The Trouble with Vanguard

[Red Devil]

And you need to be present during all searches and that'd the law. Except prison.

[CryWulf]

It doesnt say anywhere in the waiver that they can steal your stuff...

Obviously, but they can search it.

[spazz]

IF I ever go there again and id kind of like to. my bags will be pad locked and they can request to search my bags in front of me. if my stuff is being rifled through while im not present, ill treat it as if they are trying to steal my stuff and they just might end up with the but of my rifle up-side thier head.
and if its not in the waiver or posted up in plain view as part of the house rules, they DO NOT have the right to search your stuff. and if they are doing it then they are breaking the law.
i think im actualy going to do a lil more reading on this part, because i think even in a waiver it is a lil scetchy.

[CryWulf]

IF I ever go there again and id kind of like to. my bags will be pad locked and they can request to search my bags in front of me. if my stuff is being rifled through while im not present, ill treat it as if they are trying to steal my stuff and they just might end up with the but of my rifle up-side thier head.
and if its not in the waiver or posted up in plain view as part of the house rules, they DO NOT have the right to search your stuff. and if they are doing it then they are breaking the law.
i think im actualy going to do a lil more reading on this part, because i think even in a waiver it is a lil scetchy.

It is in the Waiver.

[desertninja2237]

I remember during the only and last time I went to Vanguard, they overcharged for the night, had to correct 'em, but instead of cash being refunded they gave me their "house bbs" in lieu of payment. I also remember, a buddy, Nick, having some sketchy shit pulled on him and watched him fight with the lady at the front. Some players that night were really off, punching a board that hit Red Devil in the back of the head, and some other Vantard couldn't keep his shit together and decided to blast everyone in the room with 6 grenade round sprays soloing out a few players with a personal grudge, I didn't mind it, but the look on his face of vile satisfaction like his really did something put a stigma on the place. Private or not, searches are not cool.

[Shdsteel]

IF I ever go there again and id kind of like to. my bags will be pad locked and they can request to search my bags in front of me. if my stuff is being rifled through while im not present, ill treat it as if they are trying to steal my stuff and they just might end up with the but of my rifle up-side thier head.
and if its not in the waiver or posted up in plain view as part of the house rules, they DO NOT have the right to search your stuff. and if they are doing it then they are breaking the law.
i think im actualy going to do a lil more reading on this part, because i think even in a waiver it is a lil scetchy.

It is in the Waiver.

It does say that the staff can search your stuff with permission, THEY CANNOT search without you knowing, plus I've seen some times when different staff have tried to keep my friend's items by taking them without him knowing and not telling him. Then when you ask for the item back, they say that they were "just messing around" and that "they were going to give it back".

[WizzerGizzer]

i read this, but im not getting whats going on tbh. can you pass me a tl;dr

[Shdsteel]

Basically there have been issues with Vanguard and personal items, as well as greed, or at least thats my look on it.

[WizzerGizzer]

All i know is, is that im never going to buy a gun there again and im never going to get my gun fixed there again. the guns there are 20$ more than guns online (not including tax), and last time i got my gun looked at there, it cost me 35$(+10 for a graveyard motor).


and thank you so much for the tl;dr.

[Rogue Fox]

Only time Ive really had a problem there was when someone lifted a patch from my rig, this was only about 7 months after they opened though. I stopped playing there well over a year ago.

[Shdsteel]

It's not all that great either, over priced food, crowded(with underage kid), and stealing. What's really sad is that the players there are part of the problem. You have to watch your stuff from staff and other players too.


Long stor short, another friend of mine had 3 gas mags on his table. He left one and and when he came back it was gone. While I was loading m stuff up later that night, a young kid comes up to me and asks if I want to buy a gas mag, I looked at it and saw that it was, for sure, my friends. Without mentioning it, I bought It back from him and haven't see the kid since.

[sgun480]

Yea, I've had similar problems. one guy who wore some kind of hunter orange camo, and who is one of their "trusted players" got lit up by me and my friends when he tried running through a room we were defending. After the game was over he came up to us and said to do push ups or some kind of stupid shit. Anywho we informed him that we didnt give a shit who he was, and called him a few choice names. anyways a staff member said that they dont allow foul language, and that we were warned. the next game we were asked to leave because the "trusted player" said we were cheating. When I informed the "trusted player" that he was a m**er F**er and a homosexual, the staff member gave us a table to sit at. Moral of the story, you must fight dickheads by becoming one

[Shdsteel]

That guys the biggest a-hole you'll ever meet. I know who your talking about. The orange camo Gus think they own the place and are always hanging out with the refs. They have been told by the refs that they should tell them if anyone is cheating or whatnot. I myself have not had problems with them directly but I've seen it happen.

[Fresnel]

Just as a bit of evidence, both of these posts were screencapped from the Facebook group for the game. The names have been removed for privacy reasons, but the posters are free to come forth and name themselves if they so choose.





I was also personally told by a third person that he was turned away by Vanguard staff, I heard about several more secondhand, and there were multiple complainants in the game thread here on AA, but I don't feel like sifting through 40 pages of chaff to find a post or two.

[Green Listerine]

*coughboycott*....