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« on: April 23, 2002, 02:45:50 PM »
Just a quick reply to both questions... If you look at the Redwolf site under GBB's/KSC, they have a column which indicates the best type of gas to use. They have done a lot of research on this matter and their opinion holds credible value to me. Also, I personally own two KSC GBB's. A Glock 18 and an M11. I use green gas (roughly equivalent to HFc22) in both of them with no ill effects. I'm not sure about the G19 though. Metal slides add good weight to the gun and make a nice metallic sound when you rack it, but the loss in cyclic ROF doesn't justify the expense (IMHO). HFc134a would cycle a metal slide fine, however the loss in energy and ROF would probably be detrimental on the battlefield. And, let's face it. Sure we want to look good out there. But where the rubber meets the road is in firepower. I have tried both HFc22 and HFc134a in my Glock 18 (totally stock mind you), and the cyclic did not change noticably. What I did notice however, was range and power (joules or velocity). So for me, I keep my KSC's stock (just the way they came from the factory), and fill'em with green gas, and heaven help the poor bas@#$d who gets in the way. Just my opinion though.

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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2002, 06:50:34 PM »
I have <b>heard</b> that when using green gas or hfc22 with a Glock18, it sometimes breaks the slide, since it has that cutout in the top. Is this just another internet rumor that somebody who has never even touched the gun started? Funny thing, the Glock 18 and the M11A1 are the two guns I am trying to decide between<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

P.S. Do you buy your gas at the Command post?

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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2002, 09:29:32 PM »
I to have heard the same rumor about the Glock, but have yet to see that happen to one.  I have a metal slide on mine and 134a gas is not powerful enough to cycle the slide back.  Compared to The Rev's stock 18c his ROF is alot fast than mine.  And thats with hfc22.  

I have used both gasses in my KJW Beretta and my USP.  I get better performance out of hfc22.  I once used 134a in a skirmish with my USP and the range and power was very poor - worse than springer power.  But it still cycled the slide.  

On my Beretta the slide catch wore down, so it didn't catch all the time.  I fixed that by super gluing a small strip of metal cut from a 3.5" diskette slide to the catch area.  That worked out really well.  I have only fired that bad boy around the house for a few hundred rounds and it still catches ever time on the last shot.  I still have yet to battle test it though.  A fix like that I am sure could be done to a Glock slide too if need be.

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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2002, 09:31:35 PM »
Wolf,

The G18C is now sold as Version 2. Basically, this means that there is a metal insert in the front of the slide that reinforces the cutout. Helped out quite a bit when I had mine. As far as I know, everyone that I have heard from that owns one seems to think that it's just fine as is. Hope this helped.

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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2002, 09:38:10 PM »
How do I know I am buying a version 2 when ordering? If I decide to order one, I would like to be sure that I am not getting the first version. Thanks for all of your help.

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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2002, 10:37:13 PM »
How to make sure you are getting the version 2?... Don't order from Redwolf...

Actually, I would just e-mail the company and ask them.  Usually U.S. companies are better about the whole total disclosure aspect of their sales since the U.S. is a breeding ground for lawyers <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>  (no offense to any of you fellow airsoft players who are lawyers)Personally, I have found it entirely worth the extra money to order from in-country airsoft stores simply because you get real answers to questions like that.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2002, 05:17:53 PM »
Most Airsoft retailers in-country offer the KWA version (this is the same basic company as KSC except they are located in Taiwan, and sell strictly for the US market). The KWA gun lacks the fine finish detail found on the KSC guns. However, operationally speaking, they are fine performers. So if you don't care whether the pistol has a Glock or Cobray logo, then by all means... There are a few retailers in-country that still offer unadulterated KSC weapons, but they are few and far between. And, as I'm sure Chase would substantiate, the Customs service is becoming more and more strict with regards to how imports are handled now. As far as the versions available for the Glock is concerned. I would ask any supplier you planned on doing business with, regardless of which country they were from. Most suppliers (Redwolf included) only offer version 2 now. I obtained my Glock 18C (full trademarks, logo's and no orange) from Airsoft Extreme in California. It took 3 days to get to me. Sure I paid a little more for it, but I got exactly what I wanted and expected. To me, the little extra is worth not having to worry about the hassles. Just my opinion.


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By the way, Airsoft Extreme is not carrying the KSC Glock 18C anymore. I was not given a reason why. Redwolf has a limited quantity on hand. I don't know where Chase (FullAuto) stands as far as stock on the 18C or the M11. Ebay has tons of the KWA version of the M11 up for auction. I only saw 1 KWA Glock 18C on Ebay.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2002, 05:30:56 PM »
So the version two has no trades and a reinforced slide? Are those the only differances?

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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2002, 11:32:19 AM »
No... The KSC version 2 (ordered from a reputable retailer) will "probably" have all the trademarks, and is upgraded with the metal insert in the slide. The KWA version already has the version 2 upgrade and is available from most US retailers. In all honesty, there is no telling nowadays, whether or not the gun you are ordering will have the full trades. The only way to know for sure is to ask the retailer. I'm pretty positive that most US retailers do NOT sell the KSC Glock's with full trademarks. But... you may find one or two around. Also, keep your eye out on ebay. KSC v2 Glocks come out every once in a while. If function and durability are more important to you than the collectability or looks of a particular gun, then go ahead and get the KWA versions. Functionally speaking, they are just as good as their KSC counterparts. Just my opinion.


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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2002, 08:32:02 PM »
Some people say that KSC makes their guns so that they can handle HFC22/Green Gas. But others say you should never use HFC22 in them, unless you upgrade it. Does anyone know what is true? If i bought a Glock19 or Glock18, would I be able to use HFC22 in it without blowing the valves and seals? Or should I upgrade valves, seals, and the like?
  Oh yeah, if I put a metal slide on one of those guns, will HFC134a be able to cycle the slide?

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