Is sniping even worth it?

[Farslayer]

Hey!

You know that tree looks like it made a good position for a sniper.  Good concealment, good cover, and the suit blends in fairly well.  Only problem is....what ARE you doing in a tree? :shock:

If your position was compromised, you're dead!  There's only one escape out of a tree troop....DOWN!  And if the enemy team has you located...they will be waiting for you at the bottom.  I would have picked a better location where I could escape if compromised....

This is Airsoft, remember?  (God in TOS   would argue) That being said, noone ever looks up in a tree in Airsoft.  Never.  I shot 15 people from that position and was never spotted.  I was stationary because we were defending our position.

Also....you NEED to make a ghillie wrap for your weapon!  You can see the forward lenz on your scope!  That minor detail can get you killed in a game!  I can see that there is light reflecting off the lenz.

What you see is the FLASH, not ambient light.  It was overcast and raining that day.  Wraps are nice, you are right, but I was borrowing that gun.

Listen to what Mark said he is right on all points.  Strive for a reputation like his.  The only thing I would do different would be to take your ghille down to the local coin laundary and put it in a top-loading washer for about two minutes on high.  PUll out your ghille, put it in a heavy trash bag, scoop up the burlap floating around (it will look like you put a cat in a blender) and get the hell out of there.  Line dry your suit.  Done.

Take the extra burlap that you scooped out and shoo-goo it to your gloves and mask:

[Phyrst]

I have a couple questions for you guys that have played in Ghillie suits. Its probally not suitable for AEG,s going full auto right? (With changing mags and carrying them)  It looks bloody hot, but I remember a post by someone stating that they are cooler, is it hotter, cooler or 'bout the same?  Lastly it looks like you wouldn't even feel a BB hit or do you?

Thanks,
Charlie

[Fish]

About BBs hitting you... at 400fps you don't feel it most of the time if you get hit in the arm. Also, alot of people have stock guns, so the pain is even ligher. And if you get hit in the vest, then you just hear it. Usually when I get hit its just a light touch, that is if I get hit in the arm or leg. Maybe CQB is different.

[Farslayer]

I have a couple questions for you guys that have played in Ghillie suits. Its probally not suitable for AEG,s going full auto right? (With changing mags and carrying them)  It looks bloody hot, but I remember a post by someone stating that they are cooler, is it hotter, cooler or 'bout the same?  Lastly it looks like you wouldn't even feel a BB hit or do you?

Thanks,
Charlie

Chuck,

Ghilles are suitable for most weapons, the real question is whether or not the scenerio supports someone in a ghille suit.

I carried both a sniper rifle as a sniper and an AEG in the role of a spotter/recon player:


If you think about it, the spotter in a real steel sniper team carries an automatic weapon, and I suppose the sniper could possible have a back up auto weapon too.

I wouldn't wear a ghille at game of CQB or one that is mostly in an AO that isn't rural.  You can play on the outskirts of a building in a ghille, but you can't move from there....a ghille coming down the hall is just stupid.

You can modify your suit to carry mags, but a full rig is hard to wear.  I just dumped my mags in my pocket.  I have seen one picture someplace of a team with rigs on, I can't find it right now.

Soft hits are hard to feel, especially when I'm trying to get the hell out of there.  You just have to be ultra conscience of hits and things like that.  Of course, if you are not sure, call your self out.  

There are ways to keep cool too.  Mark hit the nail when he said less is better.  All you need to do is really break up your outline.  Supplimenting your burlap with lighter dyed material works too.  I also add natural fibers.

This guy put panels in his suit to keep cool:
http://home.comcast.net/~davidawilson/L ... e_suit.htm

I don't know what the hell Fish just said....

[stoneaglewolf]

To add to the hits question... As a sniper you would be aware of every noise, breeze, burb, and fart. You purpose is to be silence, moving only with a purpose, and know all things around you. I have never not known that I was being shot at. If anything it is actually the other way around with a bolt action.

[MIKEY]

Thanks for the insight fella's!  And Farslayer...I apologize if I came off as a smart-ass in my post regarding your topic/picture.  No hard feelings?  I was just suprised because sniping from a tree is such an uncommon approach when considering traditional sniper tactics.  I did not realize you were in a defensive position.  It's nice to see fellow snipers in Airsoft.  During my paintball days, we were looked down apon,  most players did not understand the role of a "lone wolf" sniper or a hunter/killer team.  They just looked at us as if we were from another world....well until the paint came out of nowhere, and they were going down like flies!  Then and only then did those players realize that they were the hunted.....not us.  We were the "ghosts of the woods". After that, they respected us, never gave us sh*t again.  I operated on a hunter/killer team in Cali. with my spotter Jimmy. We would alternate shooter/spotter positions, tactics and such.  Somtimes we would go out alone.  We would even go out on night ops with  NVG's. (Hand Held) anyhow.  But paintball became old and the team members went there ways.  That's when I was welcomed to Airsoft.  MAN is miss it!  I ordered a "decent" sniper rifle for now...just to learn with and get myself tuned back in to the world of sniping.  As I gain more knowlege in the "Airsoft Sniper" world, I'll go ahead and upgrade to an M-24 or such.  I would really enjoy sharing some trigger time with all of you!  Be great to be around fellow snipers once again.

[Farslayer]

Thanks for the insight fella's!  And Farslayer...I apologize if I came off as a smart-ass in my post regarding your topic/picture.  No hard feelings?  I was just suprised because sniping from a tree is such an uncommon approach when considering traditional sniper tactics.  I did not realize you were in a defensive position.

I wasn't pissed or anything.  I just wanted to clarify some things.  We can afford to do crap in airsoft that you wouldn't do in the sandbox.

just have fun.

[GrimUSMC]

A sniper and spotter sometimes carry both m4s along with an m40. It all depends on what the op is and the surroundings. Ive heard of some teams operating in Iraq carrying the M4s till they get into position. Basically its up to the team and they can carry whatever they want and get whatever they want.

[MIKEY]

What's going on fella's?

Well, my bolt-action came in today.  Now I now that there are better quality rifles out there but like I said, I wanted a bolt-action that I could at least start out with and be involved in a game.

Anyhow it's a M324S by UTG.  And I have to tell ya!  I have handled low to mid range airsoft weapons and wanted to throw them in the trash!  But this weapon is different.  It's a BIG Bitc*! 42in. without butt spacers, Around 44in. with all three installed.  Came with OD Green Stock (I love OD) along with sling, 3 25rd. mags, fast bb loader, Leapers scope with rings, folding bi-pod etc.  And it's got the weight of an authentic rifle.  Around 7.89lbs. fully ready to go! My real bolt-action sniper rifle (Russian Mosin-Nagant M/9130) weights in at 8.52lbs. loaded.  9.36lbs. with sling and scope.  So I was happy with the weight!  Also, the upgrades for this rifle are comin out all over the place.  With my paintball hand held chrono...it clocked 336.25 out of the box!  The barrel is aluminum, bore is around 6.10.  I found a barrel by DB Custom Airsoft that is brass and has a bore of 6.01.  I also located an improved hop-up chamber that does not bleed off as fast as the stock chamber!  I paid 125.00 for the package.  With the two upgrades I would like to install, total price of my starter sniper rifle will come to just under 190.00 dollars.  There is also an upgraded bolt coming out next month as well.  Now, I read hundreds of customer reviews and found bairly any bad comments thus far.  And from talking with people that have preformed the above upgrades to the weapon, they are reporting performance ratings around 450FPS w/t 0.25 bb's.  I shot this rifle out in Queen Valley and was hittin a soda can from over 100.0 ft.  I hit 7/10 shots.  

It may ba a cheapy....but it does have balls if upgraded smartly and maintained properly.  I'll have pics up here tomorrow....

Keep it real

[MIKEY]

Hey fella's!

Where and when are you snipers goin to be playin?  I finished up some minor touches on my ghillie suit and have finished upgrading my rifle with a new inner barrel and hop up system!  I'm itchin to meet up you fella's to do a little sniping!

Get back to me when ya got some intel.

BRAVO-25 OUT!

[Farslayer]

Hey fella's!

Where and when are you snipers goin to be playin?  I finished up some minor touches on my ghillie suit and have finished upgrading my rifle with a new inner barrel and hop up system!  I'm itchin to meet up you fella's to do a little sniping!

Get back to me when ya got some intel.

BRAVO-25 OUT!

There are usually at least one or two at each AA game.  Maybe you should think up scerios to pitch to use at a skirmish.  Something like sniper teams setting up ambushes, sniper teams trying to make it to an objective, sniper vs. sniper...whatever.

[MIKEY]

I'll do that!  I did have a few idea's for some games involving sniper hunter/killer teams....I just was not sure how people would act to the ideas.  Even in Airsoft, sniping is an outcast profession. :?  I could use a a spotter/team member to go out in the bush with.  I'll post up some idea's and see how they go.

Thanks Troop!

BRAVO-25 OUT!

[Farslayer]

I'll do that!  I did have a few idea's for some games involving sniper hunter/killer teams....I just was not sure how people would act to the ideas.  Even in Airsoft, sniping is an outcast profession. :?  I could use a a spotter/team member to go out in the bush with.  I'll post up some idea's and see how they go.

Thanks Troop!

BRAVO-25 OUT!

I don't think they look down on us, just don't want to do what we like to do.  Some go into it with some expectations that are never fulfilled.  Just like some will be support gunners, we specialize.

Snipers don't fit in every scenerio.

[MIKEY]

That's true, and I see your point.  But at the same time I think that snipers attached to units can come in real handy.  Even in urban warfare situtions.  Sometimes you need that one, well placed shot to take care of the a@shole that's pinning your team down.  And no matter how much fire you put his way...he's still there.  Know what I mean?

[Farslayer]

That's true, and I see your point.  But at the same time I think that snipers attached to units can come in real handy.  Even in urban warfare situtions.  Sometimes you need that one, well placed shot to take care of the a@shole that's pinning your team down.  And no matter how much fire you put his way...he's still there.  Know what I mean?

Had a taste of that last night.