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Offline PureEvil616

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GBB vs EBB
« on: September 01, 2012, 10:34:57 AM »
So I am seeing a great increase in popularity of GBB rifles. After seeing some videos I can see why. Fast trigger response and more realism . But I personally see them as a little inefficient. I'm looking from a monetary standpoint. GBB mags are expensive and I'm not quite into real-cap mags when each mag costs that much. As a support gunner, there seems to be no place for me there.

But there are the EBB rifles too. They also seem inefficient, as they could drain the battery faster than normal. But at least I can use regular mags. (To my knowledge, if I'm wrong, please tell me)

So what's the verdict? Are EBBRs not as bad as I think on batteries, and are GBBRs really worth the money? Please inform me, for I yearn for knowledge.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2012, 10:37:09 AM by PureEvil616 »

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Re: GBB vs EBB
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2012, 10:41:56 AM »
Its not really the battery on EBBRS but more of the internal integrity of the gearbox, I assume when you say EBBR you mean mechanical blowback, where the mock bolt rides on the piston. While PBB (pneumatic) uses air power. Not as much stress on the gearbox but slight loss of fps (from what I have seen). If you want a gbbr for cheap or something try one of these out? Hope I helped some way.

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Re: GBB vs EBB
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2012, 10:51:53 AM »
That did help actually. But the mags... And I've only seen one pneumatic blowback gun. Are they still new?

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Re: GBB vs EBB
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2012, 11:27:44 AM »
not many company's use a pneumatic system as its not as easy to manufacture as a mechanical system. i personally had a ebb (pneumatic) and its just better to stick with a regular aeg as it doesn't really add that much cool factor, realism, or recoil just kind of a gimmick. i sold my ebb and bought a gbbr put it together myself with steel internals for 280 dollars

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Re: GBB vs EBB
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2012, 12:00:47 PM »
If you want a good reliable out of the box GBBR. I would say  the LM4 as I own one atm. (trying to sell it haha).
The WA system is great. Only if you know how to properly maintain and work with it. I also own a G&P I upgraded.
WE..... Meh. If you put steel internals it is decent. But their M4 GG Mags are notorious for leaking.

One great thing about the WA system, is that the parts are very cheap and so many to chose from. ($15 for a steel 55 bearing hammer) You can also purchase a AEG hopup conversion for them. Allowing you to use standard AEG barrels.
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Re: GBB vs EBB
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2012, 12:31:05 PM »
There are several schools of thought regarding this topic, but namely:

EBB- Either piston drive or Pneumatic, both driven by a battery. Mechanical, or piston driven, is a very primitive way of doing it, it started as a homebuild, and was ported to the market. These add stress on the internals, and generally just throw an un-needed hassle into the gun. These guns are usually very cheap, both to make, and in quality. It is cool, but I would avoid them.

Pneumatic Blowback looked to solve this by not interfering with the piston. Again, it adds another part into the system, however, while it does not directly interfere with the works, you must be mindful of the unit when upgrading. It is an external part on the gearbox, and takes some extra work, and care, to remove.

I own one of these, and, while I can't say I use it as a primary, I really do enjoy the blowback feature, it just makes the shot really satisfying, and lets me get some vibration feedback for each shot, to help me out a bit. It really does add something. Took me a while to get used to a normal AEG again :)

GBBR- These are purely gas driven systems, done a variety of ways, and honestly, in my opinion, really not worth the money. I have owned, and sold, a ton of GBBRS, two pdw's from WE, a WE M4, WOC, and a variety of SMG's, such as my mac 11's and mp5's.
There are a hassle to fill, a hassle to maintain, and honestly, I was afraid every time I shot mine, that they would break.
If you ever need proof that GBBR is a love hate relationship, go and look around on forums like ASF, ASR, and ASM, the only thing more available than advice, is broken GBBR parts.
That said, the recoil is cool, and the range on these guns is better out of the box, then out of the box AEG's (Usually) But, the gas in mag system just provides too much inconsistency for any type of accurate use. Even with the best RA-Tech parts, and the most sealed mags available, stuff still breaks, and problems occur. Taping a mag for external gas can solve this, but then you lose the effect of having a replica with changeable mags, and you have to carry a hose.

Also, GBBR mags are a racket. For there quaility, they shouldn't cost $30 and up.

In short,
I love despise mechanical blowback for being cheap and cool
I love despise Pneumatic blowback for being harder to work on and awesome
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I love the recoil of a GBBR, and managing my gas and low ammo (don't judge me lol), and really despise there high cost, high maintenance, lack of reliability, higher repair cost, inconsistency, and everything else about them.

Choose wisely

*NOTE: I have not yet tried KWA's new GBBR's, so, do internet research on them. I also STILL intend to buy there Kriss, even with my thought on GBBR's
« Last Edit: September 01, 2012, 12:33:51 PM by Exarach »
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Re: GBB vs EBB
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2012, 01:44:28 PM »
Can't say I blame you on the Kriss. That is a sexy gun. And thank you for the info. I think I'll stick to AEGs until I get a ridiculously good paying job. A shame there's no blowback M249s...
 

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Re: GBB vs EBB
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2012, 02:03:58 PM »
A shame there's no blowback M249s...
 

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Re: GBB vs EBB
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2012, 03:19:57 PM »
Can't say I blame you on the Kriss. That is a sexy gun. And thank you for the info. I think I'll stick to AEGs until I get a ridiculously good paying job. A shame there's no blowback M249s...
 
yeah stick with aeg's the world of the gbbr is not for the faint of heart or those not willing to do alot of fitting to the internal workings.  The lm4 is a great gbbr ootb but its upgrade parts are completely lacking, WA system is sub par ootb but has plenty of aftermarket parts. The most bullet proof gbbr you can get is a viper tech of ino but those are illegal to import to the states sadly.   



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Re: GBB vs EBB
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2012, 10:24:01 AM »
My favorite system out there at the moment is in the TM Scar. They use a new Gen 2 gearbox which is completely different from other gearboxes and just shoots so amazingly accurate and smooth bone-stock.

The way the hopup, barrel, and airseal work together I was lobbing out .28's @ 260fps farther and more consistently than a stock Magpul Masada PTS (Not A&K) at 380 fps.

Its got a nice feeling recoil too, not as heavy as my old WA M4, but its appreciable and has a nice clack to it. Add the fact that there is zero gearbox whine (ZERO) and its basically the perfect system.