« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6

Author Topic: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009  (Read 8981 times)

Offline 19dcav

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Corporal
  • ****
  • Posts: 69
  • WARLORD AIRSOFT R.I.P 2008-2012
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2009, 10:13:57 AM »
First of all:

The map which bigwavedave has kindly provided us with is totally usless (well not totally it outlines the areas South of where we will be and for that it is informative).  If I read the map correctly (which I know I did) we are playing more to the North, not much-but its north.  It IS in the Tonto Basin ranger district and it IS out of the firearm restricted areas, trust me I know I have been there and in some areas there are more shell casings than rocks.  I checked it out and I discussed it with Susan at length.  I told her exactly where we are playing and she confirmed that she knew EXACTLY where we are going to play.  Maybe its because I am a "Newbie" or something, and you think I am incompetent, but I know that I contacted the proper athorities for this event. I would appreciate it if you would PM me rather than post on this thread in the future.

Bottom line, if you are coming out to play- do so.  If not, don't. Simple.  I hate to be a dick but I believe that I have done everything I could to make this game legal and run smoothly.  I think that I have been a fairly nice guy so far on this forum (yeah I know I have not been on that long) but there are some guys out there who seem very negative and combative and determined to end this game, and for them.  Well, they can kiss my (  ).(  )  I understand concerns for safety and the law, but I think it is fairly evident that I am striving to take the proper steps neccesary to make this game work.  

Again, PM me with further questions and concerns.  JUST post on this thread if you are attending the event.

We WILL see you in the field on SAT,

Joe
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged
Nothing

Offline yammie r6s

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Sergeant Major
  • *****
  • Posts: 502
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2009, 11:42:32 AM »
in +1
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged

Offline t_hum

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Private
  • **
  • Posts: 19
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2009, 12:08:31 PM »
I think youve done a great job getting things together both legally and from an organizational standpoint.  I dont think anybody is complaining or trying to ruin anything for anyone.  

Having said that I will most likely be attending with a total of 3-4 players.  This is pending as work may require me to travel this weekend to Oregon.  Otherwise, see you all on the field.

t_hum
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged

Offline bigwavedave

  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • Sergeant First Class
  • *****
  • Posts: 286
  • Charlie Don't Surf
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2009, 01:09:19 PM »
I have worked for the Tonto national forest for 19 years.  I posted the info that I've been able to come up with to help people who would like to organize future games and make sure they are legal. Not to discourage or negate your efforts.

Part of being legal is getting your facts straight.  Tonto Basin Ranger District is 18 miles North of SR-87 on a nasty bit of road.  If you are organizing an AO and tell folks they are playing on Tonto Basin Ranger District which is at the Saddle of 4 Peaks then that is relevant information to your game.  If you are playing on the Mesa Ranger District then please make efforts to contact their main office at 480-610-3300.

I'm glad you're doing something positive and working on getting a game together.  If anybody has questions related to FS laws/restrictions I will do my best to find out from the folks I work with.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged
Bravo Whiskey Out

Offline Falcon_Phx

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Staff Sergeant
  • *****
  • Posts: 212
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2009, 07:53:26 PM »
Well I will be there Not in BDU's Will be in Black Pants and comfortable shirt, hope thats not an issue, Just dont have any yet, I will eventually,  

Falcon
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged
"Take what You Can, And Give Nothing Back"

Offline -MAD- SARGE

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Lieutenant General
  • *****
  • Posts: 3279
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2009, 08:54:37 PM »
I know the area is up on 143 for several miles from the 4 peaks area. Unfortunately, I myself can barely locate a half decent map for anything on the US Forest Service website.  I find most of their online maps vague and lacking, very frustrating.  Maybe I am looking in the wrong places online. I know the area is in the boarder region of those two districts but without an accurate map it makes things more difficult than they have to be. A man needs a good map, much better than this.  http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/tonto/contact/d ... .shtml#one

In short the location is North of all the firearm restrictions in the 4 peaks area and is on Tonto Forest Land. The district which the area resides in is hard to determine with the provided maps online.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged


Don't be an Escalefter.

Offline 19dcav

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Corporal
  • ****
  • Posts: 69
  • WARLORD AIRSOFT R.I.P 2008-2012
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2009, 11:05:28 PM »
Hey guys-

Thanks for the investigations and map links.  I have checked and rechecked our location via maps and reading the various rules and restrictions on multiple sites and I even had one of my guys (who has some legal knowledge from filming movies) dig up some info.  Our location checks out.  We can play there.  The area is up the 87, not on the 143.  The restrictions on firearms are a ways below that (like you said Mad Sarge).  I know what you are talking about, though, Mad Sarge. The map that lays out the various districts is very difficult to determine boundaries and such.  The people I talked with knew exactly where I ment.  

Thanks for the map,

Looks like we are going to have a great turn out, too! The biggest game I have played in was one I set up for WARLORD at SASCO.  That was 18 people though, this game is almost twice that much (if we have 100% turnout)

Thank you to everyone who has helped me and given me info to get this game going.  Look forward to playing with you dudes in the future,

Joe
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged
Nothing

Offline bigwavedave

  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • Sergeant First Class
  • *****
  • Posts: 286
  • Charlie Don't Surf
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2009, 04:38:34 AM »
JUST FYI to any other OP planners..

if anybody is planning an OP and needs good maps, I have access to all our GIS data as I am a part time GIS data steward and civil eng. tech. Just shoot me a PM and I will do what I can to get something useable.  The reason the FS maps on the website are crappy is because they want to CHARGE you to go and buy a real FS map.  The special orders that are executed, such as Firearm restrictions are usually hand drawn on a FS map and exported to a .PDF.  You generally need a true FS map to be able to decipher the restrictions.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged
Bravo Whiskey Out

Offline digitydog

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Private First Class
  • ***
  • Posts: 34
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2009, 04:34:16 PM »
Man I'm pretty excited for this tomorrow! =D>  (charging batteries) [smilie=armata_pdt_06.gif]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged

Offline Polie

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sergeant Major
  • *****
  • Posts: 646
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2009, 05:37:20 PM »
Quote from: "digitydog"
Man I'm pretty excited for this tomorrow! =D>  (charging batteries) [smilie=armata_pdt_06.gif]


I just need to finish a hopup nub, re-lube everything, and fill up my water. :)
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged
"Dude! Your ride is sick as fuck!"

Offline Falcon_Phx

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Staff Sergeant
  • *****
  • Posts: 212
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2009, 05:38:03 PM »
Im stoked for tomorrow, My First event back into the sport, Im Going over my gear again adn again making sure I have everything.  

Falcon
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged
"Take what You Can, And Give Nothing Back"

Offline 19dcav

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Corporal
  • ****
  • Posts: 69
  • WARLORD AIRSOFT R.I.P 2008-2012
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #56 on: March 06, 2009, 08:59:35 PM »
I am very excited for tomorrow!

But I am also a little nervous.  I hope I planned the games out well enough.  If anyone wants to suggest a game tomorrow at any point, go for it.  I would certainly welcome it.    

It will be great to meet all you dudes tomorrow.  Looking forward to playing some good games.

See you at OPERATION: RED HAND Gents,

Joe
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged
Nothing

Offline 19dcav

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Corporal
  • ****
  • Posts: 69
  • WARLORD AIRSOFT R.I.P 2008-2012
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2009, 09:03:57 PM »
It was brought to my attention that I should have clarified that I was talking about the FPS rules when I said we will be following AA rules.  My bad.

Later guys,

Joe
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged
Nothing

Offline Falcon_Phx

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Staff Sergeant
  • *****
  • Posts: 212
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2009, 10:09:19 PM »
okay what is the FPS Rules??
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged
"Take what You Can, And Give Nothing Back"

Offline Polie

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sergeant Major
  • *****
  • Posts: 646
    • View Profile
Re: ***OPERATION: RED HAND*** March 7, 2009
« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2009, 10:15:22 PM »
Quote from: "Falcon_Phx"
okay what is the FPS Rules??
read the first post.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by Guest »
Logged
"Dude! Your ride is sick as fuck!"

Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6
« previous next »