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Offline leakingpen

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« on: April 30, 2004, 09:48:05 AM »
i think thats a little sad, that a gun safety course is scaring people away from guns.  

now, anyone have a clue how this happened?
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2004, 09:57:01 AM »
Yea, he's an idiot and shot himself in the leg, didnt you read it.
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2004, 09:59:16 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />http://www.wftv.com/news/3254293/detail.html

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A federal drug agent shot himself in the leg during a gun safety presentation to children and his bosses are investigating.
The Drug Enforcement Administration agent, whose name was not released, was giving a gun safety presentation to about 50 adults and students organized by the Orlando Minority Youth Golf Association, witnesses and police said.

He drew his .40-caliber duty weapon and <u><b><font color="red">removed the magazine</font id="red"></b></u>, according to the police report. <u><b><font color="red">Then he pulled back the slide and asked someone in the audience to look inside the gun and confirm it wasn't loaded</font id="red"></b></u>, the report said.

Witnesses said the gun was pointed at the floor and when he released the slide, one shot fired into the top of his left thigh.

"The kids screamed and started to cry," said Vivian Farmer, who attended the presentation with her 13-year-old nephew.

"Everyone was pretty shaken up," Farmer said. "But the point of gun safety hit home. Unfortunately, the agent had to get shot. But after seeing that, my nephew doesn't want to have anything to do with guns."

The agent was treated at Orlando Regional Medical Center after the April 9 shooting and returned to work, DEA special agent Joe Kilmer said.

Police ruled the shooting was an accident, but the DEA headquarters in Washington was still investigating, Kilmer said.

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Sounds to me like the person in the audience/class who did the "confirming that it wasn't loaded" after he pulled the slide back, is *not* going to pass that particular class.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2004, 11:43:18 AM »
Oh no I said get me a "Drug Enforcement Agent", not a Drugged Agent.

Lets give these little golfers a show they'll never forget!

Besides even if the gun was not loaded, what kind of firearms instructor points a gun at himself while pulling the trigger?  He got what he deserved, unfortunatly it was in the public eye.
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2004, 11:59:19 AM »
agreed with screwloose.  the gun could be an unloaded rusty old antique without a firing pin, you STILL dont point it at yourself.  but still, chucked the magazine, worked the slide.  im sure the round in the chamber popped when he worked the slide.  where did the round come from?
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2004, 12:12:18 PM »
It doesn't mention him pulling the trigger, but dropping the slide. If his gun went off when dropping the slide, then it malfunctioned and isn't his fault.
The only way the round COULD be in the chamber is if it wasn't ejected. He should have known that the chambered round wasn't ejected.
He must have locked the slide back to allow someone to view the chamber to verify their was no round in it. Of course, asking someone who has no knowledge of firearms to check your chamber is pretty dumb in itself. He could have put the ejected round back in the chamber in the process of reloading it since it IS his duty weapon.

Note to self: don't use loaded duty weapon when showing people gun safety.
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2004, 12:49:45 PM »
Looks Like he forgot to follow the few basic rules!  How about a refresher Raven style!

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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2004, 01:58:04 PM »
well if it did go off because he pulled the trigger,

what happened to the first rule of gun safety "keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to fire."
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2004, 02:07:56 PM »
How about one of the other 4 rules:  "don't point it at anything you're not willing to destroy."  Now, I am assuming he broke that rule - maybe he was willing to destroy his leg...
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2004, 02:29:22 PM »
I keep telling you guys he was a drugged enforcement agent, Not a Drug Enforcement Agent.  Those people should ask for a refund.

Speaking of refund, I bet our tax dollars are going to his owwie right now.
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2004, 03:05:40 PM »
Been looking at picts from messageboards and events from all over. You would be amazed how many people have their finger on the trigger while standing around getting their picture taken.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2004, 03:51:16 PM »
But the trigger is made so soft and smooth... it's like your finger belongs there. J/K.
We musn't be too hard on the poor fellow, my dad used to teach gun safety courses for Game and Fish, and he has done some dumb things with guns. Even one VERY thoughtless thing that I won't tell you about, becasue even my mom doesn't know. We're waiting till me and my brother are no longer minors anymore before we tell her that one. [;)]

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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2004, 04:59:25 PM »
HAHAHA what a stupid fool.....
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2004, 06:53:09 PM »
Who here has military training? Have you ever made a mistake? OK then, he made a mistake thats all. He is not a stupid fool, he is still working to keep our country safe. If he was SF or Delta or a SEAL some of you kids would jump to say "oh it must have been a problem with the gun". Let the man who has never made mistake make the first reply please.
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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2004, 07:32:45 PM »
Well, I think the thing that speaks most poorly for him was that not only did he (1) disobey TWO of the FOUR critial rules of gun safety, but that he did so while teaching a gun safety class.
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