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Airsoft Hardware => Gas Powered Guns => Topic started by: Full Auto on February 08, 2002, 03:09:13 PM

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Post by: Full Auto on February 08, 2002, 03:09:13 PM: Great review, John. Looking forward to Part 3. Am interested to know the difference in FPS between Green Gas and CO2.

BTW, the Allen wrench is to tighten the set screws for the bipod.

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Post by: Harley on February 11, 2002, 07:34:38 AM: Muchos Gracias Chase, I didn't even think about that since I'm not planning on using it.

Scorpion 6 out.

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Post by: Victor3 on February 13, 2002, 03:10:52 AM: Thanks for the review, mine should show up in a day or two.
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Post by: Uzamati on February 16, 2002, 01:26:13 AM: I have heard that some of the guns come without hop up. Does yours have hop up? WHat is the accuracy like with it?

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Post by: Harley on February 18, 2002, 06:57:58 AM: Stay tuned for part three of the review. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Scorpion 6 out.

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Post by: Taint on February 22, 2002, 11:14:13 PM: Hey Mr. Harley. I have a SAR Israeli Sayaret gas powered assault carbine that i purchased from IceFire Airsoft. And I would like to try that cool looking CO2 adapter you mention in your write-up. Can you post an address where I can order one too please? Or just email me. Thanks, Taint
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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on February 24, 2002, 09:38:09 AM: I am a newbie in these forums. I am looking at the m16 carbine gas rifle that you reviewed. I was just wondering, how accuracte is it compared to a stock aeg? i know it doesnt have hop-up but i am sure the power should make up for it. Harley, when you got the 150 feet kills, did you have to aim up a little, or did the bb just go pretty straight to that distance?
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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on February 24, 2002, 05:05:27 PM: I got another question. Does anyone know of an m203 grenade launcher that is compatable with this rifle or an ithaca shotgun? Is there a rail interface system that if compatable with this rifle too?
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Post by: Harley on February 25, 2002, 09:27:22 AM: In answer to your first question, I had to aim slightly above his head, I'd say about a foot. I think I hit him in his helmet so I probably didn't even need to hold high.

The second question I don't know. Since it dosen't have the tapered M4 barrel you can't use an M203 designed for one unless you change out the outer barrel assembley. I haven't delved into the gun that deep to see if an AEG outer barrel may work, or at least the end part of the barrel from the front sight forward.

6 out.

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Post by: Victor3 on February 25, 2002, 03:59:46 PM: Taint, He got it from our sponsor Chase at full auto. I ordered one last week. Anxiously awaiting it too.

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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on February 25, 2002, 04:54:32 PM: Sweet. I guess this gun is pretty pretty darn accurate...especially with no hop-up. I am gonna order it this week most likely <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on February 25, 2002, 05:43:07 PM: Compared to an decent stock aeg with hop-up, how does this gun's accuracy compare? range?
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Post by: Harley on February 26, 2002, 08:04:13 AM: Compared to my TM M4A1 that shoots 350fps I'd say it's darn close. For what the gun costs it's well worth it.

6 out.

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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on February 26, 2002, 05:36:21 PM: sweeeeet<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on February 26, 2002, 09:10:47 PM: any final words on your m16a2 for us newbies?
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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on February 26, 2002, 09:11:19 PM: m16a2 carbine**
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Post by: Harley on February 27, 2002, 06:46:26 AM: Go out and get one. I will be adding to my review once I get to test my Green gas rig I just got for it. It will be a couple weeks though before I post so that I can chrono the gun with it and see how well it works in game play.

6 out.

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Post by: Ninja on February 27, 2002, 04:42:33 PM: I wonder if you could hook a regulator up so you could adjust your operating pressure. It's probably spec'd for some pretty high pressures, so being able to regulate would be very nice for skirmishing.

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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on February 27, 2002, 04:51:39 PM: I am gonna order mine as soon as possible. I also found a butt stock magazine holder that you can store two magazines with off of the Ranger Joe website. check it out
http://www.rangerjoe.com/catalog/select ... in&id=2848 (http://www.rangerjoe.com/catalog/selection.cfm?category=main&id=2848)
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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on February 27, 2002, 09:52:30 PM: sorry if that link doesnt work. Just look in the catalog under butt stock shell holders at http://www.rangerjoe.com/ (http://www.rangerjoe.com/) <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on February 28, 2002, 10:12:55 PM: about how many shots will you get per 1 can of KWC green gas? approx
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Post by: Harley on March 01, 2002, 06:44:53 AM: I'll try to keep track when I do the testing with the external gas rig as well as the internal tank. I can't give you an answer just yet. I'll post it in the review after our next game on the 16th.

6 out.

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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on March 01, 2002, 04:37:16 PM: sweet, cant wait

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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on March 06, 2002, 09:45:01 PM: when the hell is an airsoft company going to make a BAR???? I would pay up to 1200 dollars for a BAR!@#3@! and maybe a gas powered m1 garand too :) :) :)
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Post by: Harley on March 06, 2002, 10:11:49 PM: I hear ya! I'm holding my breath for a gas M14 myself.

6 out.

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Post by: Airsofter1 on March 06, 2002, 10:47:41 PM: I'll be holding my breath for a gas or electric M14!

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Post by: Ninja on March 07, 2002, 03:50:59 PM: Well I guess I get to use my useless airsoft knowledge here.

A company has made a BAR, JAC of Japan. They do cost $1200, IF you can find one. I know of 2 floating around in the United States. This is a gas piece, and a beast indeed. 18 pounds (just like the real thing) of steel and wood. Spec'd for very high pressures too.

The M1 Garand exists too, made by Smokey's I believe. Very rare piece indeed, Smokey's usually makes limited runs of their guns. 100 pieces or so is not uncommon. The price is also usually upwards of several thousand dollars. This one is also gas. Not sure where they butchered the system from, but it's almost guaranteed to be an NBB ,which are better anyways. :)

The electric M14 does exist as well, although the gas M14 does not, to the best of my knowledge (and I would know if one did). Nemoto Gun Works makes the electric M14, it's a custom job that uses an AUG gearbox (butchered for use in the M14). It's based off of a model gun M14, the Hobby Fix I believe. The gun cannot be field stripped, if it breaks you have to send it back to Nemoto for them to repair it. The price is a mere $2500. I've talked to a guy who owns one, so my info is accurate.

Wow...I may not really be too good with the technical side or even a very good player, but I know my useless airsoft trivia.

1. Ninjas are mammals.
2. Ninjas fight ALL the time.
3. The purpose of the ninja is to flip out and kill people.
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Post by: Paco on March 07, 2002, 04:37:50 PM: ...and you know a little bit about Ninja's too! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Post by: Harley on March 08, 2002, 08:49:41 AM: I guess I should have said a prodution M14 that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. I know about the Hudson unit, but at $2,500 I'd rather buy a real steal M1A1 with lots of accessories.

6 out.

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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on March 08, 2002, 05:32:54 PM: lol i could buy a real m1 garand way cheaper :)

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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on March 08, 2002, 05:34:35 PM: im gonna look around hardcore for that BAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by: Ninja on March 11, 2002, 10:32:44 PM: The other problem with the Hudson is that it's just a static model. So you pay $2500 for a hunk of wood and metal that just sits there...

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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on March 16, 2002, 09:02:01 PM: It says KWC green gas is highly recommended, where is a good place to order it? why cant you just use ICS top gas as efficiently?

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Post by: Harley on March 18, 2002, 12:08:57 PM: I don't see any reason why you can't. I used a can of gas from another brand and it worked just fine.

6 out.

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Post by: Wolf on March 18, 2002, 03:18:02 PM: It is just like in the instruction manuals that come with the Tokyo Marui AEGs, they say "Only use Tokyo Marui Batteries" A whole bunch of people don't use Marui batteries, they are just trying to get you to use what they make so they can make more $$$.

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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on March 18, 2002, 07:23:00 PM: wahahhahaa

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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on March 22, 2002, 05:12:46 PM: im waiting......for an update :)

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Post by: Paco on March 22, 2002, 05:50:44 PM: an update on what? he's written all 3 parts of the review. The last part of the review was written after the last game he used it in.
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Post by: Harley on March 22, 2002, 06:19:13 PM: He's probably waiting for the green gas rig review I said I was going to do after the last game. Since I didn't make it and haven't had the time to play with it I'll have to wait till the next game to review it.

6 out.

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Post by: ThompsonM1A1 on June 09, 2002, 01:31:21 AM: w00t....

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Post by: LazaruS on June 18, 2002, 04:24:39 PM: just wondering, but in your 3rd review, you said you were gonna work to mod the gun to use hop-up. have you had any luck with this? also, is the carry handle/ sight removable? lets us know how things go
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Post by: Harley on June 18, 2002, 05:58:08 PM: I actually haven't played around much with the gun since the last review on it since my M60 took up a lot of time and money for its upgrade. The KWC is an M16 A2 carbine version, so no removable carry handle, that would be an A3 version even though TM markets their M4 as an A1 which is technically incorrect since an A1 version would have the older original M16 sights, (read as no rear adjustment knob for the sight, needs to be done with a special sight tool or the pointed end of a round and 1/3 minute front sight adjust ment versus 1/4 minute for A2 and A3) and no removable carry handle.

Hope that made sense to you.

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Post by: LazaruS on June 18, 2002, 08:12:11 PM: yesh, these guns can drain your bank acct quick. so, in your opinion, would it be possible to mount a sight of some type to the carry handle that would be sturdy? heh, maybe ill just cut off the handle and use the dremel to make grooves for jerry-rigged sight rail. im really thinkin about getting this gun. i have a mp5sd5, but it just dont feel right. also, u said u were gonna try and mod the m16 for hop up. i understand if you dont have time, but, can you give us the idea on how you were going to accomplish this?
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Post by: nukeduster on June 18, 2002, 09:01:42 PM: There are scope mounts designed for the carry handle of m16/ar-15's. You dont need to do any of that dremel work. Just get a scope mount adapter.
http://www.tapco.com/product_information.asp?number=MNT0902&back=yes&dept=8&last=3

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Edited by - NUKEDUSTER on 06/18/2002 9:02:04 PM
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Post by: LazaruS on June 19, 2002, 06:04:33 PM: im sure this is getting annoying, but, i wanna make sure this is a fair investment for me. is it possible to hookup a 12oz c02 can from a paintball gun to the c02 adapter? in theory, that should allow you to last all day and then some w/o changing the cans. lemmie know abou this and the hop-up if you had any luck with it.
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Post by: nukeduster on June 19, 2002, 06:28:22 PM: I was looking that up myself, altho Harley should be able to tell you with more certainty wether this hookup would work. Tho, the setup I was thinking involved a 1/8th micro line hooked up to a inline pressure regulator which hooked up to a 20 oz bottle. The 1/8th connector looks like the same connector as the KWC one, tho I wasnt ever sure, so I never bought any of that setup. :)

http://www.paintball-loco.com/micro_coil_remote.html (http://www.paintball-loco.com/micro_coil_remote.html)
http://www.paintball-loco.com/r_2000_re ... ge_bk.html (http://www.paintball-loco.com/r_2000_regulator_with_gauge_bk.html)

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Post by: Victor3 on June 20, 2002, 09:31:49 AM: Yes it will work. I built one, my only problem was the regulator I bought doesn't go low enough in pressure and I can't get the FPS below 400.
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Post by: LazaruS on June 20, 2002, 05:07:29 PM: heh, sorry for all the posts. but, i think i am just about ready to buy. does anyone know of a silencer for this gun?
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Post by: Victor3 on June 21, 2002, 12:08:44 AM: I THINK these will fit:

G&G One Touch Silencer for M4A1 / M16A2

Sky One Touch Silencer for M4A1

They slide over the flashhider and are held on by a key.
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Post by: Vandetta on June 22, 2002, 11:44:15 AM: Does anyone know where I can purchase this gun for a good price? By the way Im not an AA member and dont live in Arizona, not sure if this info is relevant, thanks.
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Post by: Vandetta on June 23, 2002, 02:57:29 PM: I went to full-auto.org but couldnt find the gun there, thanks. I would really like to get this gun so any information would be very appreciated.
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Post by: Paco on June 23, 2002, 03:47:30 PM: his e-mail is on there. Just e-mail him about it.
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Post by: Vandetta on June 23, 2002, 10:02:40 PM: Thanks
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Post by: Victor3 on June 24, 2002, 11:41:42 AM: The regulator listed above:
http://www.paintball-loco.com/r_2000_re ... ge_bk.html (http://www.paintball-loco.com/r_2000_regulator_with_gauge_bk.html)
is the same on I have and I can't get it to adjust low enough to shoot below 400 fps. You need to find one tha goes down to less than 100 psi.
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Post by: nukeduster on June 24, 2002, 02:22:58 PM: I actually found one that I'm going to be purchasing myself in around 2 months. It goes from 0-250 PSI with its low pressure spring, and includes a nitrogen high pressure bottle.

Its a touch expensive, but it would be perfect for the gun if you just drop the bottle into a camelbak or rucksack. Wouldnt be affected by temperature, which is important considering the different temperatures the gun would be exposed to from various parts of arizona.

http://www.actionvillage.com/031-5003-4.html (http://www.actionvillage.com/031-5003-4.html)

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Post by: furiousbob on July 13, 2002, 01:50:15 PM: oyeoyeoyeoye i'm getting all jumpy about this gas rifle. i dont know crap about gas assualt rifles so....does the bolt go back every time u pull the trigger on the kwc gas m16a2? i'm thinking of getting one just for backyard skirmishes and target practice. i was gunna get a glock 26 with some metal upgrades but changed my mind when i saw the m16...it's so purty. one more thing, can someone tlel me how much more realistic it is then the aeg version?
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Post by: Paco on July 13, 2002, 03:05:06 PM: No, it doesn't. Read the review before you ask questions that are covered in it. It's a non-blowback gas M16.
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Post by: furiousbob on July 13, 2002, 05:11:21 PM: yea i saw that it was a non-blowback, i guess it just didnt click in my head. but is it a good backyard gun or target shooting? what's the rps or rpm?

one more thing, can it take c-mags or anything?

Edited by - furiousbob on 07/13/2002 5:14:49 PM
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Post by: Paco on July 13, 2002, 05:53:08 PM: I think KWC only makes 'regular' 30 round mags for it.
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Post by: LazaruS on July 15, 2002, 03:53:22 AM: well, first off, thank you all for the input. i got ahold of a used kwc m16 with an external rig. i found a few places that sell extra mags for it, but looks like they are only 30rds. although, i could use some serious help here by anyone who has this gun. mine will not shoot. now, i am an idiot when it comes to this gun, because i didnt get the manual, and i dont know if there is something that is said in the manual that i am missing. here is what happens. feed the system gas. that goes good. the part where the "bolt" is, there is a small hole in the gold part. each time the trigger is pulled, gas goes out that hole, and no bb's fire. there is no pop or bang like a shot should sound like, only a fizzle that sounds like leaking air. it only "leaks" when pulling the trigger. if anyone can help me out, lemmie know.
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Post by: Guest on July 16, 2002, 02:28:37 AM: Well, it looks like there are a few small bugs with the M16A2. But I'm sure in short time, KWC will work those out. All in all, it sounds like a pretty well rounded piece of machinery. I'm curious to see the difference in fps between green gas and CO2.

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Post by: Guest on July 16, 2002, 02:35:03 AM: Hey LazaruS, it sounds like you have a broken seal somewhere in there. If you trust yourself, you could take it apart and inspect all the seals along the path of the gas to see where it's escaping at. If you have any doubt about what you're doing, don't do it. It's not worth making it worse. Other than that, I don't know what to tell you. Sorry

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Post by: Harley on July 20, 2002, 01:54:32 PM: Check to see that you don't have a BB or some dirt stuck in the barrel.

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Post by: Harley on July 23, 2002, 09:02:30 AM: Paco posted this some time back in another forum.

http://www.airsoftplayers.com/forums/to ... IC_ID=1467 (http://www.airsoftplayers.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1467)

"What you are doing is adding hop up to the gun. What you will need is a dremel tool, or anything you can cut a slot in a brass barrel with. And a #83 o-ring dim 1/2x5/16x3/32. When you take the inner barrel out of the gun, you will notice that there a two o-rings on it infront of the large e-clip that holds the barrel spring in place. Remove the two o-rings, then the e-clip and slide off the spring. You will notice that the two o-rings are about the same thickness as the #83 o-ring. Take your dremel tool and cut a slot in the barrel, about 1mm up from the groove where the large e-clip locks in. Make sure the groove you cut is about the same thickness as the #83 o-ring. What I did was to use the cut-off wheel and cut down a bit, then work it forward to make the slot wider, you have to remember that the depth of the cut will be your hop up adjustment. So cut small at first, you can always go back later. Put it all back together, try it out, use .25 bbs. (better for outdoors anyway) I did this on mine as I had a extra barrel, and got I would say 50 feet more of effective range. Plus it shoots flatter, meaning that when the bb leaves the barrel it stays pretty flat. Near the end of its path it gets kind of wild every once in a while. If your o-ring wears out just go buy another! Presto new hop up. You can always try different o-rings and see what works best. Good luck! I will try this with my YE MP5 as well!"

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Post by: nukeduster on July 28, 2002, 12:52:37 AM: Hey Laz.. I know EXACTLY what you are talking about.. i just bought victor3's m16a2 carbine, and after he left, it started doing that to me as well. there actually is a piston that goes back and forth inside that part, and the problem is it is not traveling back and forth between shots like it is supposed to, its stuck in the backwards position. not sure how to fix that at the moment.

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Post by: Harley on July 28, 2002, 10:36:54 AM: It needs to be lubricated. That's what that hole in the fake bolt is for. Spray some silicone lubricante in there and stand the gun on it's buttstock for an hour or so and try it again.

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Post by: LazaruS on August 01, 2002, 01:16:03 PM: harley- thx for the idea. unfortunatly, it didnt work. just got the time to try it. soooo... it looks like either i need to find someone who can do repairs on this thing.. or i could try and sell it for parts and just get an AEG. so does anyone know of somoene who could work on this? or anyone interested in a parts gun of this type?
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Post by: nukeduster on August 01, 2002, 10:32:53 PM: After taking it down ot every part that I could get to strip, and lubing up every valve i could find, i realized that i dont like this gun. my fix? ebay.

more permanant fix? get a new gun, and take care of it from day one, instead of used from a user who didnt necessarily handle w/ care.

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Post by: Victor3 on August 02, 2002, 09:43:02 AM: Nuke, I am very sorry if you are having probs with it. That happened to me when I first got it, I lubed it up and it didn't happen again. I only used the gun twice and cleaned and lubed after both uses. It ALWAYS worked flawlessly for me. I really do not want there to be any bad feelings here.

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Post by: Harley on August 02, 2002, 10:51:51 AM: Hey Nuke, if you're going to let it go I'd like to buy the mags off you. Let me know.

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harley- thx for the idea. unfortunatly, it didnt work. just got the time to try it. soooo... it looks like either i need to find someone who can do repairs on this thing.. or i could try and sell it for parts and just get an AEG. so does anyone know of somoene who could work on this? or anyone interested in a parts gun of this type?

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Post by: nukeduster on August 02, 2002, 01:51:59 PM: No worries Victor. I know you wouldn't sell me something that you personally wouldnt use and approve of. You don't strike me as that kinda guy when I've met you. I just dont have the pacience at the current moment to learn the gun's firing mechanism in its entirety, so I am just selling it again in preference over a AEG, who's gearboxes I know fairly well. So I'm gunna be getting a CA m4t and seeing how that fares.

John: I'll sell the mags, if the auction on its last day doesn't hit the mark that I am hoping for.

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Post by: Basher on August 11, 2002, 03:55:58 PM: Harley, I don't recall if this version of KWC rifle has an internal gas reservoir (the solid stock version does, I might look into that), but have you tried 134a in this gun yet? I might purchase one, and am looking into an external CO2 rig (I have a few LP regs lying around from my paintball days) with a 9oz tank. If I were to run out of CO2, I'd have to have something to fill in, hence the 134a. Green Gas is too expensive for me right now <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>. Could you possibly try this out and let me know? I would really appreciate it. If you don't have the internal reservoir and can't use the Green Gas rig, therefore you can't try this, that's fine. Never hurts to ask, though. Thanks!

Nick R.

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Post by: Harley on August 12, 2002, 11:56:59 AM: The collapsable stock unit has a resevior in the buffer tube, most likely the same volume as the solid stock M16. You charge it through the end of the buffer tube . As soon as I get a chance I'll chrono it with green gas and let you know what I come up with.

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Post by: Basher on August 14, 2002, 04:09:30 PM: Harley, while you're at it, is there any way you can chrono it with Duster(134a for you perfectionists out there) as well? I would really appreciate it! Thanks!

Nick R.

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Title: KWC gas M16A2 Carbine reviewed by Harley
Post by: Paco on February 07, 2002, 02:37:21 PM: KWC gas M16A2 Carbine reviewed by Harley (http://www.airsoftarizona.com/reviews/k ... harley.htm (http://www.airsoftarizona.com/reviews/kwc_gas_m4a1_reviewed_by_harley.htm))

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