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Offline jwflowersii

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Interesting Article about M4
« on: April 12, 2007, 02:39:24 PM »
It seems Special Forces are not happy with M4's.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,131317,00.html
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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2007, 03:32:43 PM »
Well then again, they probably treat their M4s very rough and that's to be expected in their line of work.
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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2007, 04:17:00 PM »
I'd like to see the reasoning for keeping the M4, instead of just saying "The SOF's claims were ignored" again and again.
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2007, 04:30:52 PM »
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I'd like to see the reasoning



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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2007, 04:40:39 PM »
This is old news really, they haven't been happy with them for a while.  The only reason it is coming up again is that the HK416 meets all of the requirements and HK can keep the price about the same as what they pay now.  The military responds with, we are going to order some more Colts now.

There is no question that the M4/M16 was a very good design....  40 years ago.  It is common sense that in that amount of time they would have found ways to improve the platform.  Especially companies like H&K.
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2007, 05:28:22 PM »
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I'd like to see the reasoning


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I'd like to hear some evidence as well, if the gun "jams at critical moments", why wouldn't they want to alleviate that?
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2007, 01:00:32 PM »
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I'd like to hear some evidence as well, if the gun "jams at critical moments", why wouldn't they want to alleviate that?


I think Vince already answered that...

Politics.

They have no reason to continue ordering guns from Colt other than politics.  H&K already said they can match (or even beat) the price Colt is charging them and I don't think there is any question the HK416 is a better weapon than the stuff Colt is pushing.  I am sure some politician made a case for keeping it to US companies or something stupid like that.
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2007, 01:32:35 PM »
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I'd like to hear some evidence as well, if the gun "jams at critical moments", why wouldn't they want to alleviate that?

I think Vince already answered that...

Politics.

They have no reason to continue ordering guns from Colt other than politics.  H&K already said they can match (or even beat) the price Colt is charging them and I don't think there is any question the HK416 is a better weapon than the stuff Colt is pushing.  I am sure some politician made a case for keeping it to US companies or something stupid like that.


You don't see your local government driving foreign vehicles do you?
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2007, 01:39:09 PM »
yeah that makes sence. i dont think they've ever used anything than american arms as a standard
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2007, 02:57:26 PM »
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You don't see your local government driving foreign vehicles do you?


No, but I can't say I agree with that either.  Especially as far as local law enforcement is concerned.
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2007, 05:37:19 PM »
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yeah that makes sence. i dont think they've ever used anything than american arms as a standard

The M-249 SAW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M249_Squad_Automatic_Weapon , and the 240 series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M240 Are both FN's, however made in South Carolina... Heck even the Beretta is an Italian company.  And As far as H&K goes the SOCOM .45 aka H&K MK23 is made by H&K, and it's standard for SF, along with all the MP-5's the navy uses.... then there's the SIG P226 (SIG is a swiss company)...
Now granted most of my examples are made by American plants, I think the only exception would be the MK23 and due to that being SF, it's already been dismissed by the article I read due to SF having "different procurement methods".
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2007, 06:41:30 PM »
Yea, one of my friends who is in the army was telling me how unreliable they are if u get them muddy or sandy. The AK on the other hand....
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2007, 08:33:36 PM »
The AK consistently invokes thoughts of terrorism, and terrorists, so there is probably no chance that America would ever adopt a weapon with such negative connotations.  Let's face it, that weapon is NOT patriotic.  Ever.
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2007, 09:28:03 PM »
Wow. I always thought that the m4 was a good gun. Crazy.
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2007, 09:36:27 PM »
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there is probably no chance that America would ever adopt a weapon with such negative connotations.



im pretty sure things cannot have connotations


but i agree, I would never even use an airsoft AK let alone a real one
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