GBB M4

[H.C.O Fox]

I have been looking at 3 different GBB M4s, the AGM M4; the JG M4 and the EA M4. I was wondering if anyone had heard anything about these rifle, let alone possibly had the pleasure of holding and shooting one. I looked on the internet and could only find a minimal amount of information, and a majority of it was in japanease. Thanks everyone for your help on this boggling(if that's how you spell it) quest for information and hopefully a good purchase in the end! Thanks again! [smilie=armata_pdt_01.gif]

[busta_cap]

I have been looking at 3 different GBB M4s, the AGM M4; the JG M4 and the EA M4. I was wondering if anyone had heard anything about these rifle, let alone possibly had the pleasure of holding and shooting one. I looked on the internet and could only find a minimal amount of information, and a majority of it was in japanease. Thanks everyone for your help on this boggling(if that's how you spell it) quest for information and hopefully a good purchase in the end! Thanks again! [smilie=armata_pdt_01.gif]

I just spent the last half hour researching these three brands of GBB's and honestly..Why don't you just spend a little more and get something that is well proven like a KJW? If you want to know first hand ask Hector(wtf is hector's username ?) and he has put 6000+ rnds thru his and loves it. Also, take a look at the WE tech GBB's.. They shoot straight and HOT out of the box..about 450+

[Kingarmssniper]

I have been looking at 3 different GBB M4s, the AGM M4; the JG M4 and the EA M4. I was wondering if anyone had heard anything about these rifle, let alone possibly had the pleasure of holding and shooting one. I looked on the internet and could only find a minimal amount of information, and a majority of it was in japanease. Thanks everyone for your help on this boggling(if that's how you spell it) quest for information and hopefully a good purchase in the end! Thanks again! [smilie=armata_pdt_01.gif]

I just spent the last half hour researching these three brands of GBB's and honestly..Why don't you just spend a little more and get something that is well proven like a KJW? If you want to know first hand ask Hector(wtf is hector's username ?) and he has put 6000+ rnds thru his and loves it. Also, take a look at the WE tech GBB's.. They shoot straight and HOT out of the box..about 450+

Please do your best to avoid the WE m4s at all costs. I have extensive use with the WE m4 and G&P woc (wa bassed) m4s. The WE is difficult for those without technical knowledge of Gbbs to use AT BEST. Nearly impossible to adjust the fps without another 150 in purchase and time spent installing. I hear amazing things about the KJW and have only heard of one to fail yet...atfer 10k rounds. You have picked one of the most finicky and challenging branches of airsoft to use.

Mags: WE have the proven reliable and cheaper mags, WA come out with the most expensive where the only truely reliable ones I have used to date (out of ALL available wa mags (wa, bomber, agm and ghk) are the GHK which run you 80 a pop). WE guns have ONLY 30 round capacity. While thats awesome for realism's sake...It was a total turn off. I get +20 rounds in each mag. KJW...I have no idea only that they dont fail!

FPS tune-ability: Hands down any WA user has life easy. With china clones you can have an fps adjustment kit for $30 shipped. WE pay $60 and have to know how to cut the metal rods necessary for the adjuster to connect to though ra tech makes a decent vid of how to). KJW...No fps adjustment system out yet so if your gun goes anything over 400 (which I think they are set at 430) and your field says no your spulunked.

Price: G&P woc series may be out of your price range if you are considering the gbbs you mentioned above, but are out of all of these systems the ONLY to have no know failures in Europe, or US from arnies.
I highly recommend the AGM for you! Sweet easy starting price and easy to get upgrades and parts for. Ratech has them with the fps adjuster built in for cheap. The only part I would highly recommend changing asap is the platic nozzle as I have heard many of them fail.

Now as far as using them goes: Don't expect to use them in cold weather games. Unless you have a means of keeping your mags hot (pain relief heat pads work awesome as liners for your pouches!)
Expect fluctuating fps as it gets cold/hotter (big advantage of being able to adjust fps)
Easiest means of increasing fps if you are going for a sniper load out (i.e. me) Is any precision barrel. 6.03 or tighter. My insanely high priced 509 mm from pdi at 6.01 will run a pretty penny but edgi makes them for half what I paid! Hope this helps!! Or ask any other questions!

my sweetness:

[H.C.O Fox]

First off, I would like to thank both of you, and who ever else interjects their input into the discussion. Secondly, kingarmssniper, that is a sexy gun u have there. Where did you order your gun from, and where could I find these other guns that have the velocity regulator built into them or sold at for $30 shipped? Also, one of the M4s that I am looking at, the EA M4 (ehobbyasia.com) says that it uses that same system as the WA M4. So with that, am I able to put in, lets say a WA bolt carrier, heavy recoil bolt, inceased reciol buffer springs, etc.... that were built for the WA M4 GBB system? Thanks again!! [smilie=armata_pdt_06.gif]

[Kingarmssniper]

First off, I would like to thank both of you, and who ever else interjects their input into the discussion. Secondly, kingarmssniper, that is a sexy gun u have there. Where did you order your gun from, and where could I find these other guns that have the velocity regulator built into them or sold at for $30 shipped? Also, one of the M4s that I am looking at, the EA M4 (ehobbyasia.com) says that it uses that same system as the WA M4. So with that, am I able to put in, lets say a WA bolt carrier, heavy recoil bolt, increased recoil buffer springs, etc.... that were built for the WA M4 GBB system? Thanks again!! [smilie=armata_pdt_06.gif]

Well...I had seen it on ebaybanned so you should get a hold of them to see if they have anymore. Otherwise redwolf has the more expensive ra tech version in a complete plastic nozzle like I have for $80. I can't seem to find the ebaybanned one! Its possible legal action was taken by Ratech to prevent them from selling it.

My gun started off as the G&P WOC tank, for 600 shipped from redwolf though there are now cheaper G&P wocs now. And has since undergone many changes, I have three different barrels, two different stocks, three inner barrels (two from pdi that are 6.01 one a cqb and the other the 509 m16 length for sniping). It was so very inaccurate with the standard barrel as almost all the m4s are. I think all of the barrels that any are sold with are 6.08 and as short as the tank one was it was pretty inaccurate haha so I picked up two longer ones. More pics here to see its other faces: http://s1001.photobucket.com/albums/af1 ... rhead_woc/

And yeah the heavy recoil stuff is really fun, just remember when using the heavier recoil, you need to increase the strength of your hammer spring (130% or more!) to insure that your gun will properly fire each time otherwise the gas released will not be enough to overcome the stiffness of the spring!

[H.C.O Fox]

Ok, the AGM on ebaybanned, will it work if I put the steel nozzle and bolt carrier into the AGM? Is there anything else I should replace/change on the AGM? And the negative pressure, that is the NPAS system right?  Thanks again!

[Kingarmssniper]

Ok, the AGM on ebaybanned, will it work if I put the steel nozzle and bolt carrier into the AGM? Is there anything else I should replace/change on the AGM? And the negative pressure, that is the NPAS system right?  Thanks again!

yup thats the adjusting system system. All you'll need now is expensive as hell but reliable ghk magazines! btw never expect perfection out of a china made gun! But there's definitely a way for the will lol.

and btw while your at it you should grab the aluminum hop up chamber and a new nub for it while you are at it. I hear the hop is really weak on the standard!!

[busta_cap]

I can second the fact PDI barrels are the best out there. If you get the real Japanese versions they come in a steel tube. The  barrels themselves are cold hammered steel and have a flawless mirror finish inside and out.

So KAS,

Because I am also considering a GBB m4 variant...what If I get the WEtech? I thought they made an adjustable bolt for that?

[Kingarmssniper]

They do, RAtech makes them preinstalled for 400 totally customized with a new handgrip and npas and it comes with a co2 mag.

Thing about the we guns though: they guns destroy themselves over time.

The internals are just not made to withstand the pounding of green or co2 gas for more than a few thousand rounds. Many guys (UK guys) are so fed up with the WE system that there is literally a hugely popular topic of throwing your we guns out the window. Between their SCARs that have constantly failing externals, and their m4s with internals that blow apart. WE is desperate in the gbb market and if you know that they are putting out a Knights Armament PDW is because if this one fails they will lose an enormous chunk of their followings. That gun was suppose to be released two months ago and now they are pushing it back because the prototypes keep breaking.

I don't hate WE I just don't think they made as accurate, or as well performing a replica as the WA system. I know the original WA gbb m4s were utterly fail, but both G&P and chinese clones have made the internals easy to swap out and upgrade. The only thing a WA gun needs to perform as well as my G&P did stock is a new hammer($70 from RA tech it has never broken for anyone) and a steel bolt stop!  
Of course I Don't like the plastic bodies of the WA guns.

What I should have done for cheaper than what I did:
Buy an AGM:176 shipped
Buy RA tech 4 function fire selector internals: 170
Buy RA tech aluminum nozzle npas: 150
Buy PDI inner barrel: 150
total: $646
For 150 more than a WE gun you get literally the best internals money can buy

That pretty much makes the Best gbb m4 you can buy besides buying some insanely expensive $500 cnc prime body.
That gives your complete steel internals (including hammer, fire selector, and trigger everything that can ever break is now full steel)
Insane fps with a pdi barrel, (or edgi makes 6.00 barrels for like half the price I just always trust PDI more!)
Ability to control fps with the NPAS
Super high rate of fire as the stock bolt carrier on the AGM is actually fairly light which reduces kick but accuracy and rof go up

Then you would just need plenty of mags!

[H.C.O Fox]

My friend, where can I get all those materials you listed? =P~

[Kingarmssniper]

My friend, where can I get all those materials you listed? =P~

haha I would suggest the AGM from ebaybanned, everything RA tech i put for you below the trigger kit you would want is the 4 select version allowing you to go safe, semi, 3round burst, full auto! Each 60 degree click is the next function It is UBER freaking sweet wish I had it But I can't justify buying $170 For three round burst. But you can for the money you save!
Trigger kit:
http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=5759 for ambi
http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=5760 regular
NPAS:
http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=4969 aluminum version
Hop up:
http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=4230 chamber
http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=4269 reinforced nub
Barrel:
http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/se ... AxNDU3Njt9
depending on how long you want it.

Also there is a coupon code somewhere for like 5% off so you can save some mula!

and the only place I know where to get pdi is from redwolf!
Oh and the inner barrel is by ratech who makes an awesome barrel its 6.03 inner barrel if you like! that puts the fps at max like 570!! that's plenty! Only if you are going for sniper would I suggest the pdi as its insanely expensive for just the barrel

[t_hum]

Get a KJW.  Plain and simple.  Both Raven1 and I have put thousands upon thousands of rounds through ours.  Many other players have done the same all without a failure or the NEED to buy parts for it to keep it running.  Both of us have had AGMs (Raven1 spent well over a thousand in parts for his and it still had issues).

If youre in the valley and would like to see/hold/shoot a KJW I can meet up one day at gearbox.  Drop me a PM if youre interested.

[Raven1]

You should probably read up on this thread,,,

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=25288

But hey, it's Only Money Right,,,

[Big Bird]

Just my opinion but I would wait for the KWA GBB rifles to hit the market in a month and a half. You can't go wrong with a KWA, video review from airsoftology here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wANa1XbUwU4