Airsoft Arizona
Airsoft Hardware => Spring Power!! => Topic started by: Antagonist on May 21, 2006, 11:41:56 AM
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http://www.airsplat.com/Items/AR-UA-315-TAC9.htm (http://www.airsplat.com/Items/AR-UA-315-TAC9.htm)
Supposedly shoots 500 FPS off the shelf. Anyone know if it's worth it for $140?
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It shoots more like 250 FPS off the shelf.
Definitely don't buy that.
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Know anything else around that price range that will get the job done for a sniper?
Edit: Or anything else $300 or lower that would work well
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Nothing. Sniping is the one of the most expensive roles in airsoft and to do it right costs a lot of money.
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Thanks for the heads up. In that case how much am I looking to shell out for rifle that can compete? I'm also looking to not use gas rifles because I'm to lazy to get gas everytime I want to play.
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New, about $600 for a baseline semi-upgraded VSR-10 or APS2.
Brando is selling a pretty good APS2 right now for $350 dollars I believe. PM him.
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I own the Tac nine v-3, its the latest version of the rifle, and i love it! out of the box it shot about 325 but i have it upgraded now to shoot about 450 with .20's. the only thing i have with the gun is when im using .20 rounds... even with the hop up the rounds wing left and right... BAD... so i use .25 or .28 if im pllaying with friends and that pretty much eliminates the problem. The only other thing (which isnt a problem its more of a qualm lol) is that all of the inner parts are plastic and a pain in the ass to put back together... but other than that its a good gun for what you pay
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Great afforable marksman/sniper rifles that require little or no upgrades to get the job done:
KJW MK1 carbine (400+fps upgradable to 600+) 200'+ range
KJW M700 (300-600fps) 150-250' range
HFC VSR-10 (my personal choice) 330fps stock (few mods @ no cost get it to 360fps) upgrades to 500+fps can get expensive. shoots great @ 400fps w/ 250' accuracy
TM VSR-11 stock 280fps 150' range (upgrades same as HFC but cost a lot more) Most expensive of this catagory
Others that can cost "bu-coo" bucks:
M-14
SL-8 or 9
SVD dragunov
M4 set up SR-15/SR-25
AUG
PSG-1
SG-1
Any AEG ANY!! Might not look good, but if it works it works.
Plus whatever else you come up with.
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Any AEG works, but doesn't a large scope on an MP5 just look plain stupid?
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Nothing. Sniping is the one of the most expensive roles in airsoft and to do it right costs a lot of money.
I would have to disagree on this one. Sure Sniping "can" be one of the most expensive roles for airsoft...in the spring gun area. However I have researched many teams and find that most are moving to the gas-powered area.
I picked up a KJW M700P sniper rifle for 230.00 dollars. Stock and with the restrictor removed, it fires a 0.36 @512.00FPS. Not bad for a clone rifle.
:D
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I really enjoy the HFC VSR-11. Spent about $250 (including gun) and got it to shoot about ~440fps with .25's. Took it out to a game last Sunday and it really kicked a$$!
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Erk, any of you guys on Arniesairsoft yet? There is a 140 dollar (after shipping) L96 clone that DOES shoot 500 fps stock w/ .2's and is almost a 100% coppy of the Maruzen L96... www.gunnerairsoft.com (http://www.gunnerairsoft.com) i believe caries em. They come with a free scope.
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I would have to disagree on this one. Sure Sniping "can" be one of the most expensive roles for airsoft...in the spring gun area. However I have researched many teams and find that most are moving to the gas-powered area.
I picked up a KJW M700P sniper rifle for 230.00 dollars. Stock and with the restrictor removed, it fires a 0.36 @512.00FPS. Not bad for a clone rifle.
:D
Gas rifles aren't consistent, and are also variable depending on weather conditions. They shoot hard, sure, but without running a regulator and a constant-air source, you're probably not going to get the required accuracy shot after shot to warrant carrying one on the field over an upgraded AEG. Besides, yours is a little hot for most field use.
Most players tend to forget that the "sniper" role in airsoft isn't about taking the "one shot, one kill" mentality, it's more about recon, surveillance, and proper use as a hidden force-multiplier.
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Thats a very good point. Most who try there hand at sniping need to realize that is it not all about taking that one shot one kill. Most would say that sniping in Airsoft is a waist of time. Sniping has many uses in Airsoft if applied properly. True, you may not always go out and find a shot, your mission would be Recon, etc... But if you had a clean shot on a hight priorty enemy player...take it!
As for my rifle...it is shootin a little hot. I'm going to swtich out the ammo and go a little more heavy. I f that does not do the trick...I may have to put the regulator back in. I can engage targets at over 130 feet. I would think that by the time you reach your target...the bb would have slowed down enough to not ruin the target's day! LOL
I still need to fine tune it. But I will get there. As far as consistant wise...there are tricks to solve the problem. Plus Arizona is a desert and the temps are fairly moderate. Now playing in Flagstaff would require a a MRE heater on your mag or somthing of that nature.
Sure I could use an AEG. But when I came into Airosft a wanted to be realistic for the sake of MilSim and to get more into the game like others. I don't know of any nation or standing army who uses a Semi-Automatic sniper weapon excep the Russian Army with the SVD.
Plus I have always had a soft spot for a bolt-action!
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As for my rifle...it is shootin a little hot. I'm going to swtich out the ammo and go a little more heavy. I f that does not do the trick...I may have to put the regulator back in. I can engage targets at over 130 feet. I would think that by the time you reach your target...the bb would have slowed down enough to not ruin the target's day! LOL
When people take FPS measurements they are not measuring the speed of bb, but the energy behind it. Using a heavier bb to lower the FPS just to make it "legal" does not make the impact energy any less dangerous.
This is why the AA rules state "400 FPS w/ .20 BBs", and "500 FPS w/ .20BBs".
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Erk, any of you guys on Arniesairsoft yet? There is a 140 dollar (after shipping) L96 clone that DOES shoot 500 fps stock w/ .2's and is almost a 100% coppy of the Maruzen L96... www.gunnerairsoft.com (http://www.gunnerairsoft.com) i believe caries em. They come with a free scope.
Have you, or anyone here, purchased this gun? I've been looking for a cheap rifle for a while, and want to know any thoughts on this gun.
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Well then it would seen that AA will need to place Airsoft Wepaon Restrictions on the games. OR we will have to open up the minimum distance for a sniper shot from 50 to perhaps 75 or 100 for stock gas-powered and high-end gas powered rifles.
Regardless, we may have to re-evaluate the rules in regards to airsoft weapons because the industry is coming out with ever more powerful replicas.
Pistols would not matter, and as always people have the option to surrender.
I will have to figure out a way to bring down the FPS just a little for play during AA games.
I'll keep you fella's posted.
SIERRA-8
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Most players tend to forget that the "sniper" role in airsoft isn't about taking the "one shot, one kill" mentality, it's more about recon, surveillance, and proper use as a hidden force-multiplier.[/quote]
Actually its ALL ABOUT recon, surveillance, and proper use as a hidden force-multiplier
If a team (or group) has a sniper and or multiple snipers and they hold key points "high ground" they dont even need to fire a shot they can feed the team enough intell as to movment that the other team is or is not making. I would say in my own opinion that --optics-- (range finders, binoculars, and scopes) are as much an important tool to the sniper as his -weapons systems-, and lets not foget --tracking-- is also essential to a snipers suvivability factor (as well as his teams)
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Most players tend to forget that the "sniper" role in airsoft isn't about taking the "one shot, one kill" mentality, it's more about recon, surveillance, and proper use as a hidden force-multiplier.
Actually its ALL ABOUT recon, surveillance, and proper use as a hidden force-multiplier
If a team (or group) has a sniper and or multiple snipers and they hold key points "high ground" they dont even need to fire a shot they can feed the team enough intell as to movment that the other team is or is not making.
And how would they "hold key points" without firing a shot? It's been quite a few years since I was intimidated just by having a dreaded, mythical "sniper" on the field. The ability to out range an opponent can also be a great advantage to a squad, in addition to the points I made in the last post.
In conclusion, it's not "ALL ABOUT recon, surveillance, and proper use as a hidden force-multiplier," occasionally you need to tune someone (in the face!) at a distance greater than what they can engage you, along with those points.
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Well then it would seen that AA will need to place Airsoft Wepaon Restrictions on the games. OR we will have to open up the minimum distance for a sniper shot from 50 to perhaps 75 or 100 for stock gas-powered and high-end gas powered rifles.
Regardless, we may have to re-evaluate the rules in regards to airsoft weapons because the industry is coming out with ever more powerful replicas.
Official AA sponsored games do place restrictions on weapons at games. And they will not make special rules for people with "high-end" gas powered weapons, most people cant even distinguish normal engagement distances right, not to mention the amount of people that shrug off seemingly impossible bb strikes as "frendly fire" or "ricochets" you wont be getting any kills. You want a fun time, make a ghillie suit and go out there with a spring pistol.
The industry may be coming out with ever more powerful replicas, but that dosent mean out tolerance for pain gets any higher.
It isnt about the one shot one kil..... oh wait that has already been said 4 times.
I seccond what Vince says, I dropped over $1K into an APS-2 and it performed so poorly it nearly made me quit this airball. I have an SPR that has range and is automatic, I love it.
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It's been quite a few years since I was intimidated just by having a dreaded, mythical "sniper" on the field.
One time, at this one game, in Tucson...