Federal/Lake City XM855PD

[azsarge]

I bought a case of 1,000 rounds of XM855PD from http://www.miragetechnologies.net and finished it off yesterday.  Every rounds functioned as promised.  Not one jam, misfire, or dented primer.  All casings were in perfectly serviceable condition.  The tips were indeed green.  (I read on some other forums that the tips were unpainted in certain batches)

There were a few rounds that seemed to be tracers, but all rounds had green tips.  Not sure what's up with that, but I'm not complaining.

1,000 rounds cost me $169.00, including UPS ground shipping.  I just checked and they are sold out at this time.  Keep checking back.

[gixser13]

I bought a case of 1,000 rounds of XM855PD from http://www.miragetechnologies.net and finished it off yesterday.  Every rounds functioned as promised.  Not one jam, misfire, or dented primer.  All casings were in perfectly serviceable condition.  The tips were indeed green.  (I read on some other forums that the tips were unpainted in certain batches)

There were a few rounds that seemed to be tracers, but all rounds had green tips.  Not sure what's up with that, but I'm not complaining.

1,000 rounds cost me $169.00, including UPS ground shipping.  I just checked and they are sold out at this time.  Keep checking back.

We saw a few cases at the gun show. I think it was like 50bux for 500 rds

[azsarge]

I bought a case of 1,000 rounds of XM855PD from http://www.miragetechnologies.net and finished it off yesterday.  Every rounds functioned as promised.  Not one jam, misfire, or dented primer.  All casings were in perfectly serviceable condition.  The tips were indeed green.  (I read on some other forums that the tips were unpainted in certain batches)

There were a few rounds that seemed to be tracers, but all rounds had green tips.  Not sure what's up with that, but I'm not complaining.

1,000 rounds cost me $169.00, including UPS ground shipping.  I just checked and they are sold out at this time.  Keep checking back.

We saw a few cases at the gun show. I think it was like 50bux for 500 rds

Helluva deal, IMO.  Airsofter1, Raith and I bought some factory reload M193 for 75/500 from the ammo guys from PRK and I thought that was a good deal.

I want some cheap ammo, but I don't want to use Wolf.  I burned up 1,000 rounds in a weekend, and at that rate I won't have any money for gear or airsoft guns!:shock:  Any recommendations, guys?

[PHX COBRA]

I bought a case of 1,000 rounds of XM855PD from http://www.miragetechnologies.net and finished it off yesterday.  Every rounds functioned as promised.  Not one jam, misfire, or dented primer.  All casings were in perfectly serviceable condition.  The tips were indeed green.  (I read on some other forums that the tips were unpainted in certain batches)

There were a few rounds that seemed to be tracers, but all rounds had green tips.  Not sure what's up with that, but I'm not complaining.

1,000 rounds cost me $169.00, including UPS ground shipping.  I just checked and they are sold out at this time.  Keep checking back.

We saw a few cases at the gun show. I think it was like 50bux for 500 rds

Helluva deal, IMO.  Airsofter1, Raith and I bought some factory reload M193 for 75/500 from the ammo guys from PRK and I thought that was a good deal.

I want some cheap ammo, but I don't want to use Wolf.  I burned up 1,000 rounds in a weekend, and at that rate I won't have any money for gear or airsoft guns!:shock:  Any recommendations, guys?

Save up and buy out the next gun show  :lol:
Seriously though, there isnt really any "cheap" .223 out there besides wolf.  Unless you buy in large quantities and get the discounts off that.

Look on www.ammoman.com
Pretty decent prices and shipping is included.

[azsarge]

I've found better deals than ammoman.

Everyone suggests that place, yet when I compare prices with others, ammoman is more expensive.

Example.  Case of xm855pd - 219 shipped

Same thing from Mirage - 169 shipped.  Thats a 50 dollar difference.

And I refuse to use Wolf ammo in my gat.

[Paco]

I've found better deals than ammoman.

Everyone suggests that place, yet when I compare prices with others, ammoman is more expensive.

Example.  Case of xm855pd - 219 shipped

Same thing from Mirage - 169 shipped.  Thats a 50 dollar difference.

And I refuse to use Wolf ammo in my gat.

Out of curiosity; why?

[Mugen]

I also am against using Wolf, or Silver Bear ammo in my Xm, and Ar.   They are steel cased and are somewhat corrossive(regardless of what they say) and they are hell on extractors, firing pins, and just your internals all together.

Millitary Ball/SS109s for me.

[Reaver]

I also am against using Wolf, or Silver Bear ammo in my Xm, and Ar.   They are steel cased and are somewhat corrossive(regardless of what they say) and they are hell on extractors, firing pins, and just your internals all together.

Millitary Ball/SS109s for me.

  I never have a problem with that.  Of course my guns aren't prissy American guns, but durable and rugged Soviet designs.  

[andyhinds]

I also am against using Wolf, or Silver Bear ammo in my Xm, and Ar.   They are steel cased and are somewhat corrossive(regardless of what they say) and they are hell on extractors, firing pins, and just your internals all together.

Millitary Ball/SS109s for me.

So who here has actually broken an extractor or firing pin?  I always hear people talk about how hard Wolf is on extractors.... but who has actually damaged their rifle?

[Lightning_Man]

I Have. Not broken but damaged my extractor. Back when Wolf first started rolling in (early '90s) I purchased a metric assload of it and eventually my rifle stopped ejecting reliably (after several thousand rounds) and after some investigation I found that the extractor had been worn down (confirmed by a smith) from the steel cases. Also the Smith noted that there was in his opinion excessive wear in the chamber.

[Paco]

So your problems are:

They are steel cased

I take it to mean that you are a reloader, then.  That's a valid point for reloaders and a reason not to use Wolf.

and are somewhat corrossive(regardless of what they say)

I take it that you have experience with this affecting you then...  or are you just passing along things others have said?  I'd be curious to hear your experience(s) with corrosive Wolf ammo as I have yet to have an issue with this.

and they are hell on extractors, firing pins, and just your internals all together.

I take it that you have experience with this affecting you then...  or are you just passing along things others have said?  I'd be curious to hear your experience(s).

The old lacquer coated Wolf stuff was crappy.  The coating melted in chambers and got gunk all over.  Once they switched to their new ammo, I have used Wolf a lot more often.  Personally, I use FMJ Wolf in .223 55gr and 62gr and in 7.62x39 and I use LC XM193 as well.  I have AR's that are sighted in for use with Wolf ammo and AR's that are sighted in for XM193.   I have put at least 3 or 4 times as many rounds through the AR's that run Wolf and have yet to notice any wear that isn't present on the AR's that I use XM193 with...  of course, that's just my first hand experience.

[Paco]

I Have. Not broken but damaged my extractor. Back when Wolf first started rolling in (early '90s) I purchased a metric assload of it and eventually my rifle stopped ejecting reliably (after several thousand rounds) and after some investigation I found that the extractor had been worn down (confirmed by a smith) from the steel cases. Also the Smith noted that there was in his opinion excessive wear in the chamber.

Remember, those were the days of the HORRIBLE lacquer-coated Wolf ammo.  Those days are (thankfully) gone.  Unfortunately, Wolf's reputation from those days has followed it into its new ammo:  issues which are no longer issues.

[Mugen]

I found with an Olympic AR-15 CAR that my extractor was prematurley worn from using the steel cases..replaced the part and used brass ever since.  The corrossiveness part of my statement was told to me by a Gun Shop Owner/friend that stated that Wolf/Silver Bear are mildly corrosive, and will (in time) cause damage to your bolt assemble by way of pitts and such. (I trust his judgement...) And if someone warns me of danger, or trouble..I will steer clear of that potential hazzard as not to cause needless damage to my investments.  I spend the little extra to buy the better stuff,  and no worries.  If its good enought for the US Military, its good enough for me.  Call it assurance if you will.

"If a horse falls into a hole at night with zero visibility...he will never EVER fall in that same hole twice"    Why do we fall in the same hole over and over again.....aren't we smarter than a horse?

We learn..."its our witts that makes us men."

[Paco]

I found with an Olympic AR-15 CAR that my ejector was prematurley worn from using the steel cases..replaced the part and used brass ever since.  The corrossiveness part of my statement was told to me by a Gun Shop Owner/friend that stated that Wolf/Silver Bear are mildly corrosive, and will (in time) cause damage to your bolt assemble by way of pitts and such. (I trust his judgement...) And if someone warns me of danger, or trouble..I will steer clear of that potential hazzard as not to cause needless damage to my investments.  I spend the little extra to buy the better stuff,  and no worries.  If its good enought for the US Military, its good enough for me.  Call it assurance if you will.

"If a horse falls into a hole at night with zero visibility...he will never EVER fall in that same hole twice"    Why do we fall in the same hole over and over again.....aren't we smarter than a horse?

We learn..."its our witts that makes us men."

First off, I could create lists that would have you rolling in the aisles of what gun store owners and employees have tried to pass off as truth.  Some of it is WAY out there.  Regardless, does this dealer sell Wolf ammo?  Does he sell brass cased ammo?  Which costs more?  

As far as your ejector...  I haven't ever owned an Oly AR (nor will I ever), so I can't give any first-hand info on them - I build most of my AR's from DMPS, RRA, or BM forged parts.  I try to stay away from cast metals in my AR's.  

[Reaver]

I found with an Olympic AR-15 CAR that my ejector was prematurley worn from using the steel cases..replaced the part and used brass ever since.  The corrossiveness part of my statement was told to me by a Gun Shop Owner/friend that stated that Wolf/Silver Bear are mildly corrosive, and will (in time) cause damage to your bolt assemble by way of pitts and such. (I trust his judgement...) And if someone warns me of danger, or trouble..I will steer clear of that potential hazzard as not to cause needless damage to my investments.  I spend the little extra to buy the better stuff,  and no worries.  If its good enought for the US Military, its good enough for me.  Call it assurance if you will.

"If a horse falls into a hole at night with zero visibility...he will never EVER fall in that same hole twice"    Why do we fall in the same hole over and over again.....aren't we smarter than a horse?

We learn..."its our witts that makes us men."

First off, I could create lists that would have you rolling in the aisles of what gun store owners and employees have tried to pass off as truth.  Some of it is WAY out there.  Regardless, does this dealer sell Wolf ammo?  Does he sell brass cased ammo?  Which costs more?  

As far as your ejector...  I haven't ever owned an Oly AR (nor will I ever), so I can't give any first-hand info on them - I build most of my AR's from DMPS, RRA, or BM forged parts.  I try to stay away from cast metals in my AR's.  

  Paco is exactly right.  I'll bet ten to one you'll find he's selling you brass ammo because there's more profit in it.  

  Number 2.  Even if Wolf was mildly coorosive... I'd recommend cleaning your gun after you fire it.  

  As to your parts.  Paco is very right.  DON'T use cast parts.  Forged parts won't care what ammo you run through them.  They'll also be a lot more reliable for a much longer period of time.  Hence the reason the older Soviet/Chinese guns run forever.