Boy Scouts of America...

[Firehead]

i quit right before i made the eagle requirements. My troop got too gay, and i had to quit. I couldnt stand the stupid kids coming in. It pissed me off...but before that it was great fun. That is where i learned alot of the outdoorsy stuff i know now.

[cmptrdewd]

I applaud the fact that the BSA are sticking to their guns when it comes to their values, heritage and background.  With society pushing to remove things like "In God We Trust" from money, "God" from the Pledge of Allegiance and "God" from so many other things, it's refreshing to see an organization take a stand.

Keeping America a secular state is necessary for democracy.

Shoule, this nation was founded on moral and (this one's gonna fire you up) Christian values! And I don't know what you mean about "keeping it a secular state", it didn't start out that way!

Look at America! It's going down the drain! And you know why? Because of people like you trying to erase God from our nation.

You remember 9/11? What a horrible thing that happened? People ask' "Why would God let this happen?" And got an answer for that!
God made everything perfect until we screwed things up! We disobeyed Him and allowed sin to take over! I know poeple like to believe that God is totally in control, but the fact is, is that God gave us permission of the earth in the beginning, but then stupid, sinful us handed the permission over to sin. God only has permission to control this world if we ask!
If we stop asking and remove God from the picture, we will fall!
We are starting to see what happens when we remove God!
We see natural events of HUGE size and mass death!

We need to bring God back into our lives and homes!

This nation was made great by God and great men who served him!

[-MAD- SARGE]

Well, all I can say is that in my troop no specific religion was pushed.  They had a few silent prayers at times and you could prey to who ever or what ever you wanted.  It just basically depends on the group of leaders who are leading the troop if any type of religion is pushed.

[-Wraith-]

I applaud the fact that the BSA are sticking to their guns when it comes to their values, heritage and background.  With society pushing to remove things like "In God We Trust" from money, "God" from the Pledge of Allegiance and "God" from so many other things, it's refreshing to see an organization take a stand.

Keeping America a secular state is necessary for democracy.

Shoule, this nation was founded on moral and (this one's gonna fire you up) Christian values! And I don't know what you mean about "keeping it a secular state", it didn't start out that way!

Look at America! It's going down the drain! And you know why? Because of people like you trying to erase God from our nation.

You remember 9/11? What a horrible thing that happened? People ask' "Why would God let this happen?" And got an answer for that!
God made everything perfect until we screwed things up! We disobeyed Him and allowed sin to take over! I know poeple like to believe that God is totally in control, but the fact is, is that God gave us permission of the earth in the beginning, but then stupid, sinful us handed the permission over to sin. God only has permission to control this world if we ask!
If we stop asking and remove God from the picture, we will fall!
We are starting to see what happens when we remove God!
We see natural events of HUGE size and mass death!

We need to bring God back into our lives and homes!

This nation was made great by God and great men who served him!

I hate to direct this topic any farther off than it already is, but you sound like a street preacher in New York. "PRAISE THA LOARD! CAN YOU SAY HALA LUAYA?!". I respect your religion, and you should respect ours. If it is our choice to not believe in God, that is our problem. And hey, if you're right, we'll pay for it later. Right now, we're willing to take that risk and you shouldn't sectionalize us, or you're just as bad as you say we are. You can't prove half of those things. And, by the way, America is NOT going down the drain. We were, and still are, the most powerful and wealthy nation in the world. Also, sorry for pushing this  discussion on religion farther guys, I just had to make that statement.

[shoule02]

Well, all I can say is that in my troop no specific religion was pushed.  They had a few silent prayers at times and you could prey to who ever or what ever you wanted.  It just basically depends on the group of leaders who are leading the troop if any type of religion is pushed.

This is exactly what I experienced.

Shoule, this nation was founded on moral and (this one's gonna fire you up) Christian values!

Okay.  That's still irrelevant.  A secular state is one that places no emphasis or consideration in regard to the religion of its people.  The new Afghanistan constitution states the no law may be in contradiction to the Quoran.  That is a very good example of a theocracy (state ruled by religious authority).  The U.S. Consitution explicitly prohibits such laws and states that the authority to govern comes from the will of the people, not a holy text.  This is why I say that keeping the American government secular is necessary to preserving democracy.  If our society wishes to be devout Christians and worship God, then that is fine.  Once you start injecting religion into government you no longer have a democracy for everyone.

If someone wants to be a Christian, that's fine.  If someone wants to be something other than Christian, that's fine too.  But, whatever you consider yourself to be, don't force it others simply because they disagree with you.  That is something I learned in the Boy Scouts.

[-MAD- SARGE]

The word God is universal.  Almost everyone prays to a god.  There are few who pray to "gods'.  All I see in where the money and the pledge say god is that you fill in the blank.  I dont see an issue with it.  Its just those who tie god with jesus who have a problem. Oh and those who dont believe in a god.

[busta_cap]

Ok now guys were getting really off topic...If you want to  talk about religions, talk in another thread. I was a boy scout for a few years when I was younger but It got boring after a while and we moved to AZ in 4th grade.

[cmptrdewd]

I applaud the fact that the BSA are sticking to their guns when it comes to their values, heritage and background.  With society pushing to remove things like "In God We Trust" from money, "God" from the Pledge of Allegiance and "God" from so many other things, it's refreshing to see an organization take a stand.

Keeping America a secular state is necessary for democracy.

Shoule, this nation was founded on moral and (this one's gonna fire you up) Christian values! And I don't know what you mean about "keeping it a secular state", it didn't start out that way!

Look at America! It's going down the drain! And you know why? Because of people like you trying to erase God from our nation.

You remember 9/11? What a horrible thing that happened? People ask' "Why would God let this happen?" And got an answer for that!
God made everything perfect until we screwed things up! We disobeyed Him and allowed sin to take over! I know poeple like to believe that God is totally in control, but the fact is, is that God gave us permission of the earth in the beginning, but then stupid, sinful us handed the permission over to sin. God only has permission to control this world if we ask!
If we stop asking and remove God from the picture, we will fall!
We are starting to see what happens when we remove God!
We see natural events of HUGE size and mass death!

We need to bring God back into our lives and homes!

This nation was made great by God and great men who served him!

I hate to direct this topic any farther off than it already is, but you sound like a street preacher in New York. "PRAISE THA LOARD! CAN YOU SAY HALA LUAYA?!". I respect your religion, and you should respect ours. If it is our choice to not believe in God, that is our problem. And hey, if you're right, we'll pay for it later. Right now, we're willing to take that risk and you shouldn't sectionalize us, or you're just as bad as you say we are. You can't prove half of those things. And, by the way, America is NOT going down the drain. We were, and still are, the most powerful and wealthy nation in the world. Also, sorry for pushing this  discussion on religion farther guys, I just had to make that statement.

I rather not see anybody pay for it later! That is why I'm warning you.
If didn't care about you guys or this nation, I would not say anything. I would keep it to myself. If you study history, and I don't mean a high school text book, you see that the people who started this nation were Christians wanting to be free to worship the Lord. Also our founding fathers were devout Christians! Like Washinton and Franklin! Look it up!

I warned you of what would happen, I've done my job.

[MicrowvbleTurtle]

I warned you of what would happen, I've done my job.

What will happen?  Judgement Day?  Excuse me while I take off my soiled pants...

To topic:

I had wanted to join Boy Scouts because so many of my friends had.  They would come to school and tell stories of their backpacking adventures and so on and so forth.  When I brought it up with my mother she punched my stomach with her liberal fist and said Boy Scouts was the devil because they discriminated against gays... so incredibly stupid.

But I respect those who have wear the Eagle.

[leadmagnet]

I always thought the biggest drawback to the boy scouts was their emphasis on Christianity.

Really, quite a shame.

Lead

Christianity is a "shame"?  Wow...

Boy Scouts has nothing to do with any religion.  "Jesus" - the cornerstone of Christianity is not mentioned in any BSA material.  God, however, is.

I said that the Boy Scouts emphasis on Christianity was a shame.  But yeah, you make a good point.  I should have said that the Boy Scouts emphasis on God was a shame.

Lead is christian..but I think that he follows his own little path..

No, busta.  I’m not a Christian.  You are right though in the comment that I follow my own path.

Lead

[Paco]

I always thought the biggest drawback to the boy scouts was their emphasis on Christianity.

Really, quite a shame.

Lead

Christianity is a "shame"?  Wow...

Boy Scouts has nothing to do with any religion.  "Jesus" - the cornerstone of Christianity is not mentioned in any BSA material.  God, however, is.

I said that the Boy Scouts emphasis on Christianity was a shame.  But yeah, you make a good point.  I should have said that the Boy Scouts emphasis on God was a shame.

I'm curious if you also think that the Founding Fathers of our great nation; if you think that their emphasis on God was also a "shame"...

[Farslayer]

Stay on target.....stay on target!!

[cmptrdewd]

I always thought the biggest drawback to the boy scouts was their emphasis on Christianity.

Really, quite a shame.

Lead

Christianity is a "shame"?  Wow...

Boy Scouts has nothing to do with any religion.  "Jesus" - the cornerstone of Christianity is not mentioned in any BSA material.  God, however, is.

I said that the Boy Scouts emphasis on Christianity was a shame.  But yeah, you make a good point.  I should have said that the Boy Scouts emphasis on God was a shame.

I'm curious if you also think that the Founding Fathers of our great nation; if you think that their emphasis on God was also a "shame"...

Dude, your my hero!

[leadmagnet]

I always thought the biggest drawback to the boy scouts was their emphasis on Christianity.

Really, quite a shame.

Lead

Christianity is a "shame"?  Wow...

Boy Scouts has nothing to do with any religion.  "Jesus" - the cornerstone of Christianity is not mentioned in any BSA material.  God, however, is.

I said that the Boy Scouts emphasis on Christianity was a shame.  But yeah, you make a good point.  I should have said that the Boy Scouts emphasis on God was a shame.

I'm curious if you also think that the Founding Fathers of our great nation; if you think that their emphasis on God was also a "shame"...

Generally speaking, I don't believe that such an emphasis existed insomuch as they offset such influences with a secular approach to government.

You sure like to take issue with non-Christians.  Which brings to mind the observation that Christians tend to be among the least tolerant folks around.  Why do you think that is, Paco?

Lead

[busta_cap]

Being a non-active Christian Myself, I see the differences in influence from Church to church, these days more Christian Churches are trying to get people to convert to Christianity. When they should be helping them reach a comfortable position and stance on god no matter religion they are. I hate to say it, but I have attended a few services and types of "camps" that reminded me of Nazi Germany's brainwashing. When I went on a trip to california with my girlfriends church they had seminars where they were talking out of their ass and both of us(her even being the one who is forced into going to church every sunday)thought it was lunacy.

If god put every person on this earth to serve him, what a selfish bastard he is. He put us here to serve ourselves and make our own lives and destiny's. We may follow his words and take his advice, even pray to him for guidance and help, but to devote ones self completely to another is something I do not believe in. By the way, the church I previously referred to was CCC(Central Christian Church)