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Off-Topic Forums => Real Firearms => Topic started by: leakingpen on April 30, 2004, 09:48:05 AM
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i think thats a little sad, that a gun safety course is scaring people away from guns.
now, anyone have a clue how this happened?
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Yea, he's an idiot and shot himself in the leg, didnt you read it.
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />http://www.wftv.com/news/3254293/detail.html
ORLANDO, Fla. -- A federal drug agent shot himself in the leg during a gun safety presentation to children and his bosses are investigating.
The Drug Enforcement Administration agent, whose name was not released, was giving a gun safety presentation to about 50 adults and students organized by the Orlando Minority Youth Golf Association, witnesses and police said.
He drew his .40-caliber duty weapon and <u><b><font color="red">removed the magazine</font id="red"></b></u>, according to the police report. <u><b><font color="red">Then he pulled back the slide and asked someone in the audience to look inside the gun and confirm it wasn't loaded</font id="red"></b></u>, the report said.
Witnesses said the gun was pointed at the floor and when he released the slide, one shot fired into the top of his left thigh.
"The kids screamed and started to cry," said Vivian Farmer, who attended the presentation with her 13-year-old nephew.
"Everyone was pretty shaken up," Farmer said. "But the point of gun safety hit home. Unfortunately, the agent had to get shot. But after seeing that, my nephew doesn't want to have anything to do with guns."
The agent was treated at Orlando Regional Medical Center after the April 9 shooting and returned to work, DEA special agent Joe Kilmer said.
Police ruled the shooting was an accident, but the DEA headquarters in Washington was still investigating, Kilmer said.
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Sounds to me like the person in the audience/class who did the "confirming that it wasn't loaded" after he pulled the slide back, is *not* going to pass that particular class.
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Oh no I said get me a "Drug Enforcement Agent", not a Drugged Agent.
Lets give these little golfers a show they'll never forget!
Besides even if the gun was not loaded, what kind of firearms instructor points a gun at himself while pulling the trigger? He got what he deserved, unfortunatly it was in the public eye.
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agreed with screwloose. the gun could be an unloaded rusty old antique without a firing pin, you STILL dont point it at yourself. but still, chucked the magazine, worked the slide. im sure the round in the chamber popped when he worked the slide. where did the round come from?
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It doesn't mention him pulling the trigger, but dropping the slide. If his gun went off when dropping the slide, then it malfunctioned and isn't his fault.
The only way the round COULD be in the chamber is if it wasn't ejected. He should have known that the chambered round wasn't ejected.
He must have locked the slide back to allow someone to view the chamber to verify their was no round in it. Of course, asking someone who has no knowledge of firearms to check your chamber is pretty dumb in itself. He could have put the ejected round back in the chamber in the process of reloading it since it IS his duty weapon.
Note to self: don't use loaded duty weapon when showing people gun safety.
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Looks Like he forgot to follow the few basic rules! How about a refresher Raven style!
http://www.dahlberg-it.com/eurosimulato ... guages=usa (http://www.dahlberg-it.com/eurosimulator/safety/safety.asp?Languages=usa)
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well if it did go off because he pulled the trigger,
what happened to the first rule of gun safety "keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to fire."
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How about one of the other 4 rules: "don't point it at anything you're not willing to destroy." Now, I am assuming he broke that rule - maybe he was willing to destroy his leg...
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I keep telling you guys he was a drugged enforcement agent, Not a Drug Enforcement Agent. Those people should ask for a refund.
Speaking of refund, I bet our tax dollars are going to his owwie right now.
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Been looking at picts from messageboards and events from all over. You would be amazed how many people have their finger on the trigger while standing around getting their picture taken.
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But the trigger is made so soft and smooth... it's like your finger belongs there. J/K.
We musn't be too hard on the poor fellow, my dad used to teach gun safety courses for Game and Fish, and he has done some dumb things with guns. Even one VERY thoughtless thing that I won't tell you about, becasue even my mom doesn't know. We're waiting till me and my brother are no longer minors anymore before we tell her that one. [;)]
*Edited to remove an extraneous "s".
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HAHAHA what a stupid fool.....
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Who here has military training? Have you ever made a mistake? OK then, he made a mistake thats all. He is not a stupid fool, he is still working to keep our country safe. If he was SF or Delta or a SEAL some of you kids would jump to say "oh it must have been a problem with the gun". Let the man who has never made mistake make the first reply please.
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Well, I think the thing that speaks most poorly for him was that not only did he (1) disobey TWO of the FOUR critial rules of gun safety, but that he did so while teaching a gun safety class.
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I am missing a tooth(muller) because I messed up while performing inpec. I have never forgot that moment or what I did wrong, I dont think he will either. He knows what he did wrong, yes is was not smart or the best time. But it happend and there is nothing to do about it, except learn from it. I dont think a 15 year old kid should call someone a "stupid fool" over something he doesnt understand. Everyone was able to say what they felt without disrespecting the guy. He was trying to HELP after all.
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I think that he held a very effective gun safety course. He drove home the point of gun safety in a way that no one in that room will ever forget. Too bad a large proportion of the audience wasn't mature enough to handle that kind of demonstration; his mistake will most likely cause a few to swing over to supporting restrictive gun laws.
I used to run training while in the military, and more than a few times I wished that I could make an example out of people that wouldn't take a deadly serious subject seriously.
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It says .40 cal duty weapon. What make would fire if you let the slide go?Thats strange
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Personally, I've never shot myself. I've had other people do it for me.
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CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/05/01/ ... index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/05/01/dea.shooting.ap/index.html)
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ORLANDO, Florida (AP) -- A federal drug agent shot himself in the leg during a gun safety presentation to children in what police describe as an accident. His bosses, however, are still investigating the incident.
The Drug Enforcement Administration agent, whose name was not released, was speaking April 9 to about 50 adults and students organized by the Orlando Minority Youth Golf Association, witnesses and police said.
He drew his .40-caliber duty weapon and removed the magazine, according to the police report. He then pulled back the slide and asked an audience member to look inside the gun and confirm it wasn't loaded.
<font color="red">Witnesses said when the agent released the slide, one shot fired into the top of his left thigh. The gun was pointed at the floor.</font id="red">
The agent was treated at Orlando Regional Medical Center and returned to work, a DEA official said.
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WTF? If the "gun was pointed at the floor" like the article said, he wouldn't have shot himself in the thigh!
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Must've been a Magic bullet... same thing as the one that killed JFK. I smell conspiracy!
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How would the slide set off the round? wouldn't the firing pin have to be held out when the slide hit?
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Trashcan, go back and read SHIFTY's response. Then go do some homework about mysterious AD's. One name is almost always brought up. I don't think you'll be surprised either. I wasn't. That's why I don't have one.
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We had just gotten issued new holters for our .45's. One of the ways we use to break them in was to twist the gun in the holster to stretch the leather otherwise the holster grabbed the slide as you slide the gun in. One of the guys was doing this while in the chow line but failed to unload his gun before entering the building as was required by the CO. Well there he was twisting his 1911 side to side and up and down and BLAM! Just missed his foot and the round ricochets back up and right through his lunch tray. I know he had to clean his shorts after that one.
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I heard a similar story from a guy who had just switched his duty weapon from a glock to a 1911. He was doing some practical firearms training out at the Sheriffs office range. The guy just got his gun back from having the trigger widened and had not yet used it with his holster. The guys lined up to shoot and because he was cocky or something, I'm guessing, when the whistle blows he draws the gun, shoots as fast as he can, and slams the gun back into his holster. BLAM! Who the F*&^ Shot Me! He yells as he falls to his knees.
As it turned out he shot himself. Because he was used to using a Glock, he did not engage the external safety on the 1911. In addition to this the wider trigger would not fit correctly in his holster and caused the trigger to be pulled when he slammed it into the holster. The rear grip saftey was disengaged because once again he was shoving the gun into the holster when it misfired.
The guy opened a nice hole starting in his thigh and heading down into his calf. I guess it did actually miss all the bones, because he did not have any permenant injuries from it. . .
Well maybe his pride.
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That's what's nice about the Series 80 and Para-Oradanance (now Kimber as well?) 1911's - firing pin safeties. [:D] Although, I suppose in case two it wouldn't have helped because, if connected to the trigger it would have disengaged and since he was mashing the gun into the holster, a grip safety wouldn't have helped either. <img src="http://www.airsoftarizona.com/firearms/forum/images/speech/icon_speech_sigh.gif" border="0"> I suppose some people just weren't meant to be safe with the fun stuff, eh?
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Paco</i>
<br />CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/05/01/ ... index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/05/01/dea.shooting.ap/index.html)
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ORLANDO, Florida (AP) -- A federal drug agent shot himself in the leg during a gun safety presentation to children in what police describe as an accident. His bosses, however, are still investigating the incident.
The Drug Enforcement Administration agent, whose name was not released, was speaking April 9 to about 50 adults and students organized by the Orlando Minority Youth Golf Association, witnesses and police said.
He drew his .40-caliber duty weapon and removed the magazine, according to the police report. He then pulled back the slide and asked an audience member to look inside the gun and confirm it wasn't loaded.
<font color="red">Witnesses said when the agent released the slide, one shot fired into the top of his left thigh. The gun was pointed at the floor.</font id="red">
The agent was treated at Orlando Regional Medical Center and returned to work, a DEA official said.
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WTF? If the "gun was pointed at the floor" like the article said, he wouldn't have shot himself in the thigh!
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When they say it was pointed to the floor that doesn't necessarily mean straight down. You can point a gun at the floor and still be holding it at an angle.
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i guess he got a bad angle on that one... ba duh bum!!![}:)]
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http://www.wftv.com/news/3254293/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/3254293/detail.html)
ORLANDO, Fla. -- A federal drug agent shot himself in the leg during a gun safety presentation to children and his bosses are investigating.
The Drug Enforcement Administration agent, whose name was not released, was giving a gun safety presentation to about 50 adults and students organized by the Orlando Minority Youth Golf Association, witnesses and police said.
He drew his .40-caliber duty weapon and removed the magazine, according to the police report. Then he pulled back the slide and asked someone in the audience to look inside the gun and confirm it wasn't loaded, the report said.
Witnesses said the gun was pointed at the floor and when he released the slide, one shot fired into the top of his left thigh.
"The kids screamed and started to cry," said Vivian Farmer, who attended the presentation with her 13-year-old nephew.
"Everyone was pretty shaken up," Farmer said. "But the point of gun safety hit home. Unfortunately, the agent had to get shot. But after seeing that, my nephew doesn't want to have anything to do with guns."
The agent was treated at Orlando Regional Medical Center after the April 9 shooting and returned to work, DEA special agent Joe Kilmer said.
Police ruled the shooting was an accident, but the DEA headquarters in Washington was still investigating, Kilmer said.