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G36 Hop up issue
« on: December 20, 2009, 11:32:41 AM »
My G36c I think has a hop up issue because when its dialed at none I got bbs flying in every direction possible. I think its the bucking but Im not sure.
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Re: G36 Hop up issue
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2009, 01:01:45 PM »
Disassemble your hop-up and look for anything out of the norm, clean your barrel and silicon it up, it could be either your bucking, spacer, or nozzle, a tight-bore barrel couldn't hurt either. Perhaps post specs on your hop-up assembly/barrel?
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Re: G36 Hop up issue
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2009, 01:08:10 PM »
Well I actually did the silicon and cleaning and that appeared to not work but thank you, anymore suggestions?
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Re: G36 Hop up issue
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2009, 01:16:52 PM »
what ranges are you getting before the bbs start curving? please list your specs as well, and if the parts are stock, name the brand of the gun.
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Re: G36 Hop up issue
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2009, 02:18:44 PM »
Alright its a CA G36c stock accept for a new Madbull hop up bucking that was installed a year ago. I estimate that it goes about 30 to 40 feet before it starts to curve, now keep in mind they dont always do that it will shoot straight for some but occasionally it hooks right or left, mostly right, and some go straight up.
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Re: G36 Hop up issue
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2009, 02:59:04 PM »
It probably is something to do with the bucking then, unless you are using a bad brand/weight of bbs, it could also be a problem with your air seals and o-rings if its not going very far regardless. Try another bucking if you don't mind spending the 5-7 dollars, I know APD carries the madbull hard blue buckings, I've never really looked at Gearbox for buckings but I'm sure they have them.
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Re: G36 Hop up issue
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2009, 03:08:46 PM »
Yeah that what I was thinking too but thanks bro.
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Re: G36 Hop up issue
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2009, 02:40:07 AM »
Inner barrels are every bit as capable of creating random trajectories as the hop up.  One bad BB can go through a barrel and leave a scratch that will cause BBs to lose their consistent spin and fly in random directions.  You definitely need to try switching out your barrel before you come to a conclusion.

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Re: G36 Hop up issue
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2009, 02:42:42 AM »
Quote from: "AirZoft"
Disassemble your hop-up and look for anything out of the norm, clean your barrel and silicon it up, it could be either your bucking, spacer, or nozzle, a tight-bore barrel couldn't hurt either. Perhaps post specs on your hop-up assembly/barrel?
Ummmm... the ONLY place lube should be is INSIDE YOUR GEARBOX

You want your hopup unit, nub, bucking, barrel, nozzle all to be completely dry. Take your gun back down and take the inner barrel and bucking and wash them in warm water with a tiny bit of dawn, let them air dry. Put it all back together.
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Re: G36 Hop up issue
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2009, 04:31:59 PM »
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Ummmm... the ONLY place lube should be is INSIDE YOUR GEARBOX
You want your hopup unit, nub, bucking, barrel, nozzle all to be completely dry. Take your gun back down and take the inner barrel and bucking and wash them in warm water with a tiny bit of dawn, let them air dry. Put it all back together.
Sorry to bust your cap, busta_cap, but not so.  I've worked as an airsoft technician for a living for 4 years, and every barrel and hop-up rubber needs to be lightly lubricated with 100% silicon grease.  Three reasons:
-Rubber bucking will dry and crack if it is not properly maintained with a lubricant
-Air nozzle needs to have a good seal with the hop up rubber, which isn't possible without lubrication
-BBs traveling down a smooth barrel need as little friction as possible to maintain consistency and muzzle velocity, so the barrel needs lubrication as well.

Sorry dude, you're wrong.  :D
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Re: G36 Hop up issue
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2009, 07:20:58 PM »
Quote from: "BATMAN"
Quote from: "busta_cap"
Ummmm... the ONLY place lube should be is INSIDE YOUR GEARBOX
You want your hopup unit, nub, bucking, barrel, nozzle all to be completely dry. Take your gun back down and take the inner barrel and bucking and wash them in warm water with a tiny bit of dawn, let them air dry. Put it all back together.
Sorry to bust your cap, busta_cap, but not so.  I've worked as an airsoft technician for a living for 4 years, and every barrel and hop-up rubber needs to be lightly lubricated with 100% silicon grease.  Three reasons:
-Rubber bucking will dry and crack if it is not properly maintained with a lubricant
-Air nozzle needs to have a good seal with the hop up rubber, which isn't possible without lubrication
-BBs traveling down a smooth barrel need as little friction as possible to maintain consistency and muzzle velocity, so the barrel needs lubrication as well.

Sorry dude, you're wrong.  :D
-BATMAN
Uhh, Nope. The Nozzle should meet the hopup chamber at tight tolerances, but you would need quite a bit of GREASE to actually maintain a steady seal if there was that much of a gap, and then grease is going to go flying into your bucking and barrel. This is why having a properly fitted nozzle and bucking with the proper taper is important.
BB's are typically 5.95mm and SHOULD be within a .01mm tolerance as well as highly polished. Inner barrels that have the best consistencies are the tighest tolerance without interferance, as well as having the most consistent tolerance down the barrel. The BB is meant the actually fly down the barrel riding on a constant cushion of air around the bb and behind it, not slide along the barrel..If you use lubrication inside your barrel and hopup it will actually create fliers and inconsistencies due to a few reasons explained in the following diagram. It's simple physics.  
As Far as the hopup rubber goes, if you use a quality rubber it should not crack. Maybe over tens of thousands of rounds. Also, hopup rubbers are not meant to last forever. The problem with adding silicon is, again, you can never coat it perfectly, the surface of the rubber would come precoated if that was the case.


If you don't believe me, with all your vast knowledge, I can certainly refer you to some people who have pushed little plastic balls passed the limits of what most people dream of, Clarence Lai the Co founder of Redwolf Airsoft and Airsoft Surgeon, Or Mike Of Righthook Fabrication, or Ben Satori of Satori industries, Troy Kim of 2roy. I doubt any of these people will tell you to lube your hopup rubber on the inside, nor the barrel.

If you plan to have a rebuttle to this post, please atleast provide me with some data or theory behind your statements. Shellackin' lube inside your hopup and barrel just won't cut it.
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Re: G36 Hop up issue
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2009, 08:24:45 PM »
Umm, it's a pretty well established fact that rubber seals need at least some lubrication to seal properly.  Throwing names like Righthook and Satori around as people who you think agree with you is irrelevant, if for no other reason than the fact they build bolt action guns, not AEG's.
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Re: G36 Hop up issue
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2009, 08:38:38 PM »
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Umm, it's a pretty well established fact that rubber seals need at least some lubrication to seal properly.  Throwing names like Righthook and Satori around as people who you think agree with you is irrelevant, if for no other reason than the fact they build bolt action guns, not AEG's.
AEG or bolt action it doesn't matter. The fact remains the same, if your parts are built right, with the correct tolerances, you don't need lubrication to seat between a nozzle and air chamber. And I don't THINK they agree, I know they do. It may not matter too much on a GBB pistol with a four inch barrel, but when you have a BB flying down a barrel 12+inches long at 300mph, it's a bit different. The problem is that AEG's aren't built with great tolerances for the most part. They don't match air seals(buckings) to nozzles. Do I need to draw you guys more pics? I mean, really, this is stuff you guys should have learned in high school physics.
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Re: G36 Hop up issue
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2009, 09:01:11 PM »
Have you even met RightHook Mike?

Cause I have.

And it's Ben Satoru, bro.

Saying you don't need lube on your hop rubber is silly. Why the fuck would you have a puddle of silicon oil on the inside of your barrel anyway?

A light film coating is all that's necessary. It's no different than the coating applied to the barrels to remove any pitting or imperfections.

Deeds, not words, busta_cap. Come out to a game and prove all this empirical knowledge; until then your posts are hearsay at best, wrong and misleading at worst.

I also highly doubt you actually shot that smiley face target on your Facebook at 250 feet. Unless that was with a .22LR.
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Re: G36 Hop up issue
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2009, 09:11:06 PM »
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Have you even met RightHook Mike?

Cause I have.

And it's Ben Satoru, bro.

Saying you don't need lube on your hop rubber is silly. Why the **** would you have a puddle of silicon oil on the inside of your barrel anyway?

A light film coating is all that's necessary. It's no different than the coating applied to the barrels to remove any pitting or imperfections.

Deeds, not words, busta_cap. Come out to a game and prove all this empirical knowledge; until then your posts are hearsay at best, wrong and misleading at worst.

I also highly doubt you actually shot that smiley face target on your Facebook at 250 feet. Unless that was with a .22LR.

Nope, I don't need to meet someone to know what they have done and how they did it. But since you asked, I have spoken to him on a handful of occasions on these very things and observed him speaking of the such.

You are talking about a coating like a polish, where it actually creates a layer of polish that hardens and not a coating of oil..

I really could care what YOU think of all people, because you can't seem to get off your high horse for two seconds to see anything outside your blinders.
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