game I've ever played so far). Game play turned out pretty good.
Before I go on further, I should point out something about my little sliver of the Op. Myself, my brother Ian, and 3 members of BFA were the Hostage Security Team for Green. After 2 of BFA went off to conduct recon on Tan base, it was just us three with the world's mouthiest hostage (heh).
We went WAY out in the sticks to keep this guy hidden, and I think the only reason he was never captured was because we never actually needed to walk that far into the middle of nowhere (shame on us).
The end result, and thus my own review of the game, was that it was a lot of walking in the heat, with very little trigger time. Now I obviously can't hold The Boy, the game play, or anything else responsible for that. It was our choice to do that. But the inevitable result is that I ranked my experience at this game at about average. With Hostage Guard duty for the first half, and me taking a knee beside a ridge to guard Green flag's flank for the second half, I don't think I ever shot at anyone the whole game.
Again, this is me describing my own little slice of the game. And I'm not trying to make this a complaint, or to reflect this onto The Boy or Operation Oasis in general. The only real reason that the game play was slow was because of my own choices. And while I did enjoy talking with Trevor of BFA and the hostage (who was clearly adopting his role), & doing actions to help the Green Team's cause, I suppose the only thing I can say about the game is that I would have preferred for the action to be a little more concentrated.
So, to The Boy, I have to say a few things. Ambitious game mate, with a great story, and I loved the turnout. The AO is amazing too! A hel*uva hike, but amazing opportunities for battle. And it sounds like other people had a great time (except for the heat, hehe). The only thing I would have preferred would have been to concentrate the movement of both teams towards each other. It seemed as though with a hostage to find, and a secret Green HQ to find, and a base with supplies to guard, Tan Team was forced to spread itself thin. Green also had the same issue: to protect the hostage (our job, hence the cross-country hike, hehe), protect the flag, and steal said supplies or trade the hostage for them.
My suggestion to concentrate firefights into a smaller area, and force confrontation, would be to make fewer objectives, or make their locations known. If the Green Flag stays secret for about half an hour, Green can move freely. But then maybe an admin (I think Kevin was Green's) would give a hint to Tan over the radio. I.E: Green Flag is located near a ridge to the West, along a wide wash to the South, or some other visual reference that can be seen from a good distance). This would force Green to consolidate on its Flag, give Tan a better chance at finding it, and thus the teams would butt heads more often.
Fewer objectives, or objectives that are located somewhat close to each other, is another way to concentrate the teams.
Another way is to break the Op up into separate phases. Instead of both teams defending and attacking at once, have one team attack and the other defend almost exclusively, for a part of the Op. Green's flag is secret for the first half, and are free to attack with almost 100% of their team. Tan is discouraged from attacking, and must defend their supplies with almost 100% of their team. If Green's attack fails, the phase switches to second half. Tan learns Green's Flag location, Green must pull back to defend, and Tan is more free to attack. Bottom Line: More numbers at each side instead of split in half both ways.
If Green needs an excuse to pull back, other than their flag's location being declared, maybe this. Tan Admin taps a few Green players to become NPCs. They're captured, go into Tan base. Tan broadcasts to Green Commander that those POWs will be killed if Green doesn't pull back, which Green Commander then tries to enforce. It also can fit within the story, because you can say the Green Flag's location was "beaten" out of the POWs. Plus a possible Green side mission is to now rescue their comrades.
These are just brain cells I'm burning out loud, and examples of ways to consolidate the action. That's all I really have to say about the game. Again, this isn't meant to tear it down at all. It was a good game overall, with a lot of impressive qualities. And I did have fun for a lot of it, just from conversations and the act of helping the cause. The only thing I can think to add to it would be to concoct clever ways to concentrate the action, while still making it part of the story.
Overall, I was glad I came out. Although if I do it again, I think I'll pack lighter. No more carrying everything but the kitchen sink in my gear to a day game in 114 degree weather, hehe. I gotta learn sometime, right?
Thanks for putting this game on The Boy. I did have fun, and would be glad to do it again. Peace out Brother!
~ D.W.
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Before I go on further, I should point out something about my little sliver of the Op. Myself, my brother Ian, and 3 members of BFA were the Hostage Security Team for Green. After 2 of BFA went off to conduct recon on Tan base, it was just us three with the world's mouthiest hostage (heh).
DFA* :)
BTW, I have some pictures of green team walking to the AO. Then from there I saw only two people - who were already out - and was a little too worried trying to not collapse from heat exhaustion. There's no shade out there :( Anyway, I'll get them up in a few hours.
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We went WAY out in the sticks to keep this guy hidden, and I think the only reason he was never captured was because we never actually needed to walk that far into the middle of nowhere (shame on us).
well.. me, brad, and dustyn engaged that little group multiple times, with multiple kills... but i won't get into the politics around that..
overall, good game.
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Not really anything good; just rule-explaining stuff. Let me know if you want any of the pictures in their full 2048x1536 (resized them to fit on the page).
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Nice pix. Being serious! I look kinda buff :)
Especially liked the pic of the nasty TP on the ground.. ;)
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Thank you Drew W. for your input! It was very constructive and useful. I have taken your suggestions into account and adjustment will be made. I'm going to start the planning of my next operation this week.
To every one that attended:
Thanks you all very much for participating in my very first ever operation. I had a blast hosting the event! I also learned a lot from my own observations and from input coming from all of you. I haven't decided to have a continuation of Oasis at Four Peaks or if im going to create a whole new operation for a new AO. It seemed like you guys enjoyed having the objectives kept secret, specially to each side. It was my goal to make a game the required more tactical thinking and mind power then a heavy trigger finger and a lot of man power.
I suppose now would be a good time to discuss what i was going for with this operation and why i did things the way i did.
I decided to keep the objectives a secret till the day of the operation and limit who knew them for a few reasons. I didn't want each side knowing the others goals. Although knowing what your enemy is trying to do does create good fire fights it kind of takes away from the realism of the whole thing i believe. I also kept the objectives secret from most of the team because i was trying to create a chain of command with in the teams naturally rather then appointing team leaders then squad leaders under that. I thought it would allow friends to stay together and give the entire game a bit of new feel.
Next i decided to allow each team to set up their own base of operations for a few reasons. I felt that having it this way would give a rare opportunity to perform an actual recon mission not seen very often in airsoft. The down fall of the recon mission in this particular game was the lack of maps i was unable to acquire. Another reason i did this was to allow each team multiple choices on how they wanted to play. For instances, after tan team located the green base they had the options to observe there movements (to make it easier to locate the hostages) or full on assault the base to recover the hostages. This didn't end up happening because the game moved much slower then i anticipated. (it wasn't easy guessing how fast it would go, should work much better next time.)
Next thing i did with this game was to reduce the amount of rules i had for game play. I didn't add a boundary to the game because i wanted to allow the game to take a natural course. The people that wanted to bust out a 4 mile hike to get the jump on an objective or, in this case, keep a hostage concealed could do so. I wanted you guys to be able to come up with clever ideas and not have to worry about breaking a rule of engagement. In the end all is fair in love and war right?
That was some of my ideas while writing the operation. Obviously not all of my ideas came to fruition this time but im sure next time i will get much closer and still give you guys enough trigger time a truly excellent game gives you. For a first attempt i certainly cant complain about it being an average game with the new things i've tried. The turn out was WAY more then i expected so thank you all for that.
Jeremy
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Loved the heat made it more interesting game play.
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Loved the heat made it more interesting game play.
You... are crazy. Lol.
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We did have fun chip doing the game we then did the games at apd till 11 pm.
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Thanks for the reply The Boy. I didn't know this was your first ran Op. Congrats Mate! All's considering, it DID go off very smoothly. You should be proud. ;)
In Hindsight, I DID like the open-ended nature of the operation. Most of the games I go to DO involve football-field style face-offs. Linear movement, teams opposite each other, left and right boundaries, etc. There's nothing wrong with that obviously, because 1) This isn't a PC game. We can't create levels to our heart's desire on a computer, we have to work with whatever land we can play on. ;) 2) Those kinds of games DO naturally have some intense firefights, which I like ;).
But with this AO, there WERE massive opportunities for Escape & Evade, Recon (never heard of that in an airsoft game before, hehe), big flanking movements, etc. The open-ended game design, secret Objectives, and the AO helped encourage those kinds of calls, so that came off successfully.
As far as maps go, I'm trying to Google earth the four peaks area, then overlay that in Photoshop with some meter by meter grid coordinates (to accurate scale of course). I dunno if I'll be successful at it, heh. But if I am, I'll post my pic onto this forum. ;)
All in all, great game The Boy. Looking forward to the next one.
PS: DFA, right! Sorry about that.
~ D.W.
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I have a topographical map of the AO i printed from Cabelas. Ill digitize it then post it up. I've got to get the map back from a friend then ill have coordinates for you.
Message to DFA from Mike (the hostage):
"FUCK YOU AND YOUR NATURE HIKE!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
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I was part of the Tan Recon Team, and I have played in a few big AO's before but nothing compared to the 2-3 mile hike I had (in my Ghillie) looking for greens flag. Those pictures that where just posted was the first time I saw the flag. Just my .02 cents here but next time lets make the flags BRIGHT colors not a subdued tan orange, My Recon team came up on the creek just below the green base where Green was lounging out, I had a nice Sniper session, before they finally realized where we were and got us, when we were walking out I must of been 30ft from the flag and NEVER saw it. In my experience the flags have to be blatantly obvious.
All in all the game was a blast, for as hot as it was the turnout was fantastic and the objectives where really cool. Great game Jeremy!!
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You guys all like my torquise shirt on the green team. It was the best camo ever I was like the pink guys on the other team. I got shot pretty fast.
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You guys all like my torquise shirt on the green team. It was the best camo ever I was like the pink guys on the other team. I got shot pretty fast.
We didn't have a problem getting shop with our PINK shirts. We were out of range for most people. :)
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...We were out of range for most people. :)
To bad you didn't get any work done. OHHhhh BURN! hahaha.
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yeah that was a good game, though afterwards i though i was going to die of the heat. but still here thanks for setting it up.
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yeah that was a good game, though afterwards i though i was going to die of the heat. but still here thanks for setting it up.
No problem. Keep your eyes open for my next game.
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...We were out of range for most people. :)
To bad you didn't get any work done. OHHhhh BURN! hahaha.
I thin winning the game counts as getting something done.... so suck it Chip. w00t
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To bad you didn't get any work done. OHHhhh BURN! hahaha.
..i think he spent more time working on that jumping cactus then he did actually playing ;)
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To bad you didn't get any work done. OHHhhh BURN! hahaha.
..i think he spent more time working on that jumping cactus then he did actually playing ;)
Haha that thing hurt so bad. It was just above my boot too
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did you atleast get it all out...haha just kidding...those fuckers hurt