The Trouble with Vanguard

[asof elites]

*coughboycott*....

*coughcoughYEScoughcough*

[Shdsteel]

Actually during kwa day, I asked if I could pre register and they said they werent going to do signup there.

[sgun480]

Yea Gus was his name, f that guy!

[asof elites]

Actually during kwa day, I asked if I could pre register and they said they werent going to do signup there.

I did too.

[xXmusicimpactXx]

*coughboycott*....

I like this idea. We create enough animosity and take away enough of their business for their continued abuse of our community, they'll have to do something about it eventually. I know I personally won't be going back there at all after reading all this. Too far, too expensive, and too risky for it to be worth the effort anymore. Who else is in?

[asof elites]

*coughboycott*....

I like this idea. We create enough animosity and take away enough of their business for their continued abuse of our community, they'll have to do something about it eventually. I know I personally won't be going back there at all after reading all this. Too far, too expensive, and too risky for it to be worth the effort anymore. Who else is in?

I second this

[WizzerGizzer]

Vangurdle is funded by kids, its about 90% (as it seems) of their revenue, would all of us at AA really change too much in their business?

[CryWulf]

Vangurdle is funded by kids, its about 90% (as it seems) of their revenue, would all of us at AA really change too much in their business?

No, because I see one of these posts every other month. So I think by now, most of AA isn't going to Vanguard anyway. We are pretty much boycotting it as it is, since everyone here despises it.

[xTanTricK]

They get enough business from the parents who drop their kids off to play that a few members on this forum boycotting them will likely do nothing. As I agree with some of the things being said in this thread, I do not agree that boycotting a business involved in the sport we all love is a good idea. If you have concerns about the staff or the policies they have in place, I would suggest going in and talking to the owner. We lost Gearbox and Fightertown and although I am not a huge fan of Vanguard I still do not want to see another business/field being shutdown or anything of the like. I personally have had no problems when I have played there but I have heard plenty of rumors to have my own concerns.

[Old Dog]

They get enough business from the parents who drop their kids off to play that a few members on this forum boycotting them will likely do nothing. As I agree with some of the things being said in this thread, I do not agree that boycotting a business involved in the sport we all love is a good idea. If you have concerns about the staff or the policies they have in place, I would suggest going in and talking to the owner. We lost Gearbox and Fightertown and although I am not a huge fan of Vanguard I still do not want to see another business/field being shutdown or anything of the like. I personally have had no problems when I have played there but I have heard plenty of rumors to have my own concerns.

Well stated good Sir

[halfbreed]

For a company that says they want to improve the industry here in AZ they sure do allot of things to alienate them selves. I know they all ways ask for advice but never take it. I cough them taking gear from my bag at a pickup game when I was coming off the field, needless to say the police got involved, and they were told it was illegal to do this no charges were pressed. Seeing that they still do this I guess I should of pressed charges. That said my cousin went there to pre-order for PSC's game and they told him ( Don't go to that game, they are an unsafe group), then proceeded to tell him to go to there lock in. Kind of messed up if you ask me.

[Fung Li]

The only nice guy I know there is Jake, and he's become a bit of a douche since becoming head ref a year or so back.  And yes, I have had a few items stolen from me as well (though if it's the kids or the refs, I'm not sure).  I've also caught the refs once or twice snooping around my table with an eye on my mp7.

The field itself is great, and I like the layout, but the refs are all EXTREMELY biased and always seem to take the little kids' sides when an issue concerning calling hits/ surrender rules comes up, rather than the older teens/ adults who attend games there.  I guess it's all about money, and the children's' parents have plenty of that.  Not to mention they overcharge in my opinion.

And it's a shame too, because although I don't mind Tempe, the field is a bit too small for my taste.  Maybe if they were able to expand it or something..

[nukeduster]

Not to mention they fill HPA tanks wayyyy too quickly. I brought it to their attention last time I was there to fill a tank, as one last chance sort of thing and they looked at me like I was insane, asking them to only fill the tank at no more than 600psi per minute for safety sake, let alone they underfill the tank when they shock the tank by filling too quickly.

After taking several minutes to try to educate 3 of the employees there about how to safely fill HPA they ended up filling my tank at about 1500psi/minute anyways, and underfilled it by 1000psi once it cooled back down from being stressed so violently.

F that place.

[Shdsteel]

Wow damn. Can't that be classified as damage to property if the tank is ruined?

[bailey5671]

Taken directly from the 2012 Player waiver.

3. Allow referees and staff to search personal bags and equipment for unlawful guns, bbs that are not house provided, and dangerous equipment, as well as BKB Enterprises property.