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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2012, 04:35:48 PM »
I actually like the idea. Its NOT blind firing, because you DO have a line of sight. You would know if somebody is at point blank range or far away. Its the same concept that surrounds the corner shot.

I don't think people would take offense when you explain it like that, they would probably call it cheap because the user would not have to expose himself in an exchange. In a regular face to face exchange, at least both sides have a fair chance to hit the other, with this I think people are calling it cheap because it gives the user the ability to fire and not worry about retaliation.
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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2012, 04:49:03 PM »
I actually like the idea. Its NOT blind firing, because you DO have a line of sight. You would know if somebody is at point blank range or far away. Its the same concept that surrounds the corner shot.

I don't think people would take offense when you explain it like that, they would probably call it cheap because the user would not have to expose himself in an exchange. In a regular face to face exchange, at least both sides have a fair chance to hit the other, with this I think people are calling it cheap because it gives the user the ability to fire and not worry about retaliation.
Then people would think that guns with a longer range than theirs are cheap, because they cant reach the shooter but they can be shot. Everything has its advantages and disadvantages.
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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2012, 05:03:06 PM »
I just can't see that a person can judge distance accordingly through a small mirror, hell most people can't judge distance correctly with both eyes.  Also as someone has mentioned, it's not easy to utilize and requires practice.  Personally I see limited benificial use in some CQB searching aspects, but once the the fire fight ensues I feel you will be hard pressed to use it effectively. Boils down to, if you can't use it effectively, accidents are likely to happen. 

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As for real weapon use, if it were just as simple to place the sight on the target, then everyone would be a top shot. 
« Last Edit: June 29, 2012, 05:08:14 PM by -MAD- SARGE »


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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2012, 05:19:09 PM »
If anybody uses one of these at a game I'm at, they better tell me first, otherwise I'm gonna call it blind fire. If you tell me first, I'd probably be ok with it, however, you better be real good at knowing when your gun gets hit with a bb, and call your hit.
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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2012, 06:03:52 PM »
While the idea is cool for the person using it, I see this creating many potential problems on the field.

"No blindfiring!"
"I'm not, I have an AccuTact!"
"A what? You're still cheating!"

Not to mention giving refs a whole other headache to deal with on the field as well.

As far as on real steel, I agree with -MAD- SARGE. Being an avid AR-15 shooter myself, I know you wouldn't really be able to accurately hit anything using a device like that much past a couple feet, at least not without some serious training.

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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2012, 08:22:02 PM »
i play with mine all the time and im still not compleatly used to it.
im a good shot and i find it a lil hard to put rounds on target with any kind of speed.
it will take lots of practice to anywhere proficient enough to make it useable in a game.
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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2012, 09:15:15 PM »
I actually like the idea. Its NOT blind firing, because you DO have a line of sight. You would know if somebody is at point blank range or far away. Its the same concept that surrounds the corner shot.

I don't think people would take offense when you explain it like that, they would probably call it cheap because the user would not have to expose himself in an exchange. In a regular face to face exchange, at least both sides have a fair chance to hit the other, with this I think people are calling it cheap because it gives the user the ability to fire and not worry about retaliation.
Then people would think that guns with a longer range than theirs are cheap, because they cant reach the shooter but they can be shot. Everything has its advantages and disadvantages.

That's a good example, but not exactly in line with the reality, most engagement distances will not be at the maximum range of even a well tuned airsoft gun, they're usually much closer for the simple fact that as madsarge said, most people can't judge distance. Let's face it, if all airsoft engagements were at the maximum distance of well tuned airsoft guns, that's more reason for cheaters or shady players to not call their hits, the more distance you have, the more doubt can be raised, after all, can you see a 6mm hit a 6'0 target at over 300 feet away? Also take into consideration that at maximum range if that BB hits gear it'll probably hit with the energy of a baby fart, you could be an honest player and not even feel that if you weren't paying attention.

I tend to think in terms of worst case scenarios, and besides the one I mentioned where a straight shot hits the lens at nearly point blank range, I think there's also the potential for cheating with this. Gun hits could be cast into doubt with sufficient distance and the simple fact that someone using this could easily say, I didn't see or feel the hit on their gun, then in turn not call it.

From a practicality standpoint, there might be a handful of people here who could be dedicated enough to practice with this enough to be proficient, but lets not kid ourselves here, 99% of the people here would never really use this to its fullest potential. Besides if you really were a LEO/operator, the real solution would be to use CornerShot :p

For the money, I think a better investment would be more Thunder Bs, its not like the walls in a CQB arena are thick, you can hear people on the other side, and its way easier to just throw a Thunder B into their room than it is to try to engage someone with an attachment that you probably won't use proficiently.
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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2012, 10:26:15 PM »
the other problem with gun hits is that i dont think vangard or tempe paintball or fighter town count gun hits as an out.
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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2012, 11:01:28 PM »
the other problem with gun hits is that i dont think vangard or tempe paintball or fighter town count gun hits as an out.
Last time I was at Vanguard, their running policy was "It's up to the player." Personally I would've liked a more definitive answer, as it would've netted me a few more confirmed outs that night haha.

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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2012, 12:42:04 AM »
Spazz is correct we don't count gun hits yet this may change, as I have asked this question to a few people and their answer has been " No, most people do not carry side arms, so we don't count them " now if everyone " EXPERIENCED " said we are counting gun hits today in that group then yes gun hits will count as for the " Rentals " we don't count the gun hit because we want to make sure that they get enough play time as you guys do also.

I like the general concept of this attachement but as someone posted the link corner shot is most ideal but this is for the LEO/Opperators.

Price wise holy balls for a piece of glass lets have a shop class I'm sure someone on here is a shop teacher or fabricator and can host this if everyone brings him or her a case of their favorite brew or rootbeer for those not of age.

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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2012, 01:05:59 AM »
Well this "anglesight" is a little more complicated than a block of normal glass. It's designed with two different pieces of triangular glass that must be extremely flat to match up perfectly with the help of a special glue in between. Basically if you look through the anglesight from behind the red dot you will see strait through as if its plain glass, but if you look through it from the side, it works as a mirror. Look up TIR (total internal reflection).

If you're going for realism, I like switching to a secondary weapon when your primary is hit, but hey if this were all about realism nobody would be complaining about blind fire. That's pretty realistic if you ask me.  ;)
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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2012, 01:39:42 AM »
If you're going for realism, I like switching to a secondary weapon when your primary is hit, but hey if this were all about realism nobody would be complaining about blind fire. That's pretty realistic if you ask me.  ;)
Lol yes. Hell, sometimes I'll switch to my secondary anyways for breaching rooms and such, or when I'm defending a tight spot. Plus, I just like using it.

Now, as far as the gun hits, they SHOULD count as a kill if say, someone's standing up with their rifle hanging on their torso from a 1-point sling. If the BB hits the gun where it CLEARLY would've hit the person's body were it not for the gun hanging there, I think that counts. I always call myself out according to that rule, anyways. Otherwise we could all use our guns as invincible BB blocking shields, which could potentially ruin the game.

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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2012, 08:41:19 AM »
Well this "anglesight" is a little more complicated than a block of normal glass. It's designed with two different pieces of triangular glass that must be extremely flat to match up perfectly with the help of a special glue in between. Basically if you look through the anglesight from behind the red dot you will see strait through as if its plain glass, but if you look through it from the side, it works as a mirror. Look up TIR (total internal reflection).

i dont know about the real steel accutact version, but my acm one that i have at the house doesnt have any glue anywere in it.
it is just the 2 pieces of glass in a black housing.
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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2012, 01:09:36 PM »
i dont know about the real steel accutact version, but my acm one that i have at the house doesnt have any glue anywere in it.
it is just the 2 pieces of glass in a black housing.

Hmm I could be wrong then... I made some assumptions with the optics knowledge I have learned from school. That would be cool to check out then. I like seeing how things work.  :)
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Re: Blind Firing
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2012, 03:14:55 PM »
think about it this way, by using that you make it so that everyone isnt having fun. Just you. now look at supply and demand. What if EVERYONE went a bought one of these? Nobody would be out, ever.

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