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G&g m4 locking up
« on: March 17, 2010, 04:55:50 PM »
I had the guys at gearbox put in a 130 and new piston in my m4 and it seems to Locke up every 20 or so shots moter is good got good lipo on it so they ate going to put it back down to  the 110 spring but I want more power any one know the problem or had it happen to them thanks for looking
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Re: G&g m4 locking up
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2010, 05:01:01 PM »
I'm having trouble understanding what your problem is... Are you shooting on semi auto or full auto when your gun locks up?
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Re: G&g m4 locking up
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2010, 05:57:08 PM »
ok my gun was working fine i had it upgraded to hit harded now the piston locks back after i shoot on fully or semi auto after so many shots on either selection it sound like its getting weaker and just locks back the pistion that is and they said just to put it back to the lower spring which kinda sucks cauz ive been up there "gearbox" 3 times given they have been great about it but i want higher fps and it seems like to just git rid of me they are putting it back to normal and i paid 16 99 for the spring and 30 for the laber and have nothin to show for it
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Re: G&g m4 locking up
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2010, 06:29:22 PM »
First off, what are you looking for muzzle velocity wise? I'm assuming 400fps with 0.20? Also, what is the manufacture of your gun?
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Re: G&g m4 locking up
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2010, 06:46:56 PM »
Ctually 425 with 25 s and g&p is the manf
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Re: G&g m4 locking up
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2010, 09:20:54 PM »
So guns no good or what are you saying
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Re: G&g m4 locking up
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2010, 09:29:16 PM »
Will my classic army cqb be ok to put the m130 spring in ???
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Re: G&g m4 locking up
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2010, 10:32:02 PM »
My problems with your problem:
1: a M130 spring shouldn't give you 425 w/ .25's. It should give you around 425 w/ .20's. An SP130 should put you near, but still under that level of performance unless you have perfect airseal, in which case it will approach it.
2: It's hard to find anywhere that will let you run that hot (425 w/ .25's) full auto.

That being said, there aren't a lot of things that could be causing this. I would say it's your motor, or your battery, period.
If it cycles at all, then your piston isn't too big. If it lasts a few shots, or 20 or so in this case, then something is lagging and either heating up or reducing output in the electrical system.

Chances are that your motor is overheating from the load and the lipo. Each time it fires, it heats up a little more. Every time it heats up some, it gets a little less efficient and has to work harder to fire the next shot... which heats it up even more... this cycle continues until it can't work as hard as you need it to and voila, the gearbox slows down then locks up.

Same idea if the lipo isn't cutting it: It loses some voltage, heats up a little bit, then can't provide as much power and needs to provide more because it's internal resistance goes up as it heats up, and on and on in it's own heat cycle. This is less likely to be the problem than the motor though.

It doesn't sound like you know too much about the gun and how to upgrade it... so I'm assuming that you're just saying 'the motor is good' because it can fire those first few shots... well, it's very likely the actual problem.
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Re: G&g m4 locking up
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2010, 05:43:48 AM »
To know it really sux when people post hear for help and other people talk down to them thanks for your input but you don't have to talk to me like Im a idot sorry I needed help and posted here
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Re: G&g m4 locking up
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2010, 01:53:00 PM »
Quote from: "coleman"
To know it really sux when people post hear for help and other people talk down to them thanks for your input but you don't have to talk to me like Im a idot sorry I needed help and posted here

Well judging from the lack of proof reading or for that fact thought process in your posts, it's hard not to assume you are some 12 year old kid who's never taken an AEG apart.

There is no reason your gun shouldnt be pulling an SP130 spring easily... My G&G M14 Veteran did it on the stock motor and a 7.4v LiPo.  I would check your motor height and make sure you installed the motor correctly so that it freely moves up and down in the grip and isnt being forced into bad meshing with the Bevel gear.  Start there...

What LiPo are you using?  I need Voltage, C rating and mAh at a minimum, cell type would be great too...
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Re: G&g m4 locking up
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2010, 03:25:31 PM »
Ok well considering i was typing from my phone i could understand why you think that. I am 25 years old and have a wife and two children and have taken my aegs apart several times. Its unbeliveable how rude you are being i dont have any hobbies and decided to start playing airsoft about a year ago. and just spent a good amount of money on the new project and needed help but not from some one who will talk to me like a 12 year old thanks for nothing
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Re: G&g m4 locking up
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2010, 03:27:59 PM »
11.1 fire fox 12c dont know the cell count i also put a 7.4 25c on it and it did the same but please if your going to be rude dont even bother responding. thanks
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Re: G&g m4 locking up
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2010, 05:35:05 PM »
Quote from: "coleman"
11.1 fire fox 12c dont know the cell count i also put a 7.4 25c on it and it did the same but please if your going to be rude dont even bother responding. thanks

You will know when I'm getting rude, because I wont stop calling you names.  I was merely pointing out that it's hard to take someone seriously if I've never met you, when my only impression makes you sound like a 12 year old.  Thats not an insult, thats a fact, if you thought it was rude, I'm sorry.  

To answer your questions... do you know the mAh of the FireFox LiPo?  Chances are the 11.1v can't supply the amperage to the motor to necessary to pull the spring.  That is a dangerous situation because it can damage your LiPo.  As I said in my previous post, did you install the grip correctly on the gearbox so that the motor moves "freely" in it up and down.  If you push down on the motor it should pop back up without the motor plate on the bottom.  If it's jammed down in there, rearrange the wires so that it doesnt do that.  Most of the time people get the wires jammed up and the motor gets pushed down all the way and wont pop back out.

The only other possibility, and it is a possibility, that your motor just can't pull the spring back.  Thats possible.
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Re: G&g m4 locking up
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2010, 06:04:25 PM »
The moter is moving freely
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Re: G&g m4 locking up
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2010, 06:31:18 PM »
Yes the moter moves up an down well I'm very frustrated some one said I will need high torque gears
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