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Offline Screwloose

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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2004, 07:10:47 PM »
The Flechette rounds I have fired are not made to penetrate, just really make someone think twice about life.  I shot one at a phone book from maybe 10 feet.  None of them got through the phone book, but they did shread it nicely.
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« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2004, 12:43:55 AM »
You guys know they make flechette rounds for the 155mm howies, right?  I saw one once.  Cool stuff.  Good story, too!
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2004, 07:10:28 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mr. Joseph</i>
<br />With an air taser, he'll get one shot, and I dont know how accurate it is.  If a bean bag cant take her down, or if she sits back up and raises a .45, there are 4 12 gauge buckshot rounds behind the beanbag.
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Why don't you just buy him a big dog then?  If she comes in the house while he's sleeping it won't matter what he has on hand as he probably won't have time to get to it anyway.  I've got a closet full of guns, but my first line of defense is my two Rottweilers.  They'll give me my early defense warning and the time I need to grab one of my guns before someone has a chance to get close enough to me, if they make it that far that is. [;)]
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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2004, 12:30:17 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Harley</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mr. Joseph</i>
<br />With an air taser, he'll get one shot, and I dont know how accurate it is.  If a bean bag cant take her down, or if she sits back up and raises a .45, there are 4 12 gauge buckshot rounds behind the beanbag.
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Why don't you just buy him a big dog then?  If she comes in the house while he's sleeping it won't matter what he has on hand as he probably won't have time to get to it anyway.  I've got a closet full of guns, but my first line of defense is my two Rottweilers.  They'll give me my early defense warning and the time I need to grab one of my guns before someone has a chance to get close enough to me, if they make it that far that is. [;)]
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That must be nice. I think my doberman would sleep through anything short of an air raid. [:)]
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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2004, 01:44:14 PM »
Harley, if you were in the same temporary situation, with only a shotgun and two Jack Russel Teriers, would you buy, raise, and train a dog, or just get a box of shotgun shells that hopefully wont kill your would-be murderer?
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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2004, 03:40:22 PM »
Well the dog pound is full of great dogs looking for a good home, so that's not really a good excuse.  Just my .02 worth Joey.  And to be totally honest with you, if someone was out to kill me, I wouldn't be so concerned with trying not to kill them at the time I was defending myself.  My priority would be staying alive. So tell dad to load up on some 00 buckshot and keep the scatter gun close by.
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« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2004, 03:43:14 PM »
If you do get 2 dogs, and crazy old lady decides to come attack your dad, if those dogs do attack her and she survives, she will claim that she was just visiting, and your dogs will be put down.
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« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2004, 04:00:38 PM »
That's when you put her down and make sure she has a weapon.  Better to have the dogs put down then you planted 6 feet under.
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« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2004, 07:10:40 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />that would be the flechette rounds.  about 50 to 100 little darts.  pretty much a cloud of metal that punches through most all cover.  not really lethal, except at close range, unless youre lucky, but the screams of pain alert you to those who lurk.
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haha, now that is a good invention,... did u hear a noise, ya in that bush, boom, owwwwww, haha insane
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« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2004, 11:40:02 PM »
I beg to differ that flechette rounds aren't lethal.  They are just as lethal as buckshot, and penetrate better.  I have seen the effects, and it isn't pretty.
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« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2004, 12:03:34 AM »
Yeah I never said it was pretty.  As for penetration, in the right places it does not need to go deep to kill you.  The Flechette rounds I was fireing would not penetrate as much as buckshot because they do not have as much mass as the buckshot does.
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« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2004, 10:13:15 PM »
Mr. Joseph, I don't quite know what your particular problems are involving your aunt are, but I just wanted to say that while it is legal to shoot someone who is making a direct threat on your life, you will almost certianly lose in a lawsuit if your agressor lives to tell about her experience. I don't mean to pry into your personal life, but someone had mentioned moving into a hotel on the other side of town for a week, that wouldn't be a bad idea. It would be better to spend a few hundred on a hotel for a while, then to lose everything in a lawsuit. I know some people who have had similar trouble and all I can say is just be safe... put yourself away from the situation.
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« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2004, 08:15:10 AM »
This problem started a few months or more ago, and will go on forever.  We do live within 20 miles of her house now though.  Once we get to phoenix its no problem.  Im not worried about it, with the legal trouble shes allready in and the visits that the cops paid to her and her husband, if I see her walking up to my house from the drive, if there is anything in her hand, shes gonna get shot, Id prefer to start with a non lethal round.  CASE CLOSED.  For everyones information, are they legal? yes  Can you mail order them online, yes?  They run 25 to 30 plus 5 shipping for 5 rounds.
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« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2004, 08:24:04 AM »
Has your dad filed a restraining order?  If so they police can arrest her anytime she comes on your dads property.  FYI, you're asking for trouble using those NON lethal rounds.  If you shoot someone with them be prepared to get sued.  Ask any cop and they'll tell you, better to put them down instead of wounding them so they can't sue the pants off you.
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« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2004, 11:54:23 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Harley</i>
<br />Has your dad filed a restraining order?  If so they police can arrest her anytime she comes on your dads property.  FYI, you're asking for trouble using those NON lethal rounds.  If you shoot someone with them be prepared to get sued.  Ask any cop and they'll tell you, better to put them down instead of wounding them so they can't sue the pants off you.
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