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General Airsoft Arizona => Site Suggestions => Topic started by: kman94 on January 16, 2012, 03:00:09 PM
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So ive noticed a sudden outbreak of videos of cheaters (especially at vanguard), and i was looking through the thread when someone suggested a wall of shame, and i think it should be an entire topic.
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My personal opinion is no, because eventually everyone would be on the wall of shame for cheating. wether they didnt know or they did there would be soooo many cheating videos and all that would do would hurt us as a community.
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we can and have started our own topic on this.
the ones that have been posted up the way they have, are repeat offenders.
they are people that have commited mutiple offences of blatant cheating.
not people that have once in a while not felt a hit.
and they are also people that have most likely seen the videos and have made no attempt to appoligize to the comunity or admit they were wrong. and they deserve to be where they are.
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I hope that next time, the camera follows them to the staging area and captures their faces with the mask off.
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I hope that next time, the camera follows them to the staging area and captures their faces with the mask off.
I came close to doing this at Hatfield on Sunday without realizing it. There was one individual that was... questionable... and I have him on camera, but not close enough to recognize his face.
I'm sure others could ID him from the vehicle he was set up at, but I'm letting this one go since he did call out when I shot him in the face.
Sometimes I hate myself for being such a nice guy. >:(
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It's a sad fact that people will not call hits . :(
this horse has already been beaten to death
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A wall of shame wouldn't be a bad thing it might stop people from thinking about cheating. for the people that do cheat that are caught on video they will be know to the other airsofters that play. a wall of shame would be more of a deterrent to stop people from cheating. not everyone would go on the wall, if a guy takes 10 shots to the body and wont call his hits it makes the game not fun play, someone like that would be but on the wall not someone that doesn't feel he is getting hit.
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What exactly would this accomplish? Ok, so you may be able to recognize a cheater before the game. Then what? You go home because there's a cheater there? You certainly can't prevent him from playing. Especially if you are at a pay to play field and he's already paid. Going up to him and calling him out as a cheater isn't going to do anything, he already knows he cheats. It's no different than people who cheat in online games. Telling everyone he's a cheater doesn't do anything unless you've got someone with the authority to throw him out. Don't get me wrong, I understand the frustration but I don't see how this would help unless you can get the field to ban the player in question. It's really just so people can vent.
Stooping to their level does nothing but make you a bit of a dick. While giving them a 203 to the face (or something similar) may give you a bit of enjoyment at their expense, it's not going to stop them from cheating. More importantly if you catch an innocent player in the crossfire you're as likely to get in trouble as the cheater. Airsoft is supposed to be a sport of honor. The honorable thing to do is roll with the punches and keep playing. Life isn't fair, anyone who says otherwise is selling something. Finding ways to retaliate is no more honorable than the person cheating. If the field has a ref/admin, tell them what happened. That should be the end of it as far as you are concerned.
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my opinion is, the people who are against this are the nes who are afraid to be caught, i hate cheaters, im 14, and people my age get judged alot, i dont want that to affect peoples view of me as a cheater as well, i think the wall of shame should be put up to catch the cheaters to show it is not just kids who cheat, adults as well, thats just my say
:P
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At first I thought a wall of shame with video evidence of cheaters was a good idea. But since I've been playing for years and can count the number of REAL cheaters I've encountered on one hand, it doesn't concern me much. I'm sure there are lots of veterans who would agree with me. (BTW, I know sign language and can technically count to 999 on one hand, but I haven't encountered more than 3 genuine cheaters :P )
my opinion is, the people who are against this are the nes who are afraid to be caught,
I can see how you might think that, but it's not entirely true; those who are against this idea just feel like it's another pointless thing a nanny-state would impose on its subjects to try to make life good for everyone. A wall of shame seems more like a haven for tattle-tales.
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A wall of shame.... i can say that this is only to encourage trolls to make ruining games more tempting. I agree that it is not that big a deal and if a wall of shame is to exist that it be named blacklist and be less public and more for those organizing games like previously stated. I mean the wall of shame would be a point of conflict and would make the game more like chat room with trolls and whiny whiners.
Lastly, i don't think that many people cheat. I mean i havn't played too long yet, but it is easy to spot immature players at the start. Make it known every game what the rules are and just stress that point.
Last alternative is that you go up close and call the hit the good old fasion way and pelt them full auto till they call it .... that's what i do just so you all know to call hits when i shoot at you, or i will go rambo on ya and sneak up with a nerf axe!!! HAHAHA
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I play with some of the guys that are against this. And i must say that in no way,shape or form are they cheaters. They call there shots even if they aren't sure about it!
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I play with some of the guys that are against this. And i must say that in no way,shape or form are they cheaters. They call there shots even if they aren't sure about it!
That's the way it's supposed to be played.
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honestly is our community this screwed up? how hard is it for people to play fair?
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honestly is our community this screwed up? how hard is it for people to play fair?
Since when has the human race played fair? There's cheaters in everything in life no matter what you do. You either deal with it and move on or you let it get to you. In airsoft it's the same thing. I deal with it and move on and if I have a problem with them more than once then I might or might not confront them about it. Most of the time people who are seen cheating can't tell if they were hit or not but if they have to take a minute to think it then they should just call themselves out. One guy at Hatfield had the drop on me from about 30 feet behind me and was shooting but his hop was tuned too high and couldn't hit me. I turned around and realized he had the drop after he shot about 10-15 shots and I called myself out as he would have hit me if he wasn't having problems with his hop. Could I have not called myself out and shot him? Yes but that would have caused a problem and I just like to play to have fun. There's always another game after that one. People will always get mad at another person for cheating but that's life. You deal with it and move on.
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honestly is our community this screwed up? how hard is it for people to play fair?
Since when has the human race played fair? There's cheaters in everything in life no matter what you do. You either deal with it and move on or you let it get to you. In airsoft it's the same thing. I deal with it and move on and if I have a problem with them more than once then I might or might not confront them about it. Most of the time people who are seen cheating can't tell if they were hit or not but if they have to take a minute to think it then they should just call themselves out. One guy at Hatfield had the drop on me from about 30 feet behind me and was shooting but his hop was tuned too high and couldn't hit me. I turned around and realized he had the drop after he shot about 10-15 shots and I called myself out as he would have hit me if he wasn't having problems with his hop. Could I have not called myself out and shot him? Yes but that would have caused a problem and I just like to play to have fun. There's always another game after that one. People will always get mad at another person for cheating but that's life. You deal with it and move on.
i do the same thing because i was playing at fightertown and a guy (who is infamous for having a really shot fuse) shot 2 of my guys and had the drop on me, granted he didnt hit me i just gave him it because i didnt want to cause a problem either.
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i do the same thing because i was playing at fightertown and a guy (who is infamous for having a really shot fuse) shot 2 of my guys and had the drop on me, granted he didnt hit me i just gave him it because i didnt want to cause a problem either.
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Lol.. sounds lke me at fightertown.. It almost came to blows once I was so mad... .. But seriously there are some people that just cannot stand losing so bad that they turn in their integrity for a short unnoticed second of glory, soon to be forgotten. but the knowledge that they are cheaters truly lies in their hearts and that is all they need in my book.
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lol, i love people with a short fuse, they want to come to fists, i bet what comes next won't be a bb. and you won't need to call it , you'ed feel it......2 hours later when you wake up lol. i'm so synical.
But ya, it is a silly thing.
cheaters cheat and are sad.
players that obide by the rules have the most fun anyway. if only the cheaters could understand that they would see.
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What exactly would this accomplish? Ok, so you may be able to recognize a cheater before the game. Then what? You go home because there's a cheater there? You certainly can't prevent him from playing. Especially if you are at a pay to play field and he's already paid. Going up to him and calling him out as a cheater isn't going to do anything, he already knows he cheats. It's no different than people who cheat in online games. Telling everyone he's a cheater doesn't do anything unless you've got someone with the authority to throw him out. Don't get me wrong, I understand the frustration but I don't see how this would help unless you can get the field to ban the player in question. It's really just so people can vent.
Stooping to their level does nothing but make you a bit of a dick. While giving them a 203 to the face (or something similar) may give you a bit of enjoyment at their expense, it's not going to stop them from cheating. More importantly if you catch an innocent player in the crossfire you're as likely to get in trouble as the cheater. Airsoft is supposed to be a sport of honor. The honorable thing to do is roll with the punches and keep playing. Life isn't fair, anyone who says otherwise is selling something. Finding ways to retaliate is no more honorable than the person cheating. If the field has a ref/admin, tell them what happened. That should be the end of it as far as you are concerned.
Exactly. Labeling someone as a cheater forever is also a problem because if they ever learn from their mistakes and stop cheating, that label won't go away. So if you happen to shoot at that player and miss, it doesn't matter because he's a "cheater" so even tho he was a hundred feet away and it was windy, he was cheating.
So what do players start doing.. cheating against the cheater. It's only fair, right?
No. The number one cause of cheating is labeling other players as cheaters and justifying cheating toward them in return. I've reffed a lot of games and the players I see not calling their hits the most are the ones who complain about other players cheating.
Call your hits. Set a good example if your opponent doesn't do the same.
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Idk if this would solve the problem if the people cheating aren't on AA but if I'm shooting at someone and I know there hit and they don't call their hit I've either kept shooting or gone on to another target
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If it goes on for long enough, plenty of people will single out "cheaters." As for disciplinary action, such a thing as policing, harassing, or kicking people off fields will only drop numbers. Addressing it at the point of the incident, is the best way to handle cheating. If they do not learn then, there will be a next time. Have fun guys!
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I think this is a legit idea. Obviously there have been some great points made, but what this does is expose the person for what he or she is, a cheater. What it would do for us as a community is allow us to not treat this member as a " fellow " airsoft person. Instead, make them feel uncomfortable while being on a team. Sounds rude, but it's tough love. Could show people how upsetting it is to invest money in a sport that relies on the honor system, and have that system jacked up
Just my 2 cents though
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Make them uncomfortable how? I've never met a cheater in any sport/hobby who stopped because people told him they didn't like it when he cheats.
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For what it's worth back in Ohio we have done this to an extent and it has worked well for the most part. The hosting team at a local field has been wearing Contour helmet cameras while playing (about 12 guys with these) and if they catch someone breaking a rule when looking over the footage they take a screenshot and post it up on the AAR. Cheating, full auto indoors, crossing AO boundries, etc.. are all fair game. While I do not think a "hall of shame" is necessary a little bit of public humility goes a long way in sport where ego runs high. Just my 2 cents.
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The problem at Vanguard boils down to little kids and people who are new to the game, They just dont know or are blatanly cheating...every game I have gone to that is run and has in attendance veterens, I have never come across a cheater. Like Xavier said just roll with it, and when in doubt full auto the shit out of them, they will call out eventually.
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why not just get a magnified scope, and when you watch them go ahh! and duck. put another one right in the sweet spot, weather it the back of the arm, the neck, ass cheak or any exposed flesh, or tight to the skin clothes.
works fine for me unless there blatently cheating.
Or give them a nice .4 bb to one of tho's area's. people tend to call it when they get hit by somthing that feels like a rock.
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cant we just use sim tac rounds on cheaters they just hit a little harder then 6mm bb. though i would start aiming for the groin for extra sweet punishment ^_^