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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2004, 01:29:19 PM »
I am not saying islam is that terrible im just saying most of the rebels are islam "extremists" not all the iraqui people
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2004, 01:35:38 PM »
Theyre is bad people in lots of religions, for example in christianity the crusades, but that is not the fault of the religion, though in islam it is more leneant towards the crusades and  stuff. not all islams are bad, and I have studied islam. i dont want to debate over it so if you reply i probably wont answer i will just whatch
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2004, 02:51:35 PM »
Well, even if you don't respond, just know that the religion is called islam and the people are called muslims (not "islams").

With a quick google search, I found this page. From what I glanced at, it seems to be a good explanation of the religion:

http://www.muslim-answers.org/Introducing-Islam/miscons.htm

heroicfighter199: It isn't anything personal. It's just that this kinda stuff really irks me. Some of my best friends are muslims (from afghanistan).
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2004, 06:58:27 PM »
Sorry that I am so biased but I HAVE studied the Koran and take the direct word of what they wrote and other respected literature by muslims if you want to continue the conversation please do not respond to this on this forum rather make a new one. And as I said before NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD in fact most of them are peacfull. Why did they comit suicide on  the twin towers if it were not for theyr religion please point out otherwise If u feel like starting a new forum. and by the way I did know between muslims and islam. probably not anything you could do could change my mind but if you want to continue the chat(i dont consider it a debate)please start a new forum. I have islam friends also
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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2004, 01:05:19 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by USMC-Greg</i>
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I have something to say about those misconceptions. A lot of them aren't misconceptions.

I think what fighter is getting at, is that all these things that the terrorists do are in the name of Allah, and usually they are justified by the Koran. But if we're going to argue about what is right and wrong, we should do that in the other thread.

Still, I am lost as to how people can deny that fundamental Islam perpetuates this kind of violence.
Such sick violence. So terrible.
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2004, 08:56:35 AM »
noone denies that FUNDAMENTAL Islam perpetrates it.  the arguement comes when people say all muslims are like that.  just as most christians get pissed when non christians make the assumption that all christians are fundamentall arsewipes like fallwell and swaggert.
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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2004, 10:26:28 AM »
Say what you will but the basic ideals of Islam are not peace. A good part of the Koran does command death to the infidels. Are there many many Muslums that don't join in in what the radicals are doing.....yes, but they also are not standing up and doing anything against it either.  And before you go spouting that there's violence in the bible, yes there was in the Old Testament and nowhere does it command us to go out and kill anyone that does not believe what we do. Does it command us to try to preach the gospel to all the world......yes, but is tells us to do it using love and compassion, not hate and a blade. Do I have friends that are muslums....you bet. Would I turn my back to them if they had a sword in there hand.....NO FREAKING WAY!!!!!
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2004, 06:58:29 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />noone denies that FUNDAMENTAL Islam perpetrates it.
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Err... did you see the website?

http://www.muslim-answers.org/Introduci ... iscons.htm

I would be filthy rich if I had a nickel for every time I have heard someone say "Islam is a religion of peace", and they always talk like their doctrine is the basis of most Islamic religion around the world, when clearly it is opposite.
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2004, 12:30:02 PM »
If anyone here wants to continue this conversation, I've started a new topic called "Islam and The War on Terror."
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2004, 02:23:42 PM »
yellow, yeah, i did.  it states that islam is a religion of piece.  am i missing something?

victor.  yeah, all the time.  a big chunk of the ot is wars where god commanded the people of god to kill.  did you read the psalm i mentioned?  the people of god captured a city.  and god commanded them to kill all the men, and all the children before puberty.  take all the babies, and smash there heads on the rocks of the river babylon, put the toddlers and older to the sword, keep the women for breeding stock.  but to keep any others of the captured cities tribes males from existing, any prgnant women, cut open their bellies and remove the fetusses, and toss them in the river.  this is the word of god, as given to solomon.
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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2004, 08:21:32 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />yellow, yeah, i did.  it states that islam is a religion of piece.  am i missing something?

victor.  yeah, all the time.  a big chunk of the ot is wars where god commanded the people of god to kill.  did you read the psalm i mentioned?  the people of god captured a city.  and god commanded them to kill all the men, and all the children before puberty.  take all the babies, and smash there heads on the rocks of the river babylon, put the toddlers and older to the sword, keep the women for breeding stock.  but to keep any others of the captured cities tribes males from existing, any prgnant women, cut open their bellies and remove the fetusses, and toss them in the river.  this is the word of god, as given to solomon.
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The point is that Islam is not a religion of peace. Muslims are some of the most bloodthirsty advocates of evil since the nation of Crete and Nazis.

Islam is not a religion of peace. It's more violent than Judaism has been in the last 2,000 years. It has cost the more human lives than were lost in WWI and WWII on both sides.

You think the Old Testament is violent, look at any book of the Koran. The OT certianly does have a do or die flavor, but the Koran advocates MUCH more violence on a daily basis.

Unlike in the Bible, the people of god (Muslims) don't need the spoken word of their god to go to war. They can just get up and Jihad whenever they feel like it.

(Ohh yeah, and I know that someone is going to mention Bush and the war in Iraq and say that he is doing the same thing, but that's not why we went to war. Unfortunately we went to war becasue we wanted to feel safe about WMD's and icky terrorists, not to stop the spread of Islam.)

If the ture God (the Father of Jesus) ever flet like exterminating a group of people in the Bible's OT , He had the right and the reason to do it. The Koran doesn't work that way. The Koran says you can get up and kill anyone as long as they reject Allah and you call it Jihad.

All you have to do to commit a genocide in the Middle East is get a bunch of Islamic fundamentalists to say that it's alright and it's on with the killing.

The Muslims killed non-converts and enslaved the souls of millions of people throughout Asia, the Middle East, and, currently, Africa. The very best example of an invasion of Islam into any nation is that of India. It is for this reason that India is still at war with Pakistan.

And who backs all this Islamic violence up? It is none other than the capital of the Nation of Islam, the most terribly violent nation on the earth at this time... Iran.
You want a proper Islamic education, you want to find the heart of Islam, you want to find the place where all the terrorist leaders come from? Go to Iran I tell you, go to Iran. One of the worlds only theocracies! A nation ruled by Islam. Can you imagine what it would be like... a nation ruled by Islam? Why, it would be very much like Iran, and Iran is such a terribly evil place.

Listen to any Islamic cleric from the middle east. The version of Islam that we have here in America and in Europe is the corrupt, liberal version of Islam. You want true Islam? Visit camp X-Ray.

I don't advocate violence against these people, but I sure ain't going to stand around and say... "Hey it's their religion... it's OK!"
Islam is a false religion. Islam is built and can only be sustained by lies, a mob mentallity, and killing. If you have found a version of Islam that does not include those things then it is not true Islam.

Boy I sure could rant for about 5 more paragraphs, but I think I'll save you all some reading. [|)]
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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2004, 10:34:26 AM »
so...  your entire arguement is, yeah, the ot advocates violence, but its at my gods behest, so its okay.

do i have that right?

****.   you are REALLY frightening me now.  one has to wonder if you support falwells latest statement...
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2004, 12:32:24 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />so...  your entire arguement is, yeah, the ot advocates violence, but its at my gods behest, so its okay.

do i have that right?

****.   you are REALLY frightening me now.  one has to wonder if you support falwells latest statement...
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Yep, you have me exactly right.
Like I have said, if God created you, then He has the right to un-create you any way he wants.

I'm not sure what Falwell statement you are talking about though. I'm actually not very familiar with the man. I have not read any of his literature.
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2004, 02:44:36 PM »
he stated that if a gay man looked at him sexually, he would kill him and tell god the guy died.

and yellow, i have no problem with god deciding to take a life.  falling trees, lightening bolts, heart attacks, rain of frogs.  whatever.  its people claiming that god told them to kill that bugs me.
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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2004, 03:14:47 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />he stated that if a gay man looked at him sexually, he would kill him and tell god the guy died.

and yellow, i have no problem with god deciding to take a life.  falling trees, lightening bolts, heart attacks, rain of frogs.  whatever.  its people claiming that god told them to kill that bugs me.
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Well if Falwell thinks he can hide his killing from God, then he is mistaken. Plus, reacting with such violence is certianly out of order.

Yeah, it's definitly hard to think of God using people as tools. It's the fact that we have free choice that makes it such a hard concept. Who's to say that God told them? I don't know how to prove that God told the Jews to kill those people except to trust in the Bible.

So like I said, God doesn't work in such violent ways in our times (or so it seems), but the forces of evil certianly have no trouble doing such horrible things. Terrible. I hope that that British guy gets released or rescued. I feel so sorry for his family, knowing what might happen.

*Upon later research, I found this article on Falwells web sight.
http://falwell.com/?a=news&news=prswhy

I don't understand where you get that quote from.
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