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Offline Wolf

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« on: December 01, 2003, 07:30:11 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">HOWEVER, unlike last year's "just another gun show", H&K will have their first major presence at a US show. You can promo their line and ask questions of actual H&K personnel. They are supposed to have a firing range (small) for people to test fire their guns, too. It's a very big deal if you're an HK fan. They are billing it as HK Fest on some sites, and by other names elsewhere, but it's definitely a different show this time around because of it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
 I'm not sure, but I think I saw a post on the HKPro forums saying that HK will still be there, but they cancelled the promo (you can't shoot their firearms.)
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Sounds fun. Anyone know what weapons they will let you fire? Just generic MP5's or possibly SD's?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
 I'm guessing ([?]) that you would need to be 18 to fire their weapons even if they only had handguns.
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2003, 08:23:06 PM »
Everyone should go if they have never been to one this time of year.Anything you want,you can find...minus the RPGs.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2003, 08:25:24 PM »
You've got to go to Queen Creek to pick those up.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2003, 08:34:35 PM »
Queen creek rulz!
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2003, 10:03:58 PM »
AH! I just put my two weeks in at work, so I can't go unless my day ends early! [:(] Oh well, I guess if H&K cancelled their promo, I'm fine (sort of). I can't shoot my M96 for crap (for some strange reason. I shoot a lot of other things jsut fine), so anything else I could have tried would have been nice.

I got to hold an P-90 last year. That thing was sick. Tiny little gun, very light, but very well balanced. Too bad I can't buy one! [:D] If you think pre-ban AUG's are expensive . . . !!!
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2003, 10:28:33 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Basher</i>
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I got to hold an P-90 last year. That thing was sick. Tiny little gun, very light, but very well balanced. Too bad I can't buy one! [:D] If you think pre-ban AUG's are expensive . . . !!!
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Actually, the P90 is nowhere NEAR as expensive as a preban AUG.  A civialian CAN own a preban AUG if you have the money (easily over $5K for a semi auto one).  A full auto P90 only costs about $2K at Arizona Gun Runners.  A semi auto P90 costs about $1.5K at the same store.  However, civilians CANNOT own a P90, so it's a moot point.
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2003, 10:53:54 PM »
Me and Solitary are going Saturday if anyone wants to know. Why is an AUG so expensive pre-ban?
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2003, 11:20:04 PM »
Not many were here in the US before the ban hit.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2003, 06:02:27 AM »
Actually, I have been finding several pre-ban, semi auto AUGs for @ $3000-3500.
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2003, 06:32:31 AM »
At that price, are you sure it's not  USR rather than an AUG?  They look the same, but the AUG is much more costly.  The only AUG (NOT "USR/AUG") I have seen for that low of a price was $3.5K and was well used, came with no mags, no box, etc.  Mind if I ask where you saw them for that price, because if they are AUG's and not USR's, $3K for a preban AUG is a steal of a price, and since AUG's can't be imported any more, they will only go up in value.  A very good investment.
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2003, 07:01:40 AM »
Vell knows what a USR and a Pre-ban AUG looks like.  I've been with him and we've looked at both.  A pre-ban AUG does not have a thumb hole stock and has a factory flash hider as well as a quick take down latch.  The USR has a thumb hole stock, no take down latch, (you can add a pre-ban latch though), and no flash hider.  There are deals out there if you shop around.  Bear Arms, The Armory, the gun shows, they're out there.
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2003, 08:33:26 AM »
I don't doubt it, but I was just making sure.  There are ALWAYS the deals and steals out there...  there's always that good find on a preban AR-15 for $800, but I was posting the common prices that I had seen for the guns.  Basher was saying how the P90's were more expensive than preban AUG's and I just wanted to see how he came to that conclusion since everything I have seen says the opposite, but it's a moot point anyway since P90's can't be sold to civilians AFAIK.

Here are some USR's:  
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewIt ... m=13957207
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewIt ... m=14032490

All the one's I've seen for sale usually go for $1800 (HEAVILY used) to $2500.

Here are a couple AUG's:
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewIt ... m=13881721
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewIt ... m=13967017

That second one is only $3K (cheapest preban AUG I have seen), but it looks to be VERY heavily used and scratched up quite a bit.
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2003, 09:13:09 AM »
The trouble with AR's is that it's too easy to make a postban gun into a preban configuration.  For a USR to AUG converstion it costs way too much to do and you'd end up having to sell it for more than a preban is worth to get your money out of it.
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2003, 11:09:23 AM »
The full auto AUGs can fetch insane amounts of money, but the pre ban semi AUGs are about the same as Galils in price range, give or take $500.  The P90, even if civies could buy them, would be useless to any civie since th eammo itself is illegal for civilia purchase.  Too much penetration ability.
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2003, 11:44:04 AM »
Well, my point in saying that the P90 was not legal for civilians to own was just because of that:  the ammo is not legal for civilians (because it's AP), which is why no one will sell the P90 to civilians (with a 16" barrel of course).  I have seen people try to procure one for collecting purposes only (not buy any ammo) and no one will sell a 16" barrel version to a civilian (the guy planned on covering up the extended barrel with a faux suppressor).

(looking up some stuff)

Well, I stand corrected.  It looks like FN has finally taken a bow to the almighty dollar.  They are now willing to allow their Five-Seven pistol (uses same ammo as P90) to be sold to civilians.  It normally only came with 20 rd mags, but now they make 10 rd mags for it so civilians can buy it.  The ammo is now appearing for sale legally to civilains (non AP):

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976328128.htm
http://www.impactguns.com/store/fn_5_7_ss192_ammo.html
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