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Offline SHIFTY1944

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« on: January 27, 2004, 10:15:20 PM »
As always...check the gun show.Look no further.
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2004, 12:26:39 AM »
*shudder*... Mr. Joseph I hope you aren't planning on shooting someone with those. [:O] ... but yeah, the gunshow has everything.
Has anyone ever seen those "flamethrower" shells? They supposedly shoot a fireball out the barrel a few meters. I'm sure they would screw up your barrel, but I would like to know what they can do.
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2004, 12:43:22 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by yellowmonkey</i>
<br />*shudder*... Mr. Joseph I hope you aren't planning on shooting someone with those. [:O] ... but yeah, the gunshow has everything.
Has anyone ever seen those "flamethrower" shells? They supposedly shoot a fireball out the barrel a few meters. I'm sure they would screw up your barrel, but I would like to know what they can do.
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Dragon's Breath, quite a show!  

Mendell's (sp?) Shooting Supply on Scottsdale Rd. (Old Town Scottsdale) has a large variety of what I call "novelty" shells for 12G.  Everything from Beanerbags to Bolo's, and all kinds of crazy crap.  One has a bunch of little saws in it.  Nasty stuff.  

Keep in mind that NL rounds like baton rounds CAN be lethal at a close enough range.  (This could be a plus for home defense)
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2004, 08:52:28 AM »
novelty shotgun rounds, ahh what fun.  my personal fav are the flechette rounds.  NASTY!
yeah, the flame rounds are VERY bad for your barrel.  its pretty much chunks of white phosphorous vacuum packed in plastic inside the shell.  so it starts flaming a bit with the oxygen already in the barrel.  NOT good for the life of your barrel.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2004, 10:44:46 AM »
Dragon's breath:  defend your home from an intruder and burn it all down at the same time.

I think the true nomencalture for the "bean bag rounds" (and similar loads) are "less-lethal" rather than "non-lethal" since (as azsarge pointed out) they still CAN be lethal.
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2004, 10:53:11 AM »
Paco beat me too it.

I have seen a bunch of different shotgun rounds at the Spy Headquarters in Mesa, of all places.  They also have the exploding targets there too. . .
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2004, 11:12:57 AM »
Ill just have to wait until I get to phoenix then.  Yes, less lethal would be good.  Honestly, my aunt has gone crazy and threatened my dads life with her .45.  I bought my dad a shotgun for christmas, and hed like to have a less lethal round as the first round.

Thanks for the help.
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2004, 12:10:51 PM »
how about avoiding her?  having her institutionalized if shes gone bonkers?  giving him a shotgun, lethal or not, is just creating a situation for a death to occur.  Flat out.
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2004, 12:15:53 PM »
DeltaForce.com has tons of them. Look at pages 26 & 27 of the online catalog. They have double slugs, blanks, breaching rounds, and all the less-than-lethal stuff, too.
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2004, 01:46:25 PM »
Last I knew Bean Bag rounds were not legal to use.  I'd check first before wasting my time looking for some.
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2004, 01:53:31 PM »
I have found that paint rounds are probably the safest (yet still effective) round to use as a non-lethal round.  Zytel rounds (bean bag rounds) can still be lethal under 21 feet.  A paint round is travelling about 450-500 fps and will provide quite a shock (and mess) to the person on the receiving end of a shotgun paint round.  Spy HQ usually carries them at an outrageous price ($10 for five).
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2004, 01:56:29 PM »
I found some that are legal to sell to civilians.

Leakingpen, she has been institutionalized, and is currently being looked at by the county prosecutor.  However, she still has a gun, and still has a car.  Those two things are enough for a crazy person like her to come end my fathers life, which I will not allow to happen.  Sometimes situations escalate in life, and one must take drastic steps.  Im not a stupid child, any one of you would consider the same if facing this situation.

Thanks greg, I found some at firequest.com, but I'll look there too.  They are really expensive, 25 to 30 bux for 5 for them, plus shipping.
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2004, 01:59:37 PM »
Either directly or indirectly, those beanbag rounds can be lethal. I've seen a video from here in town where there was a guy with a gun to his head, and when the officer shot him with a bean bag round, his sympathetic reflexes kicked in, and his whole body tensed up, trigger finger included. The lawsuit afterwards was not pretty.

Personally, I think if I'm going to point a gun at someone, I want them to understand that I mean business. Family may be different, but it's like on AR15.com. Somebody came up with the great idea of a RIS-mounted Taser. Everyone agreed that if the chips are that far down that you have to point your weapon at the person, all the messing around's over with.

Get a restraining order on your aunt. If that doesn't work, then try getting her institutionalised like LP said. It may suck, but you are actively trying to help which may mean something to hear once she comes to her senses.
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2004, 02:16:02 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mr. Joseph</i>
<br />I found some that are legal to sell to civilians.

Leakingpen, she has been institutionalized, and is currently being looked at by the county prosecutor.  However, she still has a gun, and still has a car.  Those two things are enough for a crazy person like her to come end my fathers life, which I will not allow to happen.  Sometimes situations escalate in life, and one must take drastic steps.  Im not a stupid child, any one of you would consider the same if facing this situation.

Thanks greg, I found some at firequest.com, but I'll look there too.  They are really expensive, 25 to 30 bux for 5 for them, plus shipping.
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If she has been committed and it was for metal reasons, all you have to do is call the local law enforcement or ATF on her.  IIRC, it is ILLEGAL for someone who has been committed for mental reasons, to own or be in posession of a firearm.
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2004, 03:09:15 PM »
Joey,I would just stick with 00 buck shot...don't go easy on someone who has nothing to lose.
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