Boy Scouts of America...

[Paco]

Generally speaking, I don't believe that such an emphasis existed insomuch as they offset such influences with a secular approach to government.

You don't believe that "such an emphasis existed"?  Well...  I beg to differ.  Just comparing the political writings and musings of that time, with those of present-day - they are markedly more emphatic on "God" and His hand in the nation.  However, I suppose that's just your opinion.  :shrug:

You sure like to get piSSy with non-Christians.  Which brings to mind the observation that Christians tend to be among the least tolerant folks around.  Why do you think that is, Paco?

Lead

Non-Christians?  I'd challenge you to show me even ONE post prior to this topic when I brought it up, much less even mentioned the word "Christian" or "Jesus".  lol!

I completely disagree with your assertation that Christians are "among the least tolerant".  I tend to believe - espeicially how society continues to "progress" - that NON-Christians are actually the least tolerant - for the most part (since there are always fringe groups of any religion or non-religion for that matter).  For example, it's "politically correct" to say "Happy Chanukah", "Happy Holidays" or "Happy Quanza" but it's NOT "PC" to say "Merry Christmas" anymore.  Stores have even gone to the point to ORDER their employees not to say "Merry Christmas".  My sister works at Safeway and they told her that she couldn't say "Merry Christmas" unless someone said it to her first.  However, there were no restrictions placed on any other holidays or events.  I wonder why that is (rhetorical question)... :-k

However, this is probably better "discussed" in a new topic, as it has little to do with the intent of my original post.

[busta_cap]

Honestly, If me saying Merry Christmas offends someone, then they need some serious help.

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[leadmagnet]

Generally speaking, I don't believe that such an emphasis existed insomuch as they offset such influences with a secular approach to government.

You don't believe that "such an emphasis existed"?  Well...  I beg to differ.  Just comparing the political writings and musings of that time, with those of present-day - they are markedly more emphatic on "God" and His hand in the nation.  However, I suppose that's just your opinion.  :shrug:

Well, of course that is not what I said.  Look up and you will see that I said insomuch that such influences were offset by a secular approach to government.

I completely disagree with your assertation that Christians are "among the least tolerant".  I tend to believe - espeicially how society continues to "progress" - that NON-Christians are actually the least tolerant - for the most part (since there are always fringe groups of any religion or non-religion for that matter).  For example, it's "politically correct" to say "Happy Chanukah", "Happy Holidays" or "Happy Quanza" but it's NOT "PC" to say "Merry Christmas" anymore.  Stores have even gone to the point to ORDER their employees not to say "Merry Christmas".  My sister works at Safeway and they told her that she couldn't say "Merry Christmas" unless someone said it to her first.  However, there were no restrictions placed on any other holidays or events.  I wonder why that is (rhetorical question)... :-k

However, this is probably better "discussed" in a new topic, as it has little to do with the intent of my original post.

I've never before heard of a business that prohibits their employees from saying Merry Christmas but allows Happy Quanza or Happy Chanukah.  I think yer blowin smoke up my tail with that one, bro!  But yeah, if that is what is going on at your sister's place of employment, man I feel for her.  That's whacked out.

Lead

[leadmagnet]

Why did you delete so much of bustacap's post, Paco?  He made some good points and he wasn't being offensive.

You're showing a total lack of tolerance for those who do not believe like you do right now!

Come on, man.

Lead

[-MAD- SARGE]

As Farslayer so comicly pointed out, I will use the force and focus.  

There was one kid on an outing and he didnt want to do his part to stir the beans.  A simple job as he was young and it is very hard to mess up cooking beans.  But he'd rather go goof off and told the quartermaster that he wasn't going to stir no beans.  Well the quartermaster responded with, if you dont help in cooking dinner then you won't eat dinner, got that?  Needless to say he came back and cooked the beans  

I also remember being in a group of 8 who competed against other teams in building a rope bridge.   I loved those kind of competitions!  We were able do it in less than 10 minutes. We all had our jobs to do and a designated Foreman to make sure everything was done right and to make sure all the peices went together correctly. We got second place due to favortisim, a good life lesson though.  One person judging the event had seen his troop preform earlier in the day and knew we were real close to thier time.  So he chimmed in distracting our foreman telling him that he should do this and that, as if he was helping.  But all he was doing was delaying our rythm and confusing our foreman, as he was trying to understand what they guy was talking about.  Our Scoutmaster who was watching yelled out to our foreman "You know what your doing! Go and do it!"  So he did and we lost first place by 10 seconds.  It sucked but as I said a good life lesson.

[Paco]

Why did you delete so much of bustacap's post, Paco?  He made some good points and he wasn't being offensive.

You're showing a total lack of tolerance for those who do not believe like you do right now!

Come on, man.

Lead

Lead, I don't know what your problem is, but I ONLY deleted ONE line from his post above, and it was a very derogatory attack on a specific religion (of which I have absolutely no affiliation).  As stated again, and again and again and again and again and again on these forums, such attacks are NOT allowed.  Are you saying that you condone such things?  To use your own words:  "Come on, man."

[leadmagnet]

Why did you delete so much of bustacap's post, Paco?  He made some good points and he wasn't being offensive.

You're showing a total lack of tolerance for those who do not believe like you do right now!

Come on, man.

Lead

Lead, I don't know what your problem is, but I ONLY deleted ONE line from his post above, and it was a very derogatory attack on a specific religion (of which I have absolutely no affiliation).  As stated again, and again and again and again and again and again on these forums, such attacks are NOT allowed.  Are you saying that you condone such things?  To use your own words:  "Come on, man."

Oh, I thought you hacked on the busta post before that one, heh.  Sorry.  Indeed, there is no call for anyone to rag on any given religion.  I'd rather that we just ragged on all of them!  <Joking>

Lead

[busta_cap]

Why did you delete so much of bustacap's post, Paco?  He made some good points and he wasn't being offensive.

You're showing a total lack of tolerance for those who do not believe like you do right now!

Come on, man.

Lead

Lead, I don't know what your problem is, but I ONLY deleted ONE line from his post above, and it was a very derogatory attack on a specific religion (of which I have absolutely no affiliation).  As stated again, and again and again and again and again and again on these forums, such attacks are NOT allowed.  Are you saying that you condone such things?  To use your own words:  "Come on, man."

Thanks for supporting me lead, i was simply stating that I do not like that religion, because of how they Manipulate and misconstrue the words of God in the bible. Just look at their official website, they think that if you play a game of poker you are not excepted by god and that you should be punished. Thats the biggest bunch of horse sh*t I have ever heard. Ok I think Ill convert to being a Jehova's Witness and then im going to cheat, steal, lie and gamble and then "God's wrath will come upon me!"

[shoule02]

I said that the Boy Scouts emphasis on Christianity was a shame.  But yeah, you make a good point.  I should have said that the Boy Scouts emphasis on God was a shame.

Even to say that the Boy Scouts put an emphasis on "God" is taking it a little too far.  The whole point of Boy Scouts is to teach skills like leadership (among other things) through mentoring, accomplishment, and especially the outdoor program.  The point is not to create church-going God-fearing zombies.  I actually can not remember one instance in which my Scoutmaster has said the word "God" (except in the pledge, oath, etc.).  I didn't join scouts to be indoctrinated with religion or God.  I joined and stuck with it for 7 years because I was having fun and learning invaluable lessons at the same time (and getting to shoot guns for free ).

[Paco]

I said that the Boy Scouts emphasis on Christianity was a shame.  But yeah, you make a good point.  I should have said that the Boy Scouts emphasis on God was a shame.

Even to say that the Boy Scouts put an emphasis on "God" is taking it a little too far.  The whole point of Boy Scouts is to teach skills like leadership (among other things) through mentoring, accomplishment, and especially the outdoor program.  The point is not to create church-going God-fearing zombies.  I actually can not remember one instance in which my Scoutmaster has said the word "God" (except in the pledge, oath, etc.).  I didn't join scouts to be indoctrinated with religion or God.  I joined and stuck with it for 7 years because I was having fun and learning invaluable lessons at the same time (and getting to shoot guns for free ).

You bring up a good point.  Many of the scout troops are sponsored by churches - some are not.  As such, in many cases, one troop/pack/etc all belong to the same church, so religion could feasibly be "added" to the mix, but as with shoule's expereinces, my own experiences in scouting had no religious overtones in the least...  and my scout troop was sponsored by a church.  The only time God was mentioned was in the scout oath.

Getting back closer to the original topic, I never realized how much I learned in scouting that I actually USE in my everyday life today.  It's very surprising to see, and again, it's surprising how much weight it carries with a lot of people to say that you're an Eagle Scout.  

[shoule02]

I worked very hard for my Eagle.  My project was given the requirement to have a lasting benifit, something that I could look back on in 10 years and still see some of my work.  I restored a church/school's playground, and just when I thought, "ok I have enough work here to do."  My dad guided me to do even more than what was expected.  So when everything was finished I had a few pages of extra added benifits that we preformed for them.  It was a very good feeling to look back at the project and to realize all the time and effort it took for some one to set it all up, plus all the man hours it took to actually get the job done.

Have you gone back to look at it recently?  If anyone ever goes to Squaw Peak they can see my project.  Behind the ranger station (the one with the flag pole in front) there is a low wall that wraps around the base that is holding in the soil around the foundation.  That was the meat of the project.  There were other things like closing down a trail but those are hard to see.

[-MAD- SARGE]

There were other things like closing down a trail but those are hard to see.

LoL that means you did a good job.  

Have you gone back to look at it recently?

I've seen it from a distance several years ago and it still looks good. There is always your normal wear and tear, especially on a playground.  But it would not have lasted this long if it were not done.  Infact this is the same playground where I went to preschool at.  I thought it was very cool for me to be able to do that.

Hey if anyone ever goes back to Geronimo, let me know something.  In Camp site 2 is there still a flag pole there infront of the anderondikes? Camp sit 2 is one of the larger sites and its almost smack in the middle of camp.  Its right next door to the Aid Station and the creek.  When we were a smaller group at that time, that was our project. Our Scout Master hammered a quater on top of the flag pole where the eagle was facing skyward.  He thought that was pretty slick  

[Paco]

I think that Camp Geronimo is "dead".  I went through it on a trip a year or two ago and it all looked really bad, granted, that was after a big storm.  However, it looked like it hadn't been used in many years.  I went there when they used the *old* cafeteria - the one close to the parking lot - that place is in such bad shape that it looks condemned.  The last one or two times @ Geronimo, we used the new cafeteria, which was closer to the rest of the camps.

I don't know if this site is updated, but it brings back memories:  http://www.campgeronimo.com/

[Firehead]

maybe we can hold a game at the old site . That would be cool, and if they still use it, maybe we can get permission from them.

[-MAD- SARGE]

WOW they have a Huge new Health lodge!  The one they had before was just a few rooms.  This thing actually looks like a medical facility.  Plus it looks like they got a new pool bulding and area.  Some things still look the same like the trading post.  I got to believe they still use it, I can't imagine if they ever did not.

Hey Jason isnt Geronimo on private land?  Thats the main reason I had not been up there, even though I would love to hike around.