Boy Scouts of America...

[shoule02]

The land is owned by the BSA.  My Dad was up there with our troop redoing the trail to Inspiration Point and he said that it hadn't changed since the last time the both of us had been up there.  I don't think its dead at all.  There are a lot of new buildings and such.  The old cafeteria was way too small for how big the camp has gotten so after they built the new mess hall they did sort of let the old one deteriorate.  Other than that I think it looks great!

[shoule02]

maybe we can hold a game at the old site . That would be cool, and if they still use it, maybe we can get permission from them.

Sorry Firehead, it will be a cold day in hell before the BSA would allow something like an airsoft game on their property.  I know they don't allow anything like paintball or airsoft to be an actual official scouting activity (a few in my troop tried once unsuccessfully).  The liability issue is their primary concern.  Also, their isn't a whole lot to the old mess hall.  Its only a couple rooms and an open air eating area with some sort of metal roof.  I would rather play at Cottonwood Camp (OP: CB site).

[cmptrdewd]

Being a non-active Christian Myself, I see the differences in influence from Church to church, these days more Christian Churches are trying to get people to convert to Christianity. When they should be helping them reach a comfortable position and stance on god no matter religion they are. I hate to say it, but I have attended a few services and types of "camps" that reminded me of Nazi Germany's brainwashing. When I went on a trip to california with my girlfriends church they had seminars where they were talking out of their ass and both of us(her even being the one who is forced into going to church every sunday)thought it was lunacy.

If god put every person on this earth to serve him, what a selfish bastard he is. He put us here to serve ourselves and make our own lives and destiny's. We may follow his words and take his advice, even pray to him for guidance and help, but to devote ones self completely to another is something I do not believe in. By the way, the church I previously referred to was CCC(Central Christian Church)

I'm sorry, but i must respond to this statement, then you guys can get back on topic and I will not respond on this thread anymore. And also I don't want to start a new topic just so we can argue about this.

Busta: I can't believe you call yourself a Christian! Christian's don't believe that we are here on this earth jsut to do our own thing. We have the free will to do so, but a Christian has commited his or her life to serve God.

God has a right to be selfish!

Think about this...
You have all power and you decide to make a world with creatures in it and one speical one. One in your own image called man. Now you made man because you wanted to not because you needed to. Because you wanted. You love man just because. Now man doesn't want anything to do with you. God could just desroy the himan race right? But he didn't, because he loves it.

Now God in all his infinate power made you and loves you.
Now you don't want to love him back or serve him even though he gave you everything? Who is selfish now?

[busta_cap]

I didn't say that " I dont love god" or that I am just here to do my own thing. If I am spending all my time devoting myself to god and always doing what HE wants, then I have no time to become my own individual, isnt that what he wants? If that is the life that some people choose..thats great for them! But I will live my life as I see fit, not how someone else wants. And I interpret gods words in my own way, not the way someone else reads it. Religions only differ by the way they pray and read the bible, and thus interpret the words of god and live their lives by those words.

[Paco]

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[Neurolizer]

I'm an Eagle, but I never made it to Geronimo because the older scouts went on a week long hiking trip during the summer instead and there weren't really any scouts my age to go to Geronimo with at the time so I went hiking with the older scouts, which is the reason I joined scouting anyway.

I did make it to Philmont once, it was amazing.  I don’t think I will ever forget how it felt to be on top of Mt. Baldy and look at the Tooth of Time and then to be on the top of the Tooth of Time a few days later and look back at Mt. Baldy.  Did anyone else go to Philmont?

[woody]

Hear, hear, Paco. I can't believe how this discussion got so out of context. Such debates are pretty out of place on AA. Good subject matter for some of you gents, but not here.

[shoule02]

Did anyone else go to Philmont?

Yes.  I was the crew leader for my group that went in 2002.  That place was expensive but worth every penny.

[Basher]

Eagle Scout here. If I wasn't about to put my mission papers in, I'd still be involved. My Venture Charter expired on the 31st of December. Just as well, since that's my Birthday.

Speaking of which, Paco (a little OT here), I got a "Happy Birthday" from the website, congratulating me on turning 20 this past Friday. I think the sites clock is off by a year.

[Basher]

Geronimo was great (that's where I taught myself to shoot), but Beaver up in Utah was much better I though. It's for the "bigger boys," so you get to play with shotguns, .22's, bow and arrows, take hikes, do the challenge course, zip line, etc. Highly recommended for those who can get it lined up for their superactivity before they get out of the program. Out of all the places I went in my Scouting career, the only place that tops Beaver was my week at Fort Hood, doing Scout things while watching AH-64's and UH-60's do their thing during mock firefights, and getting a Howitzer barrage as a wake up call.