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Offline Cochise

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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2005, 09:20:57 PM »
I don't think anyone mentioned that since the gun is a Classic Army, it is already "upgraded" when compared to stock TM AEGs.

I have been through numerous AEGs and am now onto something new again  :D .  My first personal rule is to never upgrade a gun before using it.  you'll then know what it can/cannot do.  From there, you can do research to find out what will help with what it cannot do.  After any upgrade, you'll also know what it did before so you'll know that it is truly upgraded and not just different than stock.
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2005, 09:24:30 PM »
Quote from: "Cochise"
I don't think anyone mentioned that since the gun is a Classic Army, it is already "upgraded" when compared to stock TM AEGs.

I have been through numerous AEGs and am now onto something new again  :D .  My first personal rule is to never upgrade a gun before using it.  you'll then know what it can/cannot do.  From there, you can do research to find out what will help with what it cannot do.  After any upgrade, you'll also know what it did before so you'll know that it is truly upgraded and not just different than stock.
As anyone such as myself who either a SPC or RIS M15a4 from CA can attest, the FPS out of box is quite a bit lower than the other models. For some odd reason I guess CA stuck a weaker spring or somethin in there. Now I could be wrong, but I think the RIS and SPC shoot about 290 out of box, and the others about 320-330 out of box.
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2005, 01:41:01 AM »
I would also reccomend against upgrading your first gun, and for the same reasons.  However, you don't have to get a 400fps spring to shoot 400fps.  My TM M4A1 was upgraded at WGC with metal bushings, flat steel gears, and a 350fps spring.  It now clocks at 395fps...with the same spring it had when I ordered it.  A tight barrel, metal nozzle, and high-quality piston and cylinder head will add a good deal to the muzzle velocity of the pellet without stressing the system that much more.  

However, I've also had my share of problems.  The hop-up is VERY sensitive and demands a delicate touch.  The 6.03mm barrel will not tolerate poor-quality BBs (Not a problem, since I use Excels...), and my neighbors were well aware whenever I worked on that #$*&! gearbox the first few times.  And it's completely useless for CQB and at night because I don't have a spare gearbox, and swapping springs in the field is for emergencies only.  Get a good gas gun for indoors, and consider a dedicated gun for CQB and night ops for later on.

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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2005, 06:24:16 AM »
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Since this is your only AEG, you're going to want to use it in outdoor skirmishes and indoor CQB. It would be best to keep it at its current FPS, that way you will be able to use it for CQB (no one wants to be shot with a 400 FPS gun from 10 feet away).

BS.  We rarely go in the house.  The suggestion to keep it where it's at for awhile is legit however.  Get used to it's shortcomings (compared to a real M16), then upgrade later.

You have to understand Lightning-Man, to some of these dudes "CQB" is shooting into a ruined building from 20 feet outside and yelling "CLEAR CLEAR, ONE UP, TWO UP, GO GO GO!"  Discovery channel and Blackhawk Down special features will do that to 'em. :lol:

I played with a stock TM M4 (276 fps with .20g) for the first 7-8 months with AA.  Needless to say, I appreciated the nealry 100% increase in fps after upgrading.


Well I CQB quite a bit with my friend... so, regardless of what you play or how often you do it... it's not BS... nobody wants to get a face full at 400 FPS.
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2005, 09:04:15 AM »
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Here I am, a newbie and already giving advise.  If any of the "Old School" players want to correct me, please do.  

I purchased a CA M15A4 as my first gun.  Great Gun!!! You made a good choice.  Only, do not upgrade the gun yet!!!  I'll let you learn from my experience.  When I first got the gun, the FPS was on the low side so I got a M120 spring to try and bring the FPS up.  WRONG!!  Once I cracked open the mechbox, and replaced the spring, the gears would not pull the piston back and if it did it only went so far then jammed.  After many, many, many hours of trying to get the shimming right and then going to a M100 spring, my gun shoots like a dream!!!!   Also replaced the cylinder, piston to bring up the FPS as my stock parts had NO seal around the piston head.  Also went to a small bore barrell.  

Now, if I were you, I'd not mess with the gear box first, get a small bore barrell, will improve effeciency a little and most of all accuracy.  Then after you have played with the gun for awhile, get a stronger spring.  

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Your problem may have been due to a battery that wasn't strong enough to do the job.  As long as you didn't move the shims when you initally installed the M120 there should not be any issues with the gear box.  600mah batteries will not do the job with heavier springs.

I've also noticed after working on several Classic Army M16's and M4's that the O-ring they are installing at the factory is undersized and does not provide a good seal.  Whether they are doing this on purpose or not I don't know but going to your local Ace hardward store and finding a better fitting O-ring for .25 will make a big difference.
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2005, 09:16:14 AM »
I just bought (waiting for it to arrive) the ICS M4 upper gearbox upgrade kit (it includes the entire upper gearbox assembly) has anybody else bought this before??  I'm wondering if it comes with instructions on assembly, somebody mentioned to me that it might not......
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2005, 09:20:14 AM »
No instructions, but all you do is this.

1. hit the forward assist to release the piston
2. crack open the receiver halves
3. pull out the old upper gear box
4. insert the new upper gear box
5. close it up and start shooting.
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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2005, 09:33:36 AM »
The new upper comes disassembled (I;ve never actually taken one apart before :( )
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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2005, 09:37:26 AM »
Disasembled.. really?  Well if you've ever worked on a regular version 2 gear box it's the same thing only you're just working with the piston, cylinder head, spring and spring guide is all.  You sure it's disasembled, Srewloose bought one and I was certain it came assembled.  Make sure you have some silcone shock oil to lube the piston o-ring with.
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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2005, 11:06:54 AM »
Hmmm looks like you were right.  I could have sworn there was somebody selling them already assembled.

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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2005, 12:05:17 PM »
Thats the one... I'm going to wait until it shows up and see if it comes with grease.  You'd think it would since you need some when you assemble it.  Like I said, I didn't see instructions in there, but you'd think they'd include some for people that have never put one together.
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2005, 12:07:13 PM »
I wouldn't hold my breath on the grease.  I know the System upgrade kits don't come with it.
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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2005, 12:09:56 PM »
I'll go by autozone or checkers and see if they have any.
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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2005, 12:21:01 PM »
Try the local hobby shops.  You want 100% pure Silicone oil, the heavier the better.
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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2005, 12:29:01 PM »
I've got some grease in a real steel M16 cleaning kit.  It a military kit I got off my father-in-law doesn't say what kind of grease it is though.
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