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« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2006, 10:32:05 PM »
We get most of our oil from Saudi Arabia, who is an ally in the Middle East. Running out? Like I said, a finite natural resource that humans have pumped from the ground for nigh on 120 years. I have heard estimates on the low end of 15 years, and on the high end, 40 years. Basically, in our lifetime. It will take many years for the current infrastructure to shift to alternative fuels. I am still wondering why people are against preparing for the inevitable.

Maybe you have not had economics yet, but supply and demand is the basis of pretty much all pricing, period. Granted, the oil companies have an oligopoly on this product, so they can pretty much price it how they want, but if a barrel costs X dollars, they still need to make a profit.

Third, what oil companies besides BP give a rat's ass about alternative fuels? There is absolutely no reason why they should ruin what they have going for them.

Finally, I am not sure if you are aware, but gasoline is the most governmentally subsidized product around. I am not precisely sure, but I believe, per gallon of gasoline, there is somewhere in the range of 1.50 to 2 dollars of tax subsidy provided by the government. Compare this to the BioDiesel producer credit of 99 cents per gallon and tell me that the government cares so much about alternative fuels. The government is in big oil's pocket, think Dick Cheney, former CEO of Halliburton who was given what amounts to a 31 million dollar bribe when he relinquished his duty as CEO to become VP of the US.

As a parting comment, I assume those people you spoke with are referring to the gas crisis in the 1970s. This had absolutely nothing to do with running out of oil, simply that OPEC cut us off.
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« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2006, 10:53:12 PM »
Look at it this way cheeze, this will just thin the flock leaving only the strong.

*imagines a post apocalyptic future ala Mad Max*

Yes I realize that the people in that movie ran on fossil fueled vehicles.
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« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2006, 10:55:09 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2006, 11:29:15 PM »
Don't give a crap really, I am not , and don't plan to be  one of the people fixing this problem as my everyday fight or job. Leave it to someone else.

Ethan, the ozone is going to take millions of years to repair its self..and in a million years i can almost gauruntee we (human race) will be extinct or not on this POS planet.
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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2006, 03:26:31 PM »
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Look at it this way cheeze, this will just thin the flock leaving only the strong.

*imagines a post apocalyptic future ala Mad Max*

Yes I realize that the people in that movie ran on fossil fueled vehicles.


Yes, the strong in this instance being those who were absolutely prepared for the oil crash, not those who wish to put it off longer.
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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2006, 03:30:17 PM »
Personally, I think that there are bigger natural disasters on hand than this oil "crisis."

We should NOT be worried about it. Wether you like it or not, there is absolutly nothing you can do to prevent it.

We should focus more on Global warming, hurricanes, psunamis, and all that good stuff.

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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2006, 03:41:35 PM »
Big oil doesn't have a reason to produce an alternative, but car manufacturers do.
If people can't afford the fuel for cars, they can't afford the car.
If gas goes to $6 a gallon, fewer people will be able to buy big expensive cars, everyone will buy little POS cars.
Car manufacturers don't want that.  THEY are the ones pushing alternate fuels right now, and I would bet they are looking at it like the gold at the end of the rainbow.
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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2006, 05:35:39 PM »
My moto on this issue is:

WHO CARES? SHUT UP AND DRIVE!!

All kidding aside now...i think that we do not have anything to worry about. Good ol' Bush would never let the Oil run out...

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« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2006, 05:41:59 PM »
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LOL, you are not concerned?

No, not concerned. I got a rifle, a ruck, my LPCs(Leather Personel Carriers), and water. I'm good. What a shame if human beings had to walk and use the legs they have been given(if you have an electric wheelchair...you're good to go).


hahaha :P  Kick ass. you couldnt of said that any better. Im not worried about a oil crisis, im scared to death however of the most important natural resource of all, water. it's going fast and wer'e f***ed withought it.
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« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2006, 06:04:44 PM »
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LOL, you are not concerned?

No, not concerned. I got a rifle, a ruck, my LPCs(Leather Personel Carriers), and water. I'm good. What a shame if human beings had to walk and use the legs they have been given(if you have an electric wheelchair...you're good to go).

hahaha :P  Kick ass. you couldnt of said that any better. Im not worried about a oil crisis, im scared to death however of the most important natural resource of all, water. it's going fast and wer'e f***ed withought it.


So where's the water disappearing too???
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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2006, 06:06:42 PM »
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We get most of our oil from Saudi Arabia, who is an ally in the Middle East. .


This took 2 seconds to research on Google, as you can see Canada is #1, Mexico is #2 and Saudi Arabia is #3. For exporting oil to the USA

1 Canada   1,616
2 Mexico   1,598
3 Saudi Arabia   1,495
4 Venezuela   1,297
5 Nigeria   1,078
6 Iraq   655
7 Angola   306
8 Kuwait   241
9 United Kingdom   238
10 Ecuador   232
11 Algeria   215
12 Russia   158
13 Norway   143
14 Colombia   142
15 Gabon   142
16 Argentina   59
17 Brazil   51
18 Trinidad and Tobago   49
19 Indonesia   34
20 Australia   21
21 Libya   18
22 Cameroon   18
23 Guatemala   18
24 Malaysia   18
25 Brunei   15
26 China, People’s Republic of   14
27 Congo (Kinshasa) *    14
28 Oman   10
29 Congo (Brazzaville)   8
30 United Arab Emirates   5
31 Ivory Coast   5
32 Qatar   4
33 Yemen   4
34 Denmark   2
35 Peru   1
36 Syria   1
37 Thailand   1
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« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2006, 06:16:20 PM »
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We get most of our oil from Saudi Arabia, who is an ally in the Middle East. .

This took 2 seconds to research on Google, as you can see Canada is #1, Mexico is #2 and Saudi Arabia is #3. For exporting oil to the USA

1 Canada   1,616
2 Mexico   1,598
3 Saudi Arabia   1,495
4 Venezuela   1,297
5 Nigeria   1,078
6 Iraq   655
7 Angola   306
8 Kuwait   241
9 United Kingdom   238
10 Ecuador   232
11 Algeria   215
12 Russia   158
13 Norway   143
14 Colombia   142
15 Gabon   142
16 Argentina   59
17 Brazil   51
18 Trinidad and Tobago   49
19 Indonesia   34
20 Australia   21
21 Libya   18
22 Cameroon   18
23 Guatemala   18
24 Malaysia   18
25 Brunei   15
26 China, People’s Republic of   14
27 Congo (Kinshasa) *    14
28 Oman   10
29 Congo (Brazzaville)   8
30 United Arab Emirates   5
31 Ivory Coast   5
32 Qatar   4
33 Yemen   4
34 Denmark   2
35 Peru   1
36 Syria   1
37 Thailand   1


I stand corrected, however, as you can see the top three exporters to the US are only separated by 121 units. Mind you also that Canada and Mexico are both NAFTA members. Although this statistic is great, it still doesn't change the fact that we get a large portion of our oil from Saudi Arabia.

Giland, you used the exact terminology that I was searching for.

B00M, if you didn't know, a major factor in global warming is the global use of fossil fuels; oil, natural gas (less than others), and coal. An alternative fuel would solve a large part of this problem.
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« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2006, 08:13:49 PM »
Andy R. that is why I said begin to heal.
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« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2006, 08:33:07 PM »
The tech is there now to replace oil and will be improved  very fast, right now the problem is Oil companies keep buying all the alt fuel solutions and then locking them up in a secret room never to be seen again!!!
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« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2006, 08:55:25 PM »
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The tech is there now to replace oil and will be improved  very fast, right now the problem is Oil companies keep buying all the alt fuel solutions and then locking them up in a secret room never to be seen again!!!


Either that or they'll just pay people to try and hush it up.
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