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Airsoft Hardware => Gas Powered Guns => Topic started by: Lightning_Man on April 02, 2005, 06:20:54 PM
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OK, it will probably be a few weeks before I can worry about it, but what are considered to be the best brands of gas pistol? Any particular brands/models to stay away from?
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I have always had luck w/ KJW guns. Seem to take high powered gasses well along with the beating that comes along w/ being used in the field.
Also to date the best GBB I have ever owned was a KWC Beretta Super Heavyweight. Nothing could keep that thing from shooting.
I had a KSC glock that never worked quite right, and a TM Tac Master that broke when using green gas.
Rick
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Rick, that is becuase TM guns can't handle green gas :).
KJW, and KWA are the best, in my opinion. This also depends on the model you want. By far, the KWA/KSC Glocks are the best in the glock field. Berettas, now those are kinda bleh. I have heard some good things about KSC(?) Berettas, but from my experience KJW Berettas SUCK HORRIBLY. 1911 models...now KJWs are okay, but are prone to ALOT of problems from what i'm seeing. It really depends on what you like.
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Until you know first hand, don't put your advice in. I haven't had a single real problem with my KJW Para. I would stay away from the FMV though, for some reason they just seem to fuck up alot. Although, Airsofter1's hasn't seen any problems AFAIK.
If you want the best GBB, go with a WA, western arms makes the best GBB's hands down. They may be plastic, but the plastic is a very very dense composite and has a very metalic look and feel to it.
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Yeah, that's true. I've had many handguns.. right now, I have a KJW I just got today, they're sturdy handguns by far. The KJW 1911's are.. well.. at first, when I got mine, it sucked so bad, it was unreal. After MAJOR arming up and fixing (about a week worth), it's one badass gun. The hopup isn't great at all, but it's ok. And the FMV's can obviously take redgas (that's what I had). The metal sucks, though. I sold it to my brother.. don't know if it was his fault, but he took it outside, and all I heard was "BAM! BAM! KLANK.. and that sound, my friend, is the sound of a KJW P.14 hammer soaring through the air.
For airsoft, get a glock. I can point out reasons why and why not, but.. Ian knows way more than I do. I've had 3, on my fourth and they're badass for airsoft.
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Until you know first hand, don't put your advice in. I
HAHAHAHAHAHA :lol: . Speak for yourself young man, everything I speak of i have experience in. Owned, and/or used everything I listed.
Your always bitching about your KJW. Maybe becuase its really not a KJW any more, a WA in a KJW body. My friends KJW 1911 had a plastic piece fly out of the ejection port that broke off a cylinder on the inside of the pistol <---that equals crap.
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And, Busta.. from what I've ehard about yours, from people that have seen it, it's not the greatest at all. But the FMV's are sturdy after you lube (majorly) some of the internals.
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MY pistol has been to 3 games, one I used it extensively and it performed great and it was stock, than another I never pulled it..and this last time I was dumb and didnt switch out the nozzles so now its fine! DOh! O and its plastic but can take redgas..
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Rick, that is becuase TM guns can't handle green gas :).
KJW, and KWA are the best, in my opinion. This also depends on the model you want. By far, the KWA/KSC Glocks are the best in the glock field. Berettas, now those are kinda bleh. I have heard some good things about KSC(?) Berettas, but from my experience KJW Berettas SUCK HORRIBLY. 1911 models...now KJWs are okay, but are prone to ALOT of problems from what i'm seeing. It really depends on what you like.
Ugh. I beg to differ . .. The KJW M9 is a beast!! And im sure Christian can back me up on this one...I have had mine and it works flawlessly and event hough I have dropped it, its missing a spring, and just plain BEAT THE PISS OUT OF IT. So if you do want a tank of a gun get one!
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Nothing but problems with mine, and others also share my same feeling. Maybe you guys just got lucky.
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It's kinda funny..I treat my pistol like shit, throw it, drop it, beat it against stuff, a couple hundred draws, and it's practically perfect. Christian actually purposefully dropped/threw his last weekend and he picked it up and used it the next game like it was nothing. My advice....Get a WA or something u can upgrade easy down the road. THe m9 series from KJW is a tough bargain to beat. At about 130 for a full Metal IA, its a good deal....Also I have heard from a friend of mine that the single stack 1911 from KJW is AWESOME, so far he says it resisted the 30ft drop test. Dont even ask!
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Rick, that is becuase TM guns can't handle green gas :).
KJW, and KWA are the best, in my opinion. This also depends on the model you want. By far, the KWA/KSC Glocks are the best in the glock field. Berettas, now those are kinda bleh. I have heard some good things about KSC(?) Berettas, but from my experience KJW Berettas SUCK HORRIBLY. 1911 models...now KJWs are okay, but are prone to ALOT of problems from what i'm seeing. It really depends on what you like.
Ugh. I beg to differ . .. The KJW M9 is a beast!! And im sure Christian can back me up on this one...I have had mine and it works flawlessly and event hough I have dropped it, its missing a spring, and just plain BEAT THE PISS OUT OF IT. So if you do want a tank of a gun get one!
My KJW M9 I got from JT (full metal) doesn't hold enough gas.. at all.. it sucks, dude.
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Rick, that is becuase TM guns can't handle green gas :).
KJW, and KWA are the best, in my opinion. This also depends on the model you want. By far, the KWA/KSC Glocks are the best in the glock field. Berettas, now those are kinda bleh. I have heard some good things about KSC(?) Berettas, but from my experience KJW Berettas SUCK HORRIBLY. 1911 models...now KJWs are okay, but are prone to ALOT of problems from what i'm seeing. It really depends on what you like.
Ugh. I beg to differ . .. The KJW M9 is a beast!! And im sure Christian can back me up on this one...I have had mine and it works flawlessly and event hough I have dropped it, its missing a spring, and just plain BEAT THE PISS OUT OF IT. So if you do want a tank of a gun get one!
My KJW M9 I got from JT (full metal) doesn't hold enough gas.. at all.. it sucks, dude.
I think there is some other kind of problem. I remember when we took anthony's pistol mag apart once, it had freakin cardboard in it or something! Try opening yours up Nate, maybe the Chinese slaves stuffed some yen in there or somethin, hahah.
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Depends on what you want to spend. If you dont want to spend alot money on gun and upgrades get a KJW aka the disposable pistol.
But if you want something that you want high performance super Ferrari all metal upgrades, valves, springs, the whole nine yards. Western Arms is the gun for you. But they come with a high price $$ tag. Check out the new ones coming out on RR. go here http://www.renegaderecon.com/ (http://www.renegaderecon.com/)
and then click archive. Then click 1-10 and look on the right side of the page and you will see several Western arms news posts on there latest guns.
If you want something simple that can take a drop or kick. Average price $$ Stay reliable and get the job done the chevy KWA/KSC glocks are the way to go. Just stay away from the full auto sometimes they will wair and only fire full auto all the time. I have a Glock 17 KWA that I have had for 5 years and running. Gave it a spring and valve upgrade. And mine is just the standard plastic barrel and slide.
Airsoft atlanta is selling them for $119 with the metal slide and barrel. http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/gas.htm (http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/gas.htm)
If the glock does not intrest you then there is the new Marui's that are coming out. Just like the TM Hi-Capa 5.1's these guns are much more accurate than the glocks. However, they dont use Top green gas, and so its a trade of of accuracy and reliability instead of Raw power much Like an Olds Alero with a 4 cylinder.
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At the risk of igniting a $h!t storm. I have never been a fan of the 1911 series guns. I am pretty sure I will go with an M9, or if I could find one, maybe a sigsaur. I love glocks but my real pistols are glocks so I don't want to risk any confusion about which one is which. The M9 is milsim correct and although it isn't as good a gun as the glock I have always liked the M9.
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Christian actually purposefully dropped/threw his last weekend and he picked it up and used it the next game like it was nothing.
He hardly threw it. It landed on a soft patch of ground anyway. Nothing most other GBBs couldln't handle.
Pistols I have owned: KJW USP (plastic), KJW M9 (plastic), KSC Glock 18C (Metal), KSC Glock 19 (Metal), KSC Glock 23F (Metal), and a KJW 1911 para (metal and plastic).
My fav was the KJW USP, but the low quality mags kept me from keeping it. Worked great with green gas out of the box. Very durable. But I would recommend staying away from this pistol just because of the mags.
The KJW M9 was definitely a workhorse. I lined the plastic slide catch with a strip of metal to reduce wear. I also put in a PDI piston head also. A very skirmish worthy GBB. One of Pacos favs also, he has owned a lot of KJW Beretta replicas. A good buy that you can't really go wrong with. Safariland 6004 holsters are readily available for it also, sometimes at good prices too.
The KSC Glock 18C became one of my most used pistols soon after I got it. Full-atuo fun. Near the end of its life it started malfunction. The selector would come loose sometimes, and it would get stuck in full-auto every once and while.
I got the KSC Glock 19 while I had the 18C and still have it to this day. I have to say it is one of the most reliable GBBs I have owned so far. But I also installed the upgraded hammer and recoil spring in her. Each mag has a high flow valve installed too. The upgraded hammer spring and high flow valves really helps operation in hot weather.
The KSC Glocks are good GBBs to get, although I would stay away from the full-auto models unless long term durability is not that much of an issue. I would put this GBB just below the KJW M9.
Both the plastic and metal versions of the KJW 1911 have served me well. It is quickly becoming my new favorite replacing my long gone USP in that slot. I haven't had to upgrade any parts on it to increase reliablity so far. However I have only owned each version for less than 6 months so long term reliablity is still unknown for me.
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To add to that...The KJW Para's have high flow valves installed in all the mags too.
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I have a second hand plastic-body KJW M9. It has been incredibly reliable and never failed me.
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Its all about WA best quality and build around
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I have only ever had a KWJ M9 full metal version. I have had it for 3 years now. The only problem I have ever had with her is the mags finally started leaking after two years. I have put thousands of rounds through her between games and tactical shooting practices. She has been under water and in mud. I have only seriously cleaned it once. All other times it was a quick brush and lube. I have dropped mags in the dirt for reloads as well as dropped the M9 when returning to my primary during tactical drills. She has never failed me.
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I concur with all praise regarding the KJW M9.
Definitely go with a metal version, to avoid small probelms. I had a plastic model for awhile, and the only reason I replaced it was because of a small crack in the slide. Fearing failure (which never occurred), I replace it with a metal version of the same. I use red gas, and it works great.
Be advised, there are a couple different versions of the metal KJW M9. One has a slight grey tint to it, and has a serrated slide (like the "vertec"), with small differences from the issue M9. The other, which I own, is 100% correct as far as external appearance, but lacks trademarks. I got mine from un company.
I will never get rid of this gun, or any of my 5 mags!
With regards to me throwing my gat, it was more of a drop. Not recommended, but it took the heat. It has taken worse than that, and still works.
I highly recommend the KJW metal M9 for both reliability, and field useability. (those 2 are kind of the same, but oh well):P
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Just picked up my gas powered SOCOM (love it) and Jungle Toy of Craycroft/Grant just got in a m700 gas powered sniper rifle....this thing is SWEEEEET! It fires at 400fps, and has a range of about 100yards. Slap on a 4x30 scope and you are one sniping machine. They are pricey..not sure the exact $$ but....it will be mine...oh yes...it will be mine. :twisted:
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KJW guns have a great track record with me. My M9 has seen use for over 2 years now completely stock and still performs like a champ. Havent had a single mag leak, or jam. Even after loosing it in the field and finding it covered in dirt it still shot. Ive got the ABS version, so gas consumption is good in the summer and durability is hands down great.
What i would stay away from is the KJW USP Tactical. The feel is nasty, light and just unsatisfying. Prone to leaky mags, unless you take really good care of them.
Now for those that say Busta's Hybrid KJW Para is terrible, only says that because they dont like being shot with a pistol. That gun packs such a punch it can dual it out with any AEG. Power wise it leaves a nasty mark, my camelbak didnt like getting shot either. :?
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KJW guns have a great track record with me. My M9 has seen use for over 2 years now completely stock and still performs like a champ. Havent had a single mag leak, or jam. Even after loosing it in the field and finding it covered in dirt it still shot. Ive got the ABS version, so gas consumption is good in the summer and durability is hands down great.
What i would stay away from is the KJW USP Tactical. The feel is nasty, light and just unsatisfying. Prone to leaky mags, unless you take really good care of them.
Now for those that say Busta's Hybrid KJW Para is terrible, only says that because they dont like being shot with a pistol. That gun packs such a punch it can dual it out with any AEG. Power wise it leaves a nasty mark, my camelbak didnt like getting shot either. :?
Yeah, that thing is a beast, although it is not mine anymore, It is going to a good home(broken but good). Hopefully Ian will light some people up and help keep its record! It had alot of WA/Sheriff parts and valves. It chronoed wierd, 320 one day, 380 the next. The guns are good for a while while stock but upgrade some parts like the hammer, and ambi safety right away. I would suggest the ABS version over the FMV because of the cyclic rate and higher FPS.