Greed means I wont be playing much!

[busta_cap]

Well all I have to say is that price gouging has been going on here in the valley for at least 8 years or so that I know of.  Why can I say that? Here's why.  Have you noticed that when ever you go out of town like to prescott and payson that gas prices are cheaper there than down here?  Well that in its self does not make since.  Down here we have a gasoline pipeline that feeds the valley with fuel.  Anyone else like payson, and such have to truck the gas that much further every time they need a fill up.  How can it be that after paying all those additional costs that Payson is still cheaper than the valley who only has to truck it across town?

Cause those probably arent owned by the greedy saudi's.

[DJ NeX]

[Mugen]

I drive an Acura Integra..it gets great mileage and has cold a/c...but it is too low for most ao's and I have to carpool with others tho reach them.  

I have had an idea about buying an 88' Blazer(big body) with 44,000 original miles...then converting it to propane....any thoughts?

(and DJNex..if you say we cant do anything about the gas price gouging situation and just go on with our lives....you're wrong)

[Surplus man]

You guys crack me up.  In Germany the price of gas has been 5 bucks per gallon for YEARS. We have it so good over here its not even funny.  And Germans keep cranking out cars like its nobody's business.  Porche, VW, Mercedes, BMW...need I say more?

I'm glad you find this funny. I fail to find the humor in this topic.

Wow...coming from a 19yr old college student?? I'm guessing your a college student by your profile stating that your at ASU. Well....DJ NeX, lets put this into a little perspective for you. As far as I've known (since I've been driving cars and motorcycles) here in good old Phoenix Arizona, I've never seen gas higher that $3 a gallon. Your statment is completely irrelevant to people that have been paying $2.39-$2.59 (give or take $.10) for the past 3 years. To have a product that is a necessity for most in this city or country increase in cost by $.50 in the span of 1 week (actually 4 days) is preposterous and down right greed.

So when you can support yourself 100%, hold a full-time job, commute to work a minimum of 50-60 miles round trip spend $280 a month on gas and do that for the next 3 years. Please don't come onto a forum, laugh about it and try to put this into perspective for us. Us people that work hard for our money to have us spend $70 to fill our tank for the next week is a little hard to swollow. I think we have a right to complain, at least a little.

wow, im only 16 and ive worked my share of summers for pima county tarring roads for 7.15 an hour in 110 degree heat on the interstate, so dont assume that just because hes yound he doesnt understand the work concept. i myself have had part time jobs consistantly after school since i was 14 in a friends tile store sweeping. i pay my own gas, insurance and i own my own truck that i payed for in cash after two years of saving. the fact that it is a 1969 chevrolet c10 doesnt help my gas price woes. you think phenix's prices have hopped, two years ago here gas was 1.69 a gallon now were at 3.09 -3.50 in areas. it takes 90 dollars to fill my tank now and i feel every dollar. i understand that gas prices hurt all of us, but we dont need to point fingers and say " just because your in college means you dont pay for shit and therefore know nothing"

[Bucket]

I don't even drive but it has already begun affecting my everyday life. I'll tell you how.
1. gas prices go up (diesel fuel as well).
2. This causes truckers to have to pay more for fuel.
3. this causes the transportation industrie to ask for higher salaries.
4. in turn the transportation industry not wanting to have strike on thier hands will give in.
5. The transportation industry then passes this cost along to those who they are transporting the goods for.
6. this causes the shippers to raise thier prices and that gets passed on to you and me in our everyday lives, Groceries go up, clothing cost goes up, the prices of everything will go up. And who is to blame?

The greedy F'n bastards in control of the fuel supplies.

I could go much deeper in depth with this statement but I think most get the gist of it.

[1trooper, manyweapons]

The gas companies maybe greedy BUt thats not stopping us from our games and hanging out. In fact that brings up the gas mileage crap for the older cars/newer. Or better yet Ill ride my atv to games.  Advanages and disadvanges for both car&atv. atv great mpg, doesnt have the speeds to reach beyond 60mph. 5gal gas tank. vs a car 24gal gas tank, more room, speeds exceed 120mph.

GAS is a weapon use it wisely. If not your ass is hanging in a hurricane. *wrong place& very bad timeing.

thats my .20 cents.

[gixser13]

You guys crack me up.  In Germany the price of gas has been 5 bucks per gallon for YEARS. We have it so good over here its not even funny.  And Germans keep cranking out cars like its nobody's business.  Porche, VW, Mercedes, BMW...need I say more?

I'm glad you find this funny. I fail to find the humor in this topic.

Wow...coming from a 19yr old college student?? I'm guessing your a college student by your profile stating that your at ASU. Well....DJ NeX, lets put this into a little perspective for you. As far as I've known (since I've been driving cars and motorcycles) here in good old Phoenix Arizona, I've never seen gas higher that $3 a gallon. Your statment is completely irrelevant to people that have been paying $2.39-$2.59 (give or take $.10) for the past 3 years. To have a product that is a necessity for most in this city or country increase in cost by $.50 in the span of 1 week (actually 4 days) is preposterous and down right greed.

So when you can support yourself 100%, hold a full-time job, commute to work a minimum of 50-60 miles round trip spend $280 a month on gas and do that for the next 3 years. Please don't come onto a forum, laugh about it and try to put this into perspective for us. Us people that work hard for our money to have us spend $70 to fill our tank for the next week is a little hard to swollow. I think we have a right to complain, at least a little.

wow, im only 16 and ive worked my share of summers for pima county tarring roads for 7.15 an hour in 110 degree heat on the interstate, so dont assume that just because hes yound he doesnt understand the work concept. i myself have had part time jobs consistantly after school since i was 14 in a friends tile store sweeping. i pay my own gas, insurance and i own my own truck that i payed for in cash after two years of saving. the fact that it is a 1969 chevrolet c10 doesnt help my gas price woes. you think phenix's prices have hopped, two years ago here gas was 1.69 a gallon now were at 3.09 -3.50 in areas. it takes 90 dollars to fill my tank now and i feel every dollar. i understand that gas prices hurt all of us, but we dont need to point fingers and say " just because your in college means you dont pay for s*** and therefore know nothing"

Wait till you get a house and Family of 5. Right now for you younger guys higher gas prices may mean you have to buy a 12 pack instead of a 24 or you cant go party this weekend cause your broke Or you have to eat Roman noodles and mac and cheese for a week till next paycheck

When you have a house,wife and 3 kids things get impacted on a larger scale

No, the gas prices arent killing me! But I have seen a few people that live on 40 dollars a week after all there bills are paid what about them
20 bux on gas and they had 20 bux for food now its 30 bux for gas and 10 for food. really suxs

[War savage]

wow, im only 16 and ive worked my share of summers for pima county tarring roads for 7.15 an hour in 110 degree heat on the interstate, so dont assume that just because hes yound he doesnt understand the work concept. i myself have had part time jobs consistantly after school since i was 14 in a friends tile store sweeping. i pay my own gas, insurance and i own my own truck that i payed for in cash after two years of saving. the fact that it is a 1969 chevrolet c10 doesnt help my gas price woes. you think phenix's prices have hopped, two years ago here gas was 1.69 a gallon now were at 3.09 -3.50 in areas. it takes 90 dollars to fill my tank now and i feel every dollar. i understand that gas prices hurt all of us, but we dont need to point fingers and say " just because your in college means you dont pay for s*** and therefore know nothing"

Gee....wish I just had to pay for gas, insurance and maintenance on my SUV. Try having a mortgage of $900+, Utility bills of $200+, groceries of $325+, gas of $280 not to mention all the little odds and ends gym membership, medical bills. And thats a single guy.

Never did I mention being a college student you didn't pay for s**t. But what I can almost garauntee 99.9% that you or who ever as a 19 year old college student doesn't have those expenses mentioned above. All I know is you guys are in for a rude awakening if you go through life at the same attitude about your expenses as you do now. remember I was 16 and 19 also. I've been on my own since I was 18.

YOU GUYS THAT THINK WE'RE JUST COMPLAINING FOR THE HELL OF IT ARE SADLEY MISTAKEN. YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!
THIS TOPIC COULD ALMOST RUN THE SAME LINE AS THE "UNDER 18 AIRSOFTER DEBATE". DO YOU GUYS SEE THE MINDFRAME OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED WHAT OLDER PEOPLE HAVE??

[Mooncruiser]

Mugen, check out the price of propane before you get that puppy.
You might get a break on auto registration fees, but sometimes it's hard to find a propane station in addition to the costs.

Myself, I'm just driving less. That means for the events I'd planned to go to in other states, well, no for now.

This gas ripoff is detrimental to the whole country. I wish we could see a federal price freeze like during the OPEC gas ceisis of the middle '70's.

Just for info, The Chevy Sprint/Geo Metro gets 50mpg with the three cyl. engine and 5 speed manual. I had one and there weren't many places I couldn't drive with it. I wonder why GM doesn't promote that car more?

Chip

[andyhinds]

I've been riding my motorcycle as much as possible, 45-50MPG.  Going to the gym 3 times a week (for longer) than going 5 days a week (for less time per visit).  Buying in bulk at the grocery store to limit trips and limiting outtings to the movies, dinner etc.

I agree with War Savage, when you have a house, insurance, etc.  there is a lot more weighing on you.  Missing a truck payment, they repo your truck, missing a house payment and they can foreclose on your house, so where you gonna live... unless you still live with mom and dad, in which case you don't care.

I think everybody can examine their daily routine and find some small way to reduce driving, I love off-roading, but I'm putting it off until the gas prices go down.  I view it as my quasi-boycott of the petroleum industry.

[busta_cap]

Mugen, check out the price of propane before you get that puppy.
You might get a break on auto registration fees, but sometimes it's hard to find a propane station in addition to the costs.

Myself, I'm just driving less. That means for the events I'd planned to go to in other states, well, no for now.

This gas ripoff is detrimental to the whole country. I wish we could see a federal price freeze like during the OPEC gas ceisis of the middle '70's.

Just for info, The Chevy Sprint/Geo Metro gets 50mpg with the three cyl. engine and 5 speed manual. I had one and there weren't many places I couldn't drive with it. I wonder why GM doesn't promote that car more?

Chip

My gf's dad had a 02 suburban fitted with a large propane tank under it up until recently and it was actually really economical...the system only used propane sometimes and then when it got lower switched back to gas...so whenever he could fill up he just did both..

[Surplus man]

good for him...i wish i had money for a propane conversion...but i dont.

[sNiPeRWoLf88]

Look, rising gas prices give all of America more of a reason to get off its fat ass and WALK.

Maybe then we can start to burn those Big Mac's with fries and a diet cola off!

WEll, actually, this isn't my take on things.  (but there is a reason that other countries call us lazy and say we complain to much... :roll:  )



BUt yes, indeed, the gas is affecting all of us.  Those who drive and those who don't alike (though not QUITE as significantly.... but just wait till winter when heating prices go straight through the roof).

Now, just because some people don't have to pay for an entire family and payments and utility builds (reference to the minors debate) DOES NOT MEAN that they do not know the value of a penny!  

Ya, my parents put the roof over my head (for the next 8 or so months or so anyways...).  They pay for the food in my fridge and the water for my showers.  But hey, I have a minimum wage job, i have school, and expenses (ya, such as gas).

I mean, if i could afford to be out on my own, trust me, I would.  But i don't have a career... I make an hourly wage that, depending on my total hours a week, will give me anywhere from 100-250 dollars each pay perdiod.  So ya... that denotes that i cannot afford rent, utilites, payments, insurace, food and so forth.  

Howerever, I know the value of the few dollars in my wallet and in the bank.  So don't say that I (now, by 'I", i make reference to many of the youth were I am) don't know the 'struggles' and the value of money.  DOn't say I take things for granted.  And dont start your "when i was your age i was out on my own!" business.  Besides, the majority of you were "my age" within the past 5 years anways...


Now back the more relevant gas topic at hand...

Arizona has had a bit of a balance on gas prices (thanks to our wonderful congresmen and governer and all those other people).  Down here in Tucson it's sitting at a universal $2.99... sometimes a bit lower too.  Have yet to see a high one for the past 5 days or so.  This is becase our state gasoline doesn't come from the gulf, and thus, we should not be as greatly affected by the incidents as many southeast states are.  So maybe people should stop BITCHING about gas prices so much, and take a look at the people paying somtimes as much as half a fold more than us.  

And hey, I don't want to hear you whining about gas prices if you get 20+ miles to the gallon!  I would kill (yes, i would!) for that... i get about 14 right now.  I put in 75 bucks between my last 2 partial fills and i barely got 350 miles out of that (mostly spent on drives to AO's for games or else cross town necessities... it seems like everything is always on the opposute side of town).  Which equals exactly 14 m/g at 3.00 dolllar gallons.  ANd i know that I even have it good next to some people (like the ones with the constant 4x drive SUV's and pickups... i have selective).

And for god's sake people... Learn to carpool!  AT least learn to do it more effectivly...  Yes... it can even be done to airsoft games (in other words... get a lift and make that game that you before were bitching about not going to because you 'couldn't afford the drive')!  Hop in with someone else and give them a few bucks... save yourself 10!  It's really not that hard... It's why god invented the carpool lane you phoenicians (did i get that right?) have.

Now, if you will all excuse me... it's 0200 and i have school in 6 hours.

(btw... look at my avatar and look at the image on a full view.... i took that photograph last summer!!!  those were the good 'ol days...).

[andyhinds]

from 100-250 dollars each pay perdiod (bi-monthly).  

That means you get paid every two months, you mean bi-weekly.  Students should walk to school like when I was a kid, I think its pathetic every time I drive by a school parking lot on my way to work and see a line up of student vehicles waiting to park.  They should be forced to take the bus, ride a bike or WALK.

Carpooling isn't a solution for most working adults, my schedule varies from day to day, some days I have to be in a 4am to telecon with people in India, other days I'm in Phoenix till 7pm, so carpooling isn't always the answer.

[War savage]

DOn't say I take things for granted.  And dont you DARE start your "when i was your age i was out on my own!" business.  Besides, most of you were "my age" within the past 5 years anways!!!!

And for GOD'S SAKE people... LEARN TO FREAKING CARPOOL!  Yes... it can even be done to airsoft games (in other words... get a lift and make that game that you before were bitching about not going to because you 'couldn't afford the drive')!  Hop in with someone else and give them a few bucks... save yourself 10!  It's really not that hard... It's why god invented the carpool lane you phoenicians (did i get that right?) have.

Now, if you will all excuse me... it's 0200 and i have school in 6 hours.

(btw... look at my avatar and look at the image on a full view.... i took that photograph last summer!!!  those were the good 'ol days...).

Uhh....do you not think that us people that are complaining haven't done this or thought about this by now? As soon as gas prices went through the roof the very next game that same week I saw more people car pool at the AO than any other, along with I carpooling with Zapbrannigan. His car gets awesome gas mileage. Like Andy, said even carpooling is not always an option. We have different schedules. I myself live in Phoenix and drive to Tucson every other week to visit family, friends and business. Not easy to find people that can chaufer you around while out of state. I now even have to limit my trips to Tucson. Not fair to my nephew is it? As the topic says "Greed means I won't be playing much". Emphasize "much". Doesn't mean at all.

As for the DARE part I know your talking to me. Soooo.....try DARING people in about 7-8 years when you have a little more weight behind it. History will show that I along with others here will take on almost all dares within reason. Try living another lifetime (you being 17).

Notice the age difference between the sides of this debate....Hmmm!  
BTW sNiPeRWoLf88 (you may have fixed it by now) your avatar does not show. Hasn't shown for a while.