[Cheeze_IZ_G00d]

if just one of those students had been legally carrying a firearm that shooter could have been stopped....

Who is to say that the student who perpetrated the shooting was not legally carrying?

Nowhere in the article does it say anything about carry laws, or the politics involved. This is a tragic event, pure and simple, not some gun control platform, and those that view it that way will be seen as what they are, idiots. Personally, I think it's foolish to allow guns on any campus. There is way, way too much testosterone and bravado flying about on some college campuses, and the potential for things to escalate out of control is too great. That said, this event should not be used for political grandstanding on either side of the aisle, it should simply be viewed as a tragic, despicable crime.

[Vince]

Who is to say that the student who perpetrated the shooting was not legally carrying?

Nowhere in the article does it say anything about carry laws, or the politics involved. This is a tragic event, pure and simple, not some gun control platform, and those that view it that way will be seen as what they are, idiots. Personally, I think it's foolish to allow guns on any campus. There is way, way too much testosterone and bravado flying about on some college campuses, and the potential for things to escalate out of control is too great. That said, this event should not be used for political grandstanding on either side of the aisle, it should simply be viewed as a tragic, despicable crime.

Wrong thread, wrong forum for this.

Just plain wrong.

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." - Robert A. Heinlein

[Green4Ever]

Then in "YOU'RE PERFECT WORLD" this would change nothing in the sands of time, like it or not this will become a political stepping stone and it Will have EFFECTS bolth positive and negative depending on what side of the fence you like to lean against

[Green4Ever]

and how do you know it was a STUDENT? any articles or news site to back that up?

[Cheeze_IZ_G00d]

Who is to say that the student who perpetrated the shooting was not legally carrying?

Nowhere in the article does it say anything about carry laws, or the politics involved. This is a tragic event, pure and simple, not some gun control platform, and those that view it that way will be seen as what they are, idiots. Personally, I think it's foolish to allow guns on any campus. There is way, way too much testosterone and bravado flying about on some college campuses, and the potential for things to escalate out of control is too great. That said, this event should not be used for political grandstanding on either side of the aisle, it should simply be viewed as a tragic, despicable crime.

Wrong thread, wrong forum for this.

Just plain wrong.

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." - Robert A. Heinlein

I understand that, I just wanted to spark a little debate. It's been a while since we had one around here .

Green, I understand that this is not a perfect world, that is why I chose my words carefully. Further, I do not know whether or not it was a student, but I assumed it was because the shooting started in a dormitory. It is entirely possible that it was not a student, either case, it does not have any real bearing on the discussion at hand.

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." - Robert A. Heinlein

This is an interesting quote, yet when you read into it, it almost seems a better argument for gun control. It is pretty scary to think that if I offend someone's sensibilities enough, they will shoot me. That thought does not leave much of any topic open for debate.

Vince, I also cannot really understand why my argument is "Just plain wrong?" Is it not out of the realm of possiblity that of the many hundreds of disputes and fights that occur on college campuses that a few could not have escalated to the point where a gun was used, even by a "law abiding citizen?" Please also note that I understand that gun restrictions on college campuses can never do away with all the guns, they certainly do allow for punishments to be levied against people who violate those restrictions.

Finally, to those of you are so opposed to restrictions on college students carrying weapons, why not let age-eligible high schoolers carry them too?

[Green4Ever]

uhh bearing....yah yours was right on coarse  

[Vince]

not some gun control platform

Need I say more?

The idiots that don't view it that way will be seen for who they are, namely you.

Any time guns are used for a negative purpose, that event can be (and probably has been) used by somebody as a gun control platform.

[Doc Hollywood]

the thing about gun control is that for it to work, EVERYONE has to be equally armed - police, citizens, and crooks.  You have to take ALL guns away from ALL facets of society, including the cops and military for gun control to be effective as a crime prevention system - otherwise the crooks will still end up with guns and do what they do.

Since that will never happen, the next best thing to do is again, make everyone EQUALLY ARMED.  If everyone is carrying lethal force, everyon has equal standing.

Take a look at some statistics that discuss the incidence of violent crime committed by law abiding conceal permit holders compared to other groups....

in any event, I am armed 24/7 everywhere I go.  Even where I can not carry a firearm I DO carry another weapon (albeit less lethal) that can be legally possessed in bars, schools, pretty much anywhere except the sterile area of an airport.

[JoJockAmo]

I blame the video games.

[Ganef]

Finally, to those of you are so opposed to restrictions on college students carrying weapons, why not let age-eligible high schoolers carry them too?

If there are high schoolers who are 21 I wouldnt want them to go to school with my kids (the legal age to obtain a CCW permit and buy a handgun).

[delta_echo]

Finally, to those of you are so opposed to restrictions on college students carrying weapons, why not let age-eligible high schoolers carry them too?

If there are high schoolers who are 21 I wouldnt want them to go to school with my kids (the legal age to obtain a CCW permit and buy a handgun).

To obtain a CCW or to purchase a pistol from an FFL, you have to be 21. A private seller can sell to someone 18 or older in AZ.  

My opinion is that all willing teachers should be allowed to carry a weapon in school, as well as anyone who is legally able (ex. parents). A "weapon-free" area is only observed by law-abiding citizens, not people about to go on a shooting rampage. While I certainly feel the pain of the murders in VA today, it is the anti-gun crowd who has effectively disarmed the innocent of our society, turning them into victims.

On another note, (this is mostly for the younger guys) I just received my CCW the other day. Coupled with the required CCW class, I certainly feel that I have taken on a new level of responsibility. Not in the mentality that "I'm cooler cuz' I'm carrying heat", but rather as a citizen, ready to protect myself and those around me. It was one of the same reasons I went into the military. Lord forbid I ever have to fire a shot in anger, but reality of the situation may dictate that I have choose between taking the life of another human or allowing other innocents to die. Just my .02.

[The Cartographer]

The way I see it, even if you could destroy every single gun in the world and the knowledge to produce them, we'll just go back to carrying swords and bows.

As far as carry in schools, probably won't happen because the majority of people just stick their heads in the sand and say "This'll never happen to me" or "The Goverment/Police/School will take care of me"

I am all for legal carry in schools as long as there is a fair and legitimate screening process for those who wish to partake. (another political "not-gonna-happen")

Those of us who were raised around guns know that it is an awesome responsibility that (sadly enough) fewer and fewer understand.  My dad is with Phoenix police and has taught my siblings and I how to handle firearms responsibly so we know the do's and don'ts.  As for defending myself and others around me with a firearm? I hope I never have to do that but I will try if need be.

[babybackribs]

Gun control is impossible.  Why can't people just understand that?

[Cheeze_IZ_G00d]

not some gun control platform

Need I say more?

The idiots that don't view it that way will be seen for who they are, namely you.

Any time guns are used for a negative purpose, that event can be (and probably has been) used by somebody as a gun control platform.

I think that that was pretty shitty, dude. I was merely playing the devil's advocate.

I believe that there is a happy medium to be reached with respect to everything in this country, gun control included. With that said, I do not think that guns should go away entirely, nor do I believe in a completely armed society. I do have a legitimate question for those of you who do carry, why, simply out of curiosity?

[Ghostsequel]

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." - Robert A. Heinlein

Bright man.  One of my favorite authors.

http://www.forcesciencenews.com/home/de ... ?serial=62

An FBI report about criminals who kill police officers.  I thought this was relevant to the discussion at hand.  Note that of the study subjects (cop killers) only 1 legally obtained his firearm.