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Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« on: September 17, 2008, 10:34:17 PM »
http://www.rfid-weblog.com/50226711/rfi ... device.php

Watch this video.  "Would happily opt..."  WTF, seriously.
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Re: Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2008, 11:12:24 PM »
I'm sold! Everyone should have to wear one of those at all times  :roll:

That whole website is pretty funny.
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Re: Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2008, 08:21:40 AM »
Sir, sir, please put the gun down.
Sir, if you don't comply, I am going to have to turn on your RFID bracelet.
Sir, what is your name? What seat where you in?  I don't want to taz the wrong person accidently.
Screw it, TAZ THEM ALL !
/em watches the whole plane dance to the voltage.
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Re: Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2008, 08:44:45 AM »
Yea, because if you are crafty enough to sneak weapons on a plane you wont be smart enough to cut the bracelet off before you hijack it? Or simply slide a insulating material between the bracelet and your wrist?
Who will pay for these things? I don't see how this would speed up anything, instead of looking at your ID the scan your bracelet. Air marshals are fine, they proved on mythbusters that you can't cause massive explosive decompression by shooting through the walls of an airplane. I also heard on the same show they proved how easy it is to hack RFID tags but the discovery channel wouldn't let them air the episode.
Most of what they are doing with RFID tags make me fear for my freedoms. It seems like this is old news anyway, the video mentioned that all cockpit doors needed to be reinforced by 2003, so I will bet this video is at least 6years old.
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Re: Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2008, 09:59:28 AM »
RFID = teh devil
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Re: Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2008, 10:40:42 AM »
Fortunately, our Federal Constitution would prevent such an intrusive violation of our privacy and fundemental rights.

Lots of these crazy ideas are tossed out every year but they first have to pass the Constitutional tests.

The more invasive an idea is, the more strict the review - and the burden of pursuasion is on the government.

The government would have to [1] demonstrate a compelling need for the particular thing it wants to do and [2] that is has used the least restrictive or invasive means possible to accomplish the result.

Sure, aircraft safety is a compelling need but there are other less invasive means to accomplish air safety so this bracelet would fail the Constitutional test.

Not to even mention the 4th Amendment issues raised here....
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Re: Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2008, 10:45:21 AM »
I don't even have the words to comment on this, so I'm gonna tell a story instead!  8)  

I was traveling from phoenix to dallas.  In one of my bags is a gun.  In another bag is my laptop.  Because I'm checking a gun, I get special scrutiny, as if by virtue of being a gun owner (and letting them know I have it)  then I must be a dangerous person.  They run my bags through a giant scanner set aside from everything else.  I didn't know exactly what it was scanning for, but they ran my stuff through three times.  They told me that one of my bags kept reading positive for explosives.  Now, I assumed that it might have been the 500 rounds i put through my gun the day before since I didn't clean it very well.  Nope, it's not that bag, it's the laptop in the other bag.

Wonder how many millions of dollars that hunk of crap cost us?

I miss the days of private security at the airports.  It seemed much more effective, curteous and intelligent.
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Re: Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2008, 10:49:16 AM »
Quote from: "Maestro"
I don't even have the words to comment on this, so I'm gonna tell a story instead!  8)  

I was traveling from phoenix to dallas.  In one of my bags is a gun.  In another bag is my laptop.  Because I'm checking a gun, I get special scrutiny, as if by virtue of being a gun owner (and letting them know I have it)  then I must be a dangerous person.  They run my bags through a giant scanner set aside from everything else.  I didn't know exactly what it was scanning for, but they ran my stuff through three times.  They told me that one of my bags kept reading positive for explosives.  Now, I assumed that it might have been the 500 rounds i put through my gun the day before since I didn't clean it very well.  Nope, it's not that bag, it's the laptop in the other bag.

Wonder how many millions of dollars that hunk of crap cost us?

I miss the days of private security at the airports.  It seemed much more effective, curteous and intelligent.

And the one time it detects a bomb; your bitch about being hassled for awhile goes from barely relevant to non-existent.

Private security at the airports seemed much more effective, courteous and intelligent because they did very little.

I don't think this RFID thing is good, but, I think most of the security things in place at airports now are generally a good idea; 9/11 just highlighted the vulnerability of the air travel system.

That being said, I fly a lot and it doesn't really bother me. I adapt, and I get to my destination.
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Re: Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2008, 11:54:17 AM »
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And the one time it detects a bomb; your bitch about being hassled for awhile goes from barely relevant to non-existent.

Private security at the airports seemed much more effective, courteous and intelligent because they did very little.

I don't think this RFID thing is good, but, I think most of the security things in place at airports now are generally a good idea; 9/11 just highlighted the vulnerability of the air travel system.

That being said, I fly a lot and it doesn't really bother me. I adapt, and I get to my destination.

Nope, but thanks for playing.  This was a machine set aside specifically for special cases like me.  People who have special items to declare.  It was not the same thing that standard passengers went through.

I didn't bitch about being hasseled for awhile, when I travel with a gun, I expect to go through a few hoops.  

And your comment about the private security doing very little?  What do you base this on?  Granted, my only real dealings with private security was at DFW airport in 2000, but they where the most professional, dedicated and aware private security people I've ever dealt with. TSA on the other hand, have never impressed me.  The men pull aside and hassle the cute girls, they sit there and are very unprofessional while working. "Damn girl, you look so fine, you sure you want to get on this flight, you should come to my place and we could make things happen!"  I actually heard this form a TSA thug to a young girl, maybe 18, going through security, and he was even grabbing his crotch while he said it.  But if I confronted him about it, I knew I would never get on my plane.  

I know what I have to do to get through security and get to my plane,  and I understand the need for security.  I, too, "adapt, and I get to my destination" I am just not impressed by TSA and the idea that throwing money at a problem solves it.

EDIT: Oh, and what security measures are in place now that weren't in place before 9/11?
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Re: Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2008, 12:12:15 PM »
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Nope, but thanks for playing.  This was a machine set aside specifically for special cases like me.  People who have special items to declare.  It was not the same thing that standard passengers went through.

No, you were just around for the screening. Depends on the airport, but, most bags that are checked go through an explosives screening check. For instance, at the airport in Missoula, MT, every bag is swabbed and the swab is run through the explosives detector. I'm willing to bet that your laptop went off since you had so much gunpowder residue on your hands and then you touched it and it got all over it. My Kifaru Marauder goes off almost every single time it gets swabbed.

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And your comment about the private security doing very little?  What do you base this on?  Granted, my only real dealings with private security was at DFW airport in 2000, but they where the most professional, dedicated and aware private security people I've ever dealt with. TSA on the other hand, have never impressed me.  The men pull aside and hassle the cute girls, they sit there and are very unprofessional while working. "Damn girl, you look so fine, you sure you want to get on this flight, you should come to my place and we could make things happen!"  I actually heard this form a TSA thug to a young girl, maybe 18, going through security, and he was even grabbing his crotch while he said it.  But if I confronted him about it, I knew I would never get on my plane.  

I base it on the fact that air security restrictions were INCREDIBLY lax pre-9/11. It's not hard to come off well when you have to do very little. I agree, private security people were just fine, but, I mean, what were they really doing? Again, you're here with the lame stories -- add 'And then I found five dollars.' to the end and we're getting somewhere.

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I know what I have to do to get through security and get to my plane,  and I understand the need for security.  I, too, "adapt, and I get to my destination" I am just not impressed by TSA and the idea that throwing money at a problem solves it.

EDIT: Oh, and what security measures are in place now that weren't in place before 9/11?

Well, if you think for some reason that posting a little sob story about getting profiled for being a gun owner, even though you consent to the secondary, additional search when you declare firearms, is relevant - you aren't adapting. Just like this forum, airlines are a private enterprise; there's no reason you have to like their rules, just abide by them. They're not changing any time soon, and no amount of protest will get them to. Unfortunately, airlines are also a necessary enterprise. There are business travelers who will do whatever they need to to fly. There is always going to be a market. Boycotting the airlines is like boycotting gasoline. You're just making it easier for the people who won't to get served. In the end, like most things modern society, we're at the whim of the airlines. That being said, it's really not that bad.

In response to your question about what security measures there are in place that weren't before 9/11, well, to quote your earlier, TERRIBLY unfunny quip, 'thanks for playing.' Are you serious?  I fly basically every three or four months, so, multiply that by 16, maybe 17 or so years and that's a lot of flying. I've seen the change in security at the airport, and, you would have to be blind not to. Since 9/11, the security has tightened up in a huge, huge way. Gotta take your shoes off, go through the puffer booth, almost every bag gets searched, most bags get checked for explosives residue (like I mentioned above), metal detectors are far more advanced, all kinds of stuff. Secondary screening for something like one in five people (this seems to have loosened in the last one or two years; it's mostly on a racial profiling basis now, as far as I've seen) is the norm - pre 9/11 I only saw the most fucked up people get pulled aside.

Hell, pre 9/11 you were able to bring on alcohol and a lighter - you could set the goddamn plane on fire.

All that being said, I don't think this RFID thing is a good idea, not defending it at all. David, that's too funny about the insulating material, I never would have thought about that, but, it seems so obvious.
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Re: Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2008, 01:03:29 PM »
I fly a freakin lot and I always fly with a checked weapon.

I have no problems.  I declare the weapon, fill out the little card and sign it, then personally escort my weapon to the TSA screening point where they scan and tag it.  Sometimes they open it up, mostly they don't.

I don't consider any of it a hassle or burden in light of the fact that as soon as I am on the ground and clear of baggae claim I am immediatley armed.  To me its worth it.

By the way, most people would be blown away at the high number of armed LEOs flying around... not talking about FAM's either... just the po po.
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Re: Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2008, 02:10:08 PM »
I never said I considered it a hassle or anything, i said I expected a little extra because I was checking a weapon.  My story was about the damn machine going off for the computer but not the gun, saying that was ridiculous.  But hey, since we can't tell stories on this forum, i guess the General Off-Topic Discussion section is just going to have to go away.  Can't talk about event, or things we've seen, or anything like that, then oh well.

Oh, my bad, it's actually just the majority of us that can't relate stories unless a select few personally like them or approve of them.  Doc, you're cool, I like what you post.  Vince, you're usually very funny, and I also usually agree with what you say, but you're hassling me for relating a story about a peice of machinery.

I'll settle this by not posting into this thread again, therefore you won't have any reason to be Vince.
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Re: Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2008, 10:51:32 AM »
[...]I fly a lot and it doesn't really bother me. I adapt, and I get to my destination.[/quote]

That sums up my attitude towards this.

I hardly see it as another excuse to don a tinfoil hat.
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Re: Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2008, 09:36:04 PM »
To be honest I've flown several times over the past couple years and the only thing I'm worried about is having a case of diarrhea from the food I ate in the airport before boarding... I dont wanna be THAT guy that stuck up the plane.
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Re: Even more reason to not get on an airplane...
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2008, 06:24:42 PM »
I sleep from the point I sit down to the point that I stand up to get off, barring the exception that I didn't time my bladder accordingly. I fly way to much to care. The only complaint I have is my long legs and the lack of leg space; but again, sleep.

I love traveling internationally in Latin America though. They barely even blink an eye at a gun case. It's great.
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