good enviornments

[Greg]

i personally think it'd be pretty good for airsoft because it has ditches and hills and trees etc.

Like the rest of Arizona?

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[Shellshock]

lmao. yeah, you got me there..

[Reaver]

I agree with Andy here that it's not as easy as it sounds.  Waivers are all and good, but they are not a foolproof shield against a lawsuit.  Someone can still sue you and even win even if they signed a waiver.  Hence the reason for insurnace.  Such is the nature of a litigous society.  

[Surplus man]

thats why why you form a corporation, then a non profit organization, so if they sue one person they have to sue the corporation, and if the corporation is non profit, it has no money. they get screwed

[stoneaglewolf]

Actually, you can get screwed because all assets listed under any corporation profit or not are at risk. A common misconception is that Non-profits don't have money. The difference is that a non-profit is limited as to how much it can have. If you really don't want to be sued then setup a Nevada Corporation. These structures are nearly impossible to pursue legally. LLC's are ok for individuals because it prohibits a lawsuit from touching personal items such as your house.

However, most people run into the biggest of issues which is insurance. This is hard to find and more expensive to buy.

[andyhinds]

Your both wrong, people can still sue the organizers, personally.  There is nothing stopping anybody from suing the owner of the LLC, the legal term is "Piercing the corporate Veil".  Law 101.  It still amazes me how many people talk out of their ass when it comes to legal issues... everybody is an expert.  They hide this sort of information in BOOKS.

Insurance isn't a problem at all, its approx. $411/month which covers up to 100 people per week.  Here's the breakdown on the coverage.

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One thing to keep in mind is this insurance will only apply to 18yrs and older.  The insurance company won't insure those under 18yrs.

[chainsaw]

so this would mean people under 18 cant play or just have to play uninsured?

[Firehead]

Well....i think that means no play for minors.

[chainsaw]

oh darn well just a thought what about sponserd players  :roll:

[andyhinds]

so this would mean people under 18 cant play or just have to play uninsured?

Ya...

[chainsaw]

so this would mean people under 18 cant play or just have to play uninsured?

Ya...

So Is there a waiver saying that you are held unresponisble or just cant play?

[Firehead]

Did you not read? Just becuase there is a waiver doesn't mean they still can't get sued ect.

[chainsaw]

I did , i was just wondering if they take it to a lawer if there was any way they CAN get protected

[andyhinds]

You are 13yrs old, legally you can't sign a waiver... only your parents can.  There isn't a problem until you lose an eye and then your mom and dad are hell bent on suuing somebody with deep pockets.  

BTW, nothing against you personally I was just giving an example, but this appies to everybody.  Even adults sue over the smallest things, lawyers line up for this kind of stuff.

[chainsaw]

You are 13yrs old, legally you can't sign a waiver... only your parents can.  There isn't a problem until you lose an eye and then your mom and dad are hell bent on suuing somebody with deep pockets.  

BTW, nothing against you personally I was just giving an example, but this appies to everybody.  Even adults sue over the smallest things, lawyers line up for this kind of stuff.

Well my dad is a lawer and if you want i can talk to him about if there is any kind of waiver?