Digital Camo

[TheBoy988]

eh Multi-clone. I remember when this pattern came out. Every one had to have it so it made organizing events hard. It's not a bad pattern though. I suspect that after A-Tacs comes out the price on this patter will drop substantially along with ACU. Marpat doesn't seem to fluctuate very much though.

[axisofoil]

eh Multi-clone. I remember when this pattern came out. Every one had to have it so it made organizing events hard. It's not a bad pattern though. I suspect that after A-Tacs comes out the price on this patter will drop substantially along with ACU. Marpat doesn't seem to fluctuate very much though.

ACU has been rock-bottom pricing wise for a long time.
It will get even cheaper soon as it is phased out of the Army though. Like Woodland. Because there are massive stores of it at the manufacturers'... and they gotta get rid of it.

Military issue camo is generally cheaper, as it can then be had secondhand from the guys who serve in a desk-job capacity and never end up putting real wear and tear on it, and then get out while they can. As well as wrong-sizes, etc... not to mention the huge amount of orders (more people buying it means less cost to make it).

Multicam will get cheaper soon, I doubt it will be because of A-Tacs though.

And the multisham/multiclone has come a long way. Some of it (like the stuff off ehobby), is pretty good. Some is still downright awful though. lol.

[Ganef]

Keep it professional guys.

I do think that UCP has it's difficulties, it looks better when it is faded and dirty, but most patterns do too.

It is a tall order to make a camo pattern that will work everywhere, even multicam has difficulty sometimes.

[azsarge]

I think some MultiCam might get a bit harder to find soon, especially the uniforms by Crye.  

I don't understand why you guys think ATACS is so fantastic, considering none of you have seen it in person.  I also don't think any of you are aware of the fact that Multicam is about to outfit entire BDEs in OEF.

Again, keep your posts within the realm of your first hand knowledge.

[D.RICH.1]

I think some MultiCam might get a bit harder to find soon, especially the uniforms by Crye.  

I don't understand why you guys think ATACS is so fantastic, considering none of you have seen it in person.  I also don't think any of you are aware of the fact that Multicam is about to outfit entire BDEs in OEF.

Again, keep your posts within the realm of your first hand knowledge.

i cant speak for any1 else but i was 100% aware of the MCs issue to the soldiers of OEF and was my reason for putting the pictures of them up on here. i like to see the great side by side of the MCs next to the woodland...and for the ATACS they just look good but these are a great alternative that are about to become legitimate... :twisted:

[COINops]

I was issued the first TRU's when they came out, the gay ones with the "Army Strong" logo in the center while in country, then on my last tour we got MC a few months before we left, and had already gotten the TRU's minus the logo, as well as plate carriers.  We swapped out for plate carriers 2 months into the tour.  MC's not a "Brand New" issue,  PEO had kicked out some to some Civil Affairs units and Humint Units.  EOD was also sporting some as far back as Feb 09.  Of course the Army's got a crap load of uniforms in service from patrols wearing tank suits to Tan Flight Suits.  Its still as patch worked as it was in 04 where some of us had BDU, some DBU, Some MICH's some ACH's, some with black boots and some with deserts.  I stopped keeping track,  I know the ACU's UC pattern sorta worked, if you're laying on or hiding amongst gravel, but its not about not being seen now,  pretty much who see's who first and who brings the most guns and people.  Camo doesn't amount for much when you have Air Support with thermals and BFT,  I'll already know where you are, and We'll want you to know we're coming.  

I think some MultiCam might get a bit harder to find soon, especially the uniforms by Crye.  

I don't understand why you guys think ATACS is so fantastic, considering none of you have seen it in person.  I also don't think any of you are aware of the fact that Multicam is about to outfit entire BDEs in OEF.

Again, keep your posts within the realm of your first hand knowledge.

i cant speak for any1 else but i was 100% aware of the MCs issue to the soldiers of OEF and was my reason for putting the pictures of them up on here. i like to see the great side by side of the MCs next to the woodland...and for the ATACS they just look good but these are a great alternative that are about to become legitimate... :twisted:

[Ganef]

This was a comparison we did a long time ago. I know Raith has the picture somewhere, if he doesn't repost it I will post the copy I have.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6088&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=comparison

A lot of comparisons can be had by just googling "camo comparison" and looking at the image results.

Many of them are area specific. Woodland may work really well in the south but ACU may look better where it is dry, and so forth...

[Raith]

This was a comparison we did a long time ago. I know Raith has the picture somewhere, if he doesn't repost it I will post the copy I have.

Here is the photo -



This photo was probably taken in early 2005.  Also noteworthy is the building in the background is the house at Four Peaks that is no longer there.

[D.RICH.1]

wow...great photo!  =D>

[COINops]

Just noticed the Army Times had a big thing on ACU's will be going to multicam and found out they're already showing up on PBIS, so our unit supply can order them.  F*cking sweet,  now I can get em for free.

[D.RICH.1]

Just noticed the Army Times had a big thing on ACU's will be going to multicam and found out they're already showing up on PBIS, so our unit supply can order them.  F*cking sweet,  now I can get em for free.

hook up the hook up hommie...lol jk...they do look sweet...thats why they are switching over to em...

[handsomechap]

On a side note, if your planning a new kit avoid black as much as possible. Many people buy black vests, holsters or pouches for one reason or another. In my opinion black items on your kit amplify the body's shape which undermines the whole idea behind camo in the first place.

Utter nonsense.
Black is the official color of ninjas, and I never see a ninja coming.

[azsarge]

I was issued the first TRU's when they came out, the gay ones with the "Army Strong" logo in the center while in country, then on my last tour we got MC a few months before we left, and had already gotten the TRU's minus the logo, as well as plate carriers.  We swapped out for plate carriers 2 months into the tour.  MC's not a "Brand New" issue,  PEO had kicked out some to some Civil Affairs units and Humint Units.  EOD was also sporting some as far back as Feb 09.  Of course the Army's got a crap load of uniforms in service from patrols wearing tank suits to Tan Flight Suits.  Its still as patch worked as it was in 04 where some of us had BDU, some DBU, Some MICH's some ACH's, some with black boots and some with deserts.  I stopped keeping track,  I know the ACU's UC pattern sorta worked, if you're laying on or hiding amongst gravel, but its not about not being seen now,  pretty much who see's who first and who brings the most guns and people.  Camo doesn't amount for much when you have Air Support with thermals and BFT,  I'll already know where you are, and We'll want you to know we're coming.  

I think some MultiCam might get a bit harder to find soon, especially the uniforms by Crye.  

I don't understand why you guys think ATACS is so fantastic, considering none of you have seen it in person.  I also don't think any of you are aware of the fact that Multicam is about to outfit entire BDEs in OEF.

Again, keep your posts within the realm of your first hand knowledge.

i cant speak for any1 else but i was 100% aware of the MCs issue to the soldiers of OEF and was my reason for putting the pictures of them up on here. i like to see the great side by side of the MCs next to the woodland...and for the ATACS they just look good but these are a great alternative that are about to become legitimate... :twisted:

I think you are mistaking the TRU for the ACS, which is what has the Army Strong logo centered on the chest.

As for when MC was first fielded, It was around during my OEF tour in 07.  Among the SOF units I traveled with, at certain spots, there was a mix of Crye uniforms and TRUs.  I got the latter.  Keep in mind that what Big Army is getting from PEO Soldier is not at all a representation of the equipment available to all troops.  The fact that it has been issued a NIIN does not mean it will be available to any admin guy with FedLog access.  

As for air assets with "thermals"; something has to keeps the sac warm and dry during those cold Bagram winters!   :lol:

[COINops]

I was issued the first TRU's when they came out, the gay ones with the "Army Strong" logo in the center while in country, then on my last tour we got MC a few months before we left, and had already gotten the TRU's minus the logo, as well as plate carriers.  We swapped out for plate carriers 2 months into the tour.  MC's not a "Brand New" issue,  PEO had kicked out some to some Civil Affairs units and Humint Units.  EOD was also sporting some as far back as Feb 09.  Of course the Army's got a crap load of uniforms in service from patrols wearing tank suits to Tan Flight Suits.  Its still as patch worked as it was in 04 where some of us had BDU, some DBU, Some MICH's some ACH's, some with black boots and some with deserts.  I stopped keeping track,  I know the ACU's UC pattern sorta worked, if you're laying on or hiding amongst gravel, but its not about not being seen now,  pretty much who see's who first and who brings the most guns and people.  Camo doesn't amount for much when you have Air Support with thermals and BFT,  I'll already know where you are, and We'll want you to know we're coming.  

I think some MultiCam might get a bit harder to find soon, especially the uniforms by Crye.  

I don't understand why you guys think ATACS is so fantastic, considering none of you have seen it in person.  I also don't think any of you are aware of the fact that Multicam is about to outfit entire BDEs in OEF.

Again, keep your posts within the realm of your first hand knowledge.

i cant speak for any1 else but i was 100% aware of the MCs issue to the soldiers of OEF and was my reason for putting the pictures of them up on here. i like to see the great side by side of the MCs next to the woodland...and for the ATACS they just look good but these are a great alternative that are about to become legitimate... :twisted:

I think you are mistaking the TRU for the ACS, which is what has the Army Strong logo centered on the chest.

As for when MC was first fielded, It was around during my OEF tour in 07.  Among the SOF units I traveled with, at certain spots, there was a mix of Crye uniforms and TRUs.  I got the latter.  Keep in mind that what Big Army is getting from PEO Soldier is not at all a representation of the equipment available to all troops.  The fact that it has been issued a NIIN does not mean it will be available to any admin guy with FedLog access.  

As for air assets with "thermals"; something has to keeps the sac warm and dry during those cold Bagram winters!   :lol:

I noticed PEO always favors the paoj units, Like BDE HHC's and PA's.  While us grunts got screwed into crappy nomex flight suits as a hot weather uniform.  As for the TRU's and ACS's we had both.  The gay ones with the logo.  There were actually two versions of that one.  Both had the logo.  One had a jacked up "heat" venting pading on the upper chest area, that really was just a sweat sponge, and one with just t-shirt material on the chest.  We got one of each, and those were worn out and stained by 3 months of wear, we were then issued 2 of the ACS's with no logo and only T-shirt material on the chest.  That was near the end of 07 going into 08.  This last tour 08-09, we got 4 of the ACS, with Nomex acu bottoms, all in modified ucp for Afghanistan.  Now I guess thats killed since we're going to multicam.  Which i like.  As for hooking you up?  We'll see..there's seems to be a shortage...wonder why.  

Funny thing,  I remember in 06 seeing a "storming normandy" video for the FCS Soldier system, they were wearing multicam acs, plate carriers with rifle blocks, and ACH's with the "new" rail mount system (that just now became available for open market).  Someone who was watching the video with me commented, "why don't we have that shit" and i remember saying
"Give them about 4 or 5 years"

[Ganef]

On a side note, if your planning a new kit avoid black as much as possible. Many people buy black vests, holsters or pouches for one reason or another. In my opinion black items on your kit amplify the body's shape which undermines the whole idea behind camo in the first place.

Utter nonsense.
Black is the official color of ninjas, and I never see a ninja coming.

Black is becoming more popular as a color as guys are going more and more retro with gear, mindset and training. Also people seem to think that black will be some kind of gleaming light on the field, it will not, but your pit stained wifebeater is.

Being sneaky on the field has less to do with the camo you wear and more about your behavior, I got pluged in the back by a guy with a T-shirt and a maskingtape holster for his shotty because I was too focused on what was in front of me to look around.