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« on: July 26, 2010, 04:26:22 PM »
So I am a complete noob when it comes to springer snipers. But have been contemplating getting one.

Anyone have a good recommendation on a sniper both the good and bad points it would help me out alot .

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Re: brand recommendations?
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2010, 11:35:47 PM »
I am currently building a sniper from a maruzen L96 platform. As far as I have seen when looking at parts, VSR-10/BAR-10 parts are way easier to find. I would go that route or gas if I did it again. Prepare to test your patience and spend $$$ for results. Check out the PDI hop up though if you do go with a Type96/L96. That thing is amazing and saved the whole project. FPS without controll is useless, so to do a sniper right, everyting you can mod needs to be done to strengthen it so it will hold up to a strong springs abuse and remain consistent. When I am finished with my gun, I will post a complete build and review I have been working on since day one. Look for it in a couple weeks after the rest of my Laylax order comes.
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Re: brand recommendations?
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2010, 06:08:17 AM »
VSR-10/BAR-10 is pretty much considered the THE base platform of choice.  There's far more parts and upgrades available for that platform than any other.  However, in Arizona, I would highly recommend considering a gas sniper rifle (IE Tanaka M700/M40) as they have several advantages.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2010, 10:14:54 AM »
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VSR-10/BAR-10 is pretty much considered the THE base platform of choice.  There's far more parts and upgrades available for that platform than any other.  However, in Arizona, I would highly recommend considering a gas sniper rifle (IE Tanaka M700/M40) as they have several advantages.

advantages such as?
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2010, 10:50:11 AM »
High stock velocity and a quieter shot are a few traits of most gas snipers. In the heat, you get awesome performance with gas, and it doesn't get cold enough in most most areas of Az to change the performance much, so it is consisent too.
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2010, 03:33:15 PM »
So I found a G&G G96 on ASGI looks decent. Now what should I upgrade on it other than a tightbore barrel. I am wanting at least 550 fps if not higher
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Re: brand recommendations?
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2010, 06:19:13 PM »
Stick with a Tanaka, they are still the king of gas sniper rifles.

PRO's:
High Stock velocity
Above average stock velocity
Consistent performance (in warm weather)
Extremely quiet
Almost no bolt pull (no spring to compress)

CON's:
Fairly pricey
FPS greatly effected by temperature
High mag cost
Limited selection of upgrade parts

I've had two Tanaka M700's and am planning on getting another one.  Even in colder temps, while they have lost a lot of velocity, they'll still outperform stock spring snipers.  My last Tanaka M700 AICS was shooting 480fps with .29g SGM's, stock, with the PCS about 70%-80% open.  If you get an "import" model with the lower FPS, that's just a matter or replacing the nozzle with an unrestricted one or if you are handy, drilling the stock one out.
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2010, 06:23:07 PM »
Thanks xavier so the only upgrade would be the pcs valve? Any thing else I should want to know
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 06:40:04 PM »
Yeah Pick I would go with gas. Spring guns never seem to reach my expectations. Gas snipers cost more to begin with but they will be worth it in the end. To make a springer as good as gas would nearly cost as much in the end. Plus, gas sounds way cooler and you don't have to deal with the sound of the spring every time you shoot hahaha. I've never used a tanaka m700 but I have never heard anything bad about it.
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Re: brand recommendations?
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 06:52:23 PM »
Specific to the Tanaka:

The M700's (including AICS) and M40's are pretty much the same internally, it's just a matter of looks.  They take the same mags (except the AICS can't use the short mags), and IIRC have the same barrel.  If you plan on being active with it, get the long mags as they have a larger gas chamber.  Don't be tempted by the KJW M700 mags as they are far inferior quality.  Their impact plate wears out way faster and they are more prone to feeding issues.  In addition, the extra $20 for the long mags gets you almost 3 times the ammo capacity (29rds vs 10rds).  I personally wouldn't recommend the AICS simply because it weighs like 3 times as much as the regular M700 but if you have to have the looks, then go for it.  King Arms makes a conversion kit for them so you can use VSR-10 inner barrels.  IF you can find it, get the G&G rubber kit for the gun.  

Parts wise, your only option is Hong Kong.  Some of the parts were hard to come by 3 years ago, now isn't any better.  G&G and Best Gun parts are all but gone, King Arms is your only option for most parts.  Be prepared to be looking a while for the more uncommon parts.  WGC and Den Trinity are going to be your best bets.  Ehobby and Redwolf don't stock much along this lines.  Evike supposedly has some of the parts, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that being true.  The King Arms upgrade nozzle costs $15, get it with the gun, especially if you are getting a restricted one.  Wait on the chamber until you see how the gun performs stock (with the nozzle).   Do not get the Power Pack or Power Bolts (G&G or King Arms) as they are completely unnecessary.  Do get some of the striker plate and spring kits (I've only used the G&G, KA wasn't making them at the time) as they are good replacements for when your stock ones wear out.  If you don't get one of the conversion chambers, EDGI makes barrels pre cut for Tanaka.

For consistencies sake you could upgrade your mags to use HPA, but that's a lot of hassle and cost.  It can't be beat performance wise, but I never found the pros to out weigh the cons.  Use propane, not green gas as green gas over lubricates the gun.

Lastly, while the KJW M700 is mostly a clone of the Tanaka's, do not be tempted by it's price.  It's stock performance doesn't even come close to touching the Tanaka's stock performance.  The amount of money you will have to spend to get the KJW to keep up with a Tanaka is more than the cost of the Tanaka.
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Re: brand recommendations?
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2010, 07:01:37 PM »
Quote from: "XavierMace"
For consistencies sake you could upgrade your mags to use HPA, but that's a lot of hassle and cost. It can't be beat performance wise, but I never found the pros to out weigh the cons. Use propane, not green gas as propane over lubricates the gun.


xavier, i read through that post and this caught my eye.. did you mean to write that "green gas over lubricates the gun"?..


this thread is very helpful, i have been looking at a gas/bolt rifle type platform and this gave me some good insight for the Tanaka specifically.. thank you

edit: nevermind, you already got it lol my bad  :)
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Re: brand recommendations?
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2010, 07:03:36 PM »
Does the tanaka come with scope rails?

Also is there a way to attach a foam suppressor to the end of it to make it quieter?

Could you post some links to what your taking about I understand most of it but the parts are confusing lol
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2010, 07:19:49 PM »
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For consistencies sake you could upgrade your mags to use HPA, but that's a lot of hassle and cost. It can't be beat performance wise, but I never found the pros to out weigh the cons. Use propane, not green gas as propane over lubricates the gun.


xavier, i read through that post and this caught my eye.. did you mean to write that "green gas over lubricates the gun"?..


this thread is very helpful, i have been looking at a gas/bolt rifle type platform and this gave me some good insight for the Tanaka specifically.. thank you

Yeah, I caught that right before you posted and fixed it.

The reason I didn't post links to the parts is many of them aren't even listed on sites anymore.  I'll give you links to them on Evike simply because they never take anything off.  I'm by no means recommending ordering from them.

Do get:
  Nozzle - http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info ... s_id=32381
  Rubbers - http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info ... s_id=32781

Could get:
  Chamber - http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info ... s_id=28726 (HAVE to get new barrel if you do this)
  Tightbore - http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info ... s_id=31871
  Power Kit - http://www.uncompany.com/pageproductdet ... rodid=3598
  Knock Arm - http://www.uncompany.com/pageproductdet ... rodid=3597

Don't get:
  Powerbolt - http://www.uncompany.com/pageproductdet ... rodid=3602  (This is not the same as the above power kit)
 
The knock arms go in the mags, so you would want one for each mag or you will get variations in mag to mag performance.  The reason I list the power kit under "Could get" is that it will increase the FPS which is already high enough to be an issue at many field.  However, it does increase the consistency, so it's something worth considering.

In regards to the suppressor, they make adapters for the regular M700 but they do not fit on the AICS barrel.

Edit: Oh, I do still have a Well L96 (Star/Ares clone) if you want to check it out just to see the different between a gas rifle and a spring.  It will also allow me to show you what some of the parts in question do as well as why not to go the clone route on these things.
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2010, 07:36:35 PM »
Thanks xavier for the links it helps when your not sure what your looking at or what to get

And I will have to take you up on that offer
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2010, 07:45:02 PM »
I'll be heading down there tomorrow afternoon.  I'll make sure to bring it along.
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