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Post by: Paco on April 16, 2003, 09:56:15 AM: Anyone up for a day of real steel shooting? For those who have rifles/handguns, when is best for you guys? Maybe those of us who don't have the guns and are interested in meeting up should be the ones to supply all the ammo...

Is Ben Avery the best place to go?
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Post by: Paco on April 16, 2003, 10:15:58 AM: I checked out http://www.mandallshooting.com/ (http://www.mandallshooting.com/)

It looks like the place to go... $50/hour for machineguns? Cool.
I'll see if I can talk my wife into going there with me sometime...

Thanks for the info John and Ed.
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Post by: Harley on April 16, 2003, 10:43:04 AM: Hmmm, they dropped their price. Last time I rented one there they charged $100 an hour. Business must be slow. Go have some fun Jason, you'll get hooked!
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Post by: Harley on April 16, 2003, 10:44:49 AM: I'm all for a day at the range. Let me know when, we already know where.
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Post by: Legs on April 16, 2003, 02:13:10 PM: I am in for any Saturday morning you guys want to shoot, but the indoor ranges charge way too much. For $4 I can shoot all day long at Ben Avery. I used to work at the biggest (formerly, anyway) indoor range in the Valley and while it's nice, it's pricey.
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Post by: Paco on April 16, 2003, 02:30:00 PM: The only reason I'd go to the indoor range is because of the gun rentals. If you guys supply the guns, then I am all for going to Ben Avery. Let me ask my wife, and maybe we can tentatively plan it for the 26th of this month... ?
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Post by: Screwloose on April 16, 2003, 07:03:13 PM: Avery is probably closer for most of you guys. Personally I hate the guys over at Mandalls, they are always jerks when I have been in there. Shooters world somewhere off of indian school does rentals also. Have not been there yet, but have heard some good things. I go to Phoenix Rod and Gun club, but I live on the south side of town. PHX R & G is open to the public on Sat & Sun, it costs $5 per person. But you bring your own stuff, and it's not nearly as big as Avery.
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Post by: Legs on April 17, 2003, 10:45:18 AM: My Beretta can be used by anyone who comes, especially if they bring some 9MM ammo! Heck, you can shoot up the whole box if you wish through my gun. I'll also bring out a gorgeous Browning lever action .22 rifle I inherited. Not a round through it yet so I want to break it in.
I'll check on that date, Jason.
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Post by: The Eradicator on April 17, 2003, 10:49:22 AM: I go to the Rio Solado Shooting range out here at UseryPass Rd.
$3 to shoot and I have quite a few pisols and rifles to shoot!
All you would need is to buy your own amo for them!
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Post by: TheCrow on April 17, 2003, 10:03:58 PM: I'll bring my Desert Eagle .44 Magnum, S&W M4586 .45ACP, and Mossberg M590 12 gauge!!!

-The Crow
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Post by: Paco on April 18, 2003, 06:12:08 AM: I called Mikey - he can't make it (was really disappointed), but John is in, I will be there (with my wife) and Kyle said he will try to nake it. Vell, if you can be there too, that would be cool! John said it would be best to meet there at about 7:45AM (Sat the 26th).

As a side note, I went to Mandall's last night and shot a 9mm HK USP and MP5. [:D]
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Post by: The Eradicator on April 18, 2003, 06:55:25 AM: Have fun!
Too far for me to shoot when I have a range near my house.
Just be safe!
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Post by: Pancho on April 18, 2003, 07:00:10 AM: Jason (Nelson): Thats too far for me also.
Maybe we can go sometime. I don't care for Rio Salado, so I have a real nice spot I go to about 2 miles south of the Rennaisance Festival. Very flat, and a nice clear line of fire about 250 yards.
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Post by: The Eradicator on April 18, 2003, 07:16:34 AM: When you want to go??
I go anytime! That's the fun of owning your own business!
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Post by: Harley on April 18, 2003, 07:50:30 AM: Rio Salado is a nice range, but for those of us on the west side it's way too far to drive when Ben Avery is right by us. I'll be bringing my Bushmaster M4, Bushmaster/Colt HBAR Elite, Beretta 92 9mm, Charles Daily Commander .45, Ruger Mark 1 .22, Ruger 10/22 Chevy Challenge.

If you want to shoot any of them just bring the appropriate ammo. .223, .45, and/or 9mm. I have pleanty of .22 ammo so don't worry about that.
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Post by: The Eradicator on April 18, 2003, 08:36:45 AM: Well that is fine!
I will shoot here and you will shoot there Harley!
Have fun!
and remember...
"Just don't shoot your eye out with that thing!"
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Post by: Harley on April 18, 2003, 08:55:33 AM: It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt!
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Post by: The Eradicator on April 18, 2003, 08:59:51 AM: YES!
Just don't do something stupid[:o)] and then there won't be someone getting hurt![xx(]
Have a good time![:D]

At least it beats a poke in the eye!?[B)]
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Post by: Pancho on April 18, 2003, 09:08:36 AM: Jason Nelson. Other than Easter, my next day off is April 30th. We can go then if you don't have any shoots or sittings.
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Post by: The Eradicator on April 18, 2003, 09:25:40 AM: I think that will work?
If there is something that comes up I will let you know!
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Post by: Paco on April 25, 2003, 08:00:45 AM: Okay... so far it's John, Vell, Kyle (?) and myself + my wife. Is anyone else coming?

So we're meeting at 7:45AM or so at Ben Avery?

We need to bring .223, .45 and 9mm, right?
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Post by: Harley on April 25, 2003, 09:03:08 AM: Try to make it by 7:30, otherwise we may have to wait an hour to get a table. Kyle isn't coming from what I've been told. There's room for more if any of you guys want to tag along.
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Post by: Legs on April 25, 2003, 12:20:52 PM: I can't make it but if anyone wants to wing by my place on the awy up you can take my Beretta. It'd be a spare gun so someone doesn't have to wait. I have to work all day or I don't get my Minimi!!!
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Post by: Basher on May 05, 2003, 09:45:38 PM: Jason,

How'd you like that MP5? I had the chance to shoot one this past weekend, and it was a blast. There's a trick to controlling muzzle rise with them. Place the stock on your chest just inside your strongside nipple. Put your elbows way out, push the gun into your chest, and then fold your arms as far down as they will go. Now the hardest part: getting your head low enough to use the sights! The gentleman that took me this past weekend works for Phoenix SAU, so he showed me all the tricks.

I also put about 150 rounds through his AR15 (preban, tons of goodies). That was a hoot as well. I also got to shoot an assortment of other handguns. All in all, a very nice day. If you every get the chance, try that MP5 out at 100 yards. Use the smallest diopter, and have at it! I was blasting away at a big 44oz foam cup all day, and didn't even have to hold over to hit it.

Nick R.
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Post by: Harley on May 06, 2003, 07:19:52 AM: The guy that taught me how to shoot an MP5 is a police instructor. His method is way different than the one you just explained. I don't think that style would work in a CQB environment, "elbows way out" you need to be tight and compact. Pull the gun in tight to your shoulder, elbows in tight, and "hunker down" to keep the muzzle under control baby!
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Post by: Harley on May 06, 2003, 09:28:26 AM: Just re-read your post Basher, I understand what you were saying now. Basically the same thing I did. It's amazing how you can group a full mag into a 3 inch circle on full auto with one of these baby's when it's done right.
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Post by: Legs on May 06, 2003, 10:04:46 AM: I've never needed any specific holds or positions to use an MP5 of any variant. They are simply the finest shooting subguns on earth. My wife even fired nearly perfectly with one without having had any prior experience. I'm not bragging...it's the gun. Glad you had a good time, Basher. They are awesome guns to shoot and you can engage at any small arms distance with total confidence.
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Post by: Basher on May 06, 2003, 09:33:44 PM: Harley,

Sorry I got you confused. [:D] The main difference between your style and mine is that the butt of the stock is on your chest. It worked rather well. Our target was out at about 25-30 yards, so groups weren't all too great, but I did hit the guy, so. . . However, that's the first time my peck's ever gotten sore from shooting. After putting about 200+ rounds through the thing, you get a pinch tender. [:P] I'd love to go back out, though. I missed getting to use an AUG by this much II (space between I's).

Since I'm in photo, I get to develop my own film, so now I have 25 pictures of pure full-auto bliss. The best pictures are those of his 9 year old son emptying a mag through the MP5. The thing is almost as big as he is!

Nick R.
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Post by: Harley on May 07, 2003, 07:12:30 AM: When ever I get melencoly, I pull out my copy of "Firestorm in the Desert" throw it in the VCR and it puts a smile on my face. A must have for any full-auto enthusist!
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Post by: Wolf on May 07, 2003, 03:27:26 PM: You guys are killing me [xx(] I want to shoot full auto so much, but have never been able to [V] I'll just keep hoping I get the chance [:D]

Harley, where can I buy the video you are talking about?
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Post by: Harley on May 08, 2003, 07:13:32 AM: From Dillon Precision, right here in Phoenix. Here's their site.

http://www.dillonprecision.com/ (http://www.dillonprecision.com/)
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Post by: Basher on May 09, 2003, 04:12:54 PM: I might have to get a copy myself. I'm hooked now! At least I have somebody in the neighborhood to talk to about it! :D

Nick R.
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Post by: Bhodi on May 13, 2003, 02:20:15 PM: "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security, and happiness,the rifle and pistol are indispensible...
The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference...They deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
- George Washington
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Post by: Harley on May 13, 2003, 04:34:54 PM: Amen brother!
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Post by: rhino on May 13, 2003, 08:06:33 PM: Harley
I bought that DVD firestorm in the desert
Man thats is awesome, talk about fire power
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Post by: Raven1 on May 13, 2003, 11:11:53 PM: Man you guys! What a bunch of uneducated beer swilling rednecks! So um, whne's the next showing and hey Harley pass me a beer would ya!! Heh,,,
Title: Real Steel purchases
Post by: Paco on April 16, 2003, 09:49:25 AM: discussion moved from other thread.