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Legal Issues with minors playing airsoft...
« on: July 25, 2007, 12:58:42 PM »
I am writing a brief involving liability releases and in the course of my research I came upon some interesting case law.

IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

In Hohe v. San Diego School District, 274 Cal. Rptr. 647 (Ct. App. 1990), The California Court of Appeals held that an injured party could not disavow a signed release of liability simply because she was a minor.

Under California law, and thus for events in California, together with a well written waiver signed by both parent and minor player, the event organizer could be insulated from liability for contemplated injuries sustained at an airsoft event.

THE PROBLEM IN ARIZONA

Although Arizona oftentimes reads California cases as persuasive, the state of the law and public policy in Arizona precludes this same result.

Arizona law has long looked with disfavor and skepticism on liability releases even for adults.  The burden of proof of the viability of the relase is on the event organizer trying to use the release as a shield and the release is very strictly construed against the event organizer.

Although Arizona has yet to consider the exact issue of minors and liability releases at the appeals level, the general public policy here is that minors will be protected from parental actions that foreclose a minor's right to recover in tort against an event organizer [by way of a parentally signed liability release].

A Colorado appeals court has useed the same points of analysis applicable in Arizona in Cooper v. Aspen Skiing Co., 48 P.3d 1229 (Colo. 2002)(en banc), to establish that even a well informed release of liability will not be held valid.

The Court reasoned that because a parent may not release their child's cause of action AFTER an injury, it makes no sense to authorize a parent to release a child's cause of action prior to an injury in the form of a release of liability.

The general result of raising a liability release as a defense in Arizona trial courts today is that the release will not prevent a lawsuit brought by or on behalf of a minor.

For airsoft, or any other sport.

A well written waiver that contains precise education about the specific risks and dangers of the sport and is signed by both parent and minor can still be used to establish a defense based on assumption of the risk, but again its a question of fact that will only be decided by a jury.

And a jury means you just spent a lot of money on defense lawyers.

Food for thought.... flame away....
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2007, 01:13:37 PM »
Good Post Doc. Very intresting Food for thought.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2007, 01:27:34 PM »
Wow, I never realized before just how much legal trouble one of us minors plus one small accident/act of stupidity can cause. :shock:
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2007, 02:02:51 PM »
Hopefully this will stop the minors from bickering about playing with the Adult Generation.

By no means am I speaking bad towards the minors. I just hope this brings a new perspective to mind the next time a post is brought up.
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2007, 02:20:42 PM »
Quote from: "SilverLogic"
Hopefully this will stop the minors from bickering about playing with the Adult Generation.


That's like asking for an end to holy wars.
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2007, 04:11:20 PM »
Thank you.... 8)
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2007, 04:12:12 PM »
We can always say at every event there are naked ladies and beer :P
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2007, 04:15:26 PM »
Sometimes there are... coldburn anyone?
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2007, 04:26:46 PM »
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Sometimes there are... coldburn anyone?


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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2007, 04:30:51 PM »
here's where sammy 16 year old comes along and says.

"Nothing will happen to me, and if it does, I'm not a pansy, I wont go crying to mom and dad"

anyone who was going to actually argue that... don't.
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2007, 04:47:56 PM »
Perhaps this thread should be stickied or added to the FAQ.
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2007, 04:59:19 PM »
Doc, Is this a more or less accurate laymens interpretation of the legalese?

A liability release which is very general and just states something along the lines of "If you hurt yourself while at event X the organizers of the event are not liable"  would not protect you from legal action...even if the participant was an adult.

So in order for a release to be worth the paper its written on, you must specifically list the individual risks associated with the activity. That being said, If some injury isn't listed and somebody is injured in that manner, then the release is useless?

Is that more or less accurate?
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2007, 12:53:37 AM »
Quote from: "LaserRacer"
Doc, Is this a more or less accurate laymens interpretation of the legalese?

A liability release which is very general and just states something along the lines of "If you hurt yourself while at event X the organizers of the event are not liable"  would not protect you from legal action...even if the participant was an adult.

So in order for a release to be worth the paper its written on, you must specifically list the individual risks associated with the activity. That being said, If some injury isn't listed and somebody is injured in that manner, then the release is useless?

Is that more or less accurate?


kind of in a limited sense, but the legal analysis of getting there is much more complicated because public policy issues come into play in addition to the basic law of contract construction -  because a general release is among many things, a contract.

But in law there is no absolute black and white.....
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2007, 01:29:06 AM »
Great post Doc. Law is starting to fascinate me more and more.

Sticky???
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2007, 12:14:57 PM »
Quote from: "Ares"
here's where sammy 16 year old comes along and says.

"Nothing will happen to me, and if it does, I'm not a pansy, I wont go crying to mom and dad"

anyone who was going to actually argue that... don't.


Yeah but its not the minor that sues, its mommy and daddy.
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