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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2004, 08:30:05 AM »
In fact, here's a fellow ARFCOM'er who is a NY resident and was there (at ground zero) during the attacks, and what he had to say about the "WTC Building #7" thing you mentioned:

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I was there, I saw how it happened. There weren't any small fires, there were RAGING INFERNOS inside that building that covered most of the skyline in pitch black smoke. The first claim of that website that, "small fires" leveled it are false.

I watched as the firemen pulled back because of its leaning inward and how it was RAGING out of control. Tin foil hatasses have nothing on my first hand knowledge as I watched and TOOK PICTURES of the building burning. I will send you the pics if you want to post them of the smoke coming from the building that covered the city in that pitch smoke. I also have a direct, head on shot of the building burning on just about every floor.

The truth is that the building was the home to the emergency command center, which had diesel backup generators. The WTC collapse punctured a diesel tank and started the diesel inferno, similar to the WTC fire, which was fueled by a combustible material....OIL. That allowed the building to heat up to a temp that caused its collapse. We LISTENED to the building imploding as the steel beams broke under the heat of fire and the building came to the ground.

Want those pics to post? IM me your email addy.
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If you want his email address, let me know.

More from him:

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An hour or so before the building went down, the decision was made to withdraw firefighters from it and allow it to burn. The "loss of life" was the FDNY's own people and they didn't want to lose anymore FDNY that day, so they opted to leave it, let it burn and see if it stood after the fires.

There were NO explosives set off. There were two times before it collapsed that the FDNY and rescuers were pulled from the debris zone because of grumblings in the building and there was a HUGE buffer zone between the building and all personnel because they knew it was going to go down.

Silverstein had no authority to allow or disallow the building's destruction, he was commenting on how the FDNY withdrew. There were also NO demolition crews, nor could they get into the building, since every floor was on fire. The smoke "demolition trail" pics they show on the site would have been impossible, unless the demolition workers were fire proof.

And as far as objects hitting the building, [that's] wrong. Large pieces of the WTC struck the face, punctured the diesel tank and set the building on fire. The black smoke in my pictures smelled and LOOKED like an oil fire while I was there. The smell was undeniable, even though mixed in with "other" odors on the site.

EXPLOSIVES WERE IMPOSSIBLE AND THIS CLAIM IS BULL****.

If you want to take these whacko's claims, then do so. But they were not there, they do not have all of the facts and they are deliberately not adding all of the facts to make you question what happened. The building burnt until it fell, that's the end of the story
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There you go.  Of course, I doubt that will sway your opinion that the WTC attacks were some big conspiracy that involved our gov't...  (or whatever the latest tinfoil hat theory about the WTC attacks happens to be...)  [:D]
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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2004, 09:53:58 AM »
Hmmmm... whatcha got to say to that Lead???!!! [;)]
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« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2004, 11:11:11 AM »
What explosives was he referring to? I dont remember hearing anyone say it was a demo charge that took down the building. I think its pretty clear that melted steel did that. As for our gov't being involved, thats another topic. This is about the collapse itself...
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« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2004, 11:30:47 AM »
The discussion was about the web site that he posted which was indicating that there was some conspiracy as to why the building collapsed.  At least that's how I saw it.

http://www.wtc7.net/
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« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2004, 12:11:18 PM »
thats retarded, explosives were set off in the building, riiiiight. Next thing you know, they'll say the videos of the planes actually hitting were CGI...
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« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2004, 01:06:45 PM »
now, im not a conspiracy nut on this, but there were SEVERAL people stating that they saw plane one hit, and that it had no windows, was a cargo plane.  also, it HAS been pointed out that the insulation on the steel beams SHOULD have been enough to prevent the steel from melting.  so neighter tower should have collapsed.  they were built in such a way that a fire was supposed to have simply left a steel latice work standing.  its been shown that teh concrete insullation was anywere from 8 inches to a foot and a half less thick than it should have been.  so....


now, what i wonder about.  what the heck took air control and norad so long to respond?
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« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2004, 01:18:37 PM »
Respond how? By grounding planes you mean? Well for starters, theres already thousands of planes already in the air at that time, what do you do with those? Have they been taken hostage as well? I doubt theres a "Captured Airliner Into Buildings" section in the emergency handbook for them to look at. They had to basically wing it as they went through, I'm sure...
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« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2004, 02:03:17 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Harley</i>
<br />Hmmmm... whatcha got to say to that Lead???!!! [;)]
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What do you want me to do?  Email Paco's buddy the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory to determine his credibility?

On the other hand, the results could prove interesting.

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« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2004, 02:05:07 PM »
"I knows a guy who waz thar and thats that!"
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« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2004, 02:35:07 PM »
That's always the response for this type of thing.  If you really want to, you could pull a conspiracy out of just about ANYTHING that happens.  If you ask me, you're trying too hard.

Leakingpen - there are two videos of the first plane strike and it was NOT a "cargo jet".  Even if it were, what do you propose happened to American Airlines Flight 11, carrying 81 passengers and 11 crew members - is the gov't holding them hostage in some underground bunker somewhere?  [;)]

Also, ask ANY structural engineer and they will tell you that both towers did EXACTLY what they were supposed to given what happened.
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« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2004, 02:39:38 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Paco</i>
<br /> If you really want to, you could pull a conspiracy out of just about ANYTHING that happens.  
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Well, I certainly wouldn't disagree with you on that point.

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« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2004, 06:03:56 PM »
As for the fire retardant issue, the retardant isnt made to handle explosions.  When the plane crashed into the building and exploded it blew off most of that fire retardant.  It is not held on there by an indestructable bond, the movement of the the fierce air contusion from the blast broke the light bonds holding the retardant to the steel beams.  Thus leaving the beams exposed to the intense inferno that followed.
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« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2004, 08:19:50 PM »
I am watching a show on the right now on WTC histiry channel , Building number 7 fell 7 hours after the first tower, they said an unchecked fire burn for 7 hours in the building,
let it be know building number 7 was the command post for New York City,  
still sound kinda fishy, In ever heard about the building  till now

the shows on right NOW on the history channel
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« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2004, 09:49:28 AM »
stoli, respond as in put out an alert and have a jet in the air checking it out.  for example, bare weeks earlier, a politician flying his personal plane had a heart attack.  his plane left preaproved flight plan.  atc tried to reach him on the radio, failed.  3 minutes and some odd seconds later, an f16 was flying alongside, looking in the cockpit window, reporting that he appeared to be dead.  there was a 20 minute window between the first plane going off course, with transponders OFF, and the first jet slamming into wtc.  on a day in which norad was in training, and there was a pair of f-16's, fueled, pilot 20 feet away ready to go, 4 minutes from where the plane went off course.  norad did not activate till after wtc was hit.  its widely believed that the destroyed atc tapes are the atc's discussing norads being ordered to stand down.
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« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2004, 10:05:17 AM »
No doubt the ATC's were asleep at the wheel, I won't argue that point.  We have to deal with "what is" and not "what could have been" at this point.
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