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Title: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Azsworst on October 09, 2009, 08:49:56 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2621/3991585631_a212dfccf8_o.jpg)

Sign up here
http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option ... &Itemid=44 (http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=44)

Questions? I'll be happy to answer them.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny
Post by: Kodiak on October 09, 2009, 09:26:56 PM
Beautiful. What are the FPS limits and is there a field fee?
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny
Post by: axisofoil on October 09, 2009, 10:52:00 PM
Poster looks interesting. I think I might have to get down to this one if finals aren't kickin my butt then.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny
Post by: Azsworst on October 09, 2009, 11:11:23 PM
Quote from: "Kodiak"
Beautiful. What are the FPS limits and is there a field fee?

 All AEGs not covered further below must be at or under 376 fps with a .25g BB (420 w/ .20g).
2. All Sniper rifles* must be at or under 460 fps with a .36g BB (617 w/ .20g) and must observe a 75 foot MED (Minimum Engagement Distance) as well as have automatic firing abilities mechanically disabled.
3. All SAW Weapons** must be at or under 400 fps with a .25g BB (445 w/ .20g).
*Sniper rifles must be semi automatic or bolt action rifles with a stock and barrel length over 33 inches.  Violating the semi automatic fire or MED rules with a weapon in this range will result in aggressive disciplinary action.
**SAW Weapons are faithful recreations of belt or box fed firearms qualify as SAWs. This includes (but is not limited to) the M60, M249, MG42, RPD, Shrike, and similar models. NO MP5's, M-16s, or non SAW weapons with a drum magazine are recognized as SAWs and as such must follow the AEG rules.

No field fee, no fee for the raffle.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny
Post by: Ziolko on October 09, 2009, 11:54:37 PM
Looks like a sweet scenario, I hope I can make it! :)
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny
Post by: Kileyhaz on November 11, 2009, 01:03:00 PM
Hi All!  I just wanted to take a moment and bump this thread to the top, as we are getting closer to the date and with a remote location we want to afford maximum time to plan your trips.  

Scenario mechanics are pretty much hashed out at this point and we will be fine tuning them based on RSVPs.  Also of note, our raffle swag is based on the total number of people to sign up and show up.  While that increases the competition for each chance at a prize it also increases the chances that they will be getting nicer swag.  
Impressions are strongly suggested, we want to be able to evoke a feeling of being immersed in the experience rather then a large pickup game.  Please take some time to look back over the faction choices above and get your RSVP in for the event, as it helps us plan for the best event possible.

If you have any questions feel free to post them up and myself or azsworst will get them answered for you.  Thank you!
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny
Post by: Kileyhaz on November 16, 2009, 07:07:46 AM
Just wanted to point out that we are topping the RSVP charts at 20+ participants at this point.  Pretty even mix of factions but if your on the fence the Chechens are the team behind right now.  Please get those RSVPs in so we can get scenarios tuned for the proper size and get the appropriate prize support.

Event info is here:
http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option ... &Itemid=44 (http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=44)

RSVP sheet is here:
http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option ... view&id=35 (http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35)
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 12 DEC 09
Post by: Kileyhaz on November 30, 2009, 08:26:04 AM
Greetings All!

Due to the charity games being hosted during the month of December the team has decided to push this event through until January.  This should provide everyone a chance to better prepare impressions for 'Grozny' while being able to support their local airsoft communities in raising awareness of the sport while helping those in need.

The new date is January 23rd.  Times and place should be the same.

The roster will be cleared this week and a new post created with the latest game information and a new roster sign up sheet.  Stay tuned to your favorite forum for the latest or visit us at the event page here:

http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option ... &Itemid=44 (http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=44)
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 12 DEC 09
Post by: azsarge on November 30, 2009, 08:53:20 PM
Quote from: "Kileyhaz"
Greetings All!

Due to the charity games being hosted during the month of December the team has decided to push this event through until January.  This should provide everyone a chance to better prepare impressions for 'Grozny' while being able to support their local airsoft communities in raising awareness of the sport while helping those in need.

The new date is January 23rd.  Times and place should be the same.

The roster will be cleared this week and a new post created with the latest game information and a new roster sign up sheet.  Stay tuned to your favorite forum for the latest or visit us at the event page here:

http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option ... &Itemid=44 (http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=44)

I edited the title of this thread to reflect the new date.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 12 DEC 09
Post by: Kileyhaz on December 01, 2009, 09:40:34 AM
Quote from: "azsarge"
I edited the title of this thread to reflect the new date.

Thank you azsarge!

ALL:
Roster has been cleared and we are now ready to accept RSVPs for the event on its new date of 01.23.10.  If you have submitted an RSVP before today then it has been dropped, please resubmit based on your ability to attend on the new date of January 23rd 2010.  

Please be aware of the faction and uniform choices.  You can find them at the event info page linked below.  While we encourage some effort at doing a realistic 'impression' it is not required, however, there are some general uniform minimum requirements that must be met (i.e. not much choice for digitals).

Stay tuned to this thread for additional details and we look forward to see you on the 'Outskirts of Grozny'.

Event info is here:
http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option ... &Itemid=44 (http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=44)

RSVP sheet is here:
http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option ... view&id=35 (http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35)
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: yammie r6s on December 02, 2009, 12:49:13 PM
looks interesting- see if i can get my guys to register up.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Azsworst on December 04, 2009, 12:15:27 PM
I would like to note that green marpat will also work for any serviceman who cannot obtain woodland for the chechen side. This is NOT an excuse for any joe shmoe to wear marpat.. Doing so will result in expulsion, and I wouldn't like to do that  :(
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kodiak on December 04, 2009, 11:37:23 PM
For those of you especially interested in dressing the part, take a look at http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/, or if you'd rather not leave the forum, my meager little guide...
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kileyhaz on December 07, 2009, 06:07:37 AM
Many thanks to ADM for their support of this event, we know Phoenix is a long drive for this AO.  Just so you guys making a long trip know, camping is allowed unless the Forest Services blacks camping out for that weekend for some reason or another (they should not since we are out of fire season).  

The latest RSVP count is putting us well into the 20+ participants mark with easily two to three times that many additional bodies expected.

Please get those RSVPs in so we can continue to fine tune and plan for the best possible event.

Event info is here:
http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option ... &Itemid=44 (http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=44)

RSVP sheet is here:
http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option ... view&id=35 (http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35)

Expect an 'Impression Guide' from azsworst some time soon, if your looking for inspiration on how to dress the parts.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: shadowmanf14 on December 12, 2009, 09:23:20 AM
Quick question: are there any age limits? is there a team you have to be in, in order to play?  and are there any other rules Besides FPS that I should know?
thanks!
Shadowman
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Exarach on December 12, 2009, 11:06:19 AM
Quote from: "shadowmanf14"
Quick question: are there any age limits? is there a team you have to be in, in order to play?  and are there any other rules Besides FPS that I should know?
thanks!
Shadowman
Right off the info site:
Rules:
-Mid-caps only. The only exception is with the use of a real world support weapon.
-18+ game
-The AO requires Bio bbs (agreement with the forest service) to play there. Bring your bag UNOPENED with you when you chrono. If your bag is open you will not be able to play.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kileyhaz on December 14, 2009, 06:45:15 AM
Thank you Exarach :)

Interested parties, please be sure to read the event page here and at various point in the thread:
http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option ... &Itemid=44 (http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=44)

The page contains IMPORTANT details on what is allowed uniform, rules, and other restrictions.  Myself and Azsworst are happy to answer any of your questions but please do us the courtesy of reviewing the information already provided to you to see if it covers your concerns first.

Keep those RSVPs coming!
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Airsofter1 on December 26, 2009, 09:31:57 PM
I'm going to drag a few CT guys out to this one.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kileyhaz on December 28, 2009, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: "Airsofter1"
I'm going to drag a few CT guys out to this one.

Awesome, I was really hoping you guys would be able to make it out for this one :)
Please fill out the RSVP form for them or have them do it so we have an entry slated for them.

As a general thread 'bump' I wanted to let everyone know we are looking at attendance in the 30's right now (without taking into account CTs signups).  If you plan on attending please be sure to RSVP using the RSVP form so we know how many to plan for in mechanics.

We are fast approaching the event weekend!  If you have any questions be sure to post them here or PM myself or Azsworst.  Thank you!
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: XavierMace on December 28, 2009, 02:23:29 PM
When you say "real world support weapon" are you referring to strictly belt fed weapons (249/240) or are you counting Light Support Weapons such as RPK's or in my case L86 LSW?
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Wicked-Mpact on December 29, 2009, 07:40:54 AM
Quote from: "Airsofter1"
I'm going to drag a few CT guys out to this one.

I signed up.
Looking forward to it. Might have some new heavy weapons by then
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kileyhaz on December 29, 2009, 08:04:27 AM
Quote from: "XavierMace"
When you say "real world support weapon" are you referring to strictly belt fed weapons (249/240) or are you counting Light Support Weapons such as RPK's or in my case L86 LSW?

RPKs and L86 LSW qualify, what we are trying to discourage is the inevitable MP5 with drum magazine.  Basically if you can find it used and provide published proof its good to go.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: MGfoley2 on December 29, 2009, 09:39:51 AM
Quote from: "Wicked-Mpact"
Quote from: "Airsofter1"
I'm going to drag a few CT guys out to this one.

I signed up.
Looking forward to it. Might have some new heavy weapons by then

Can I have the old ones?  :lol: Jk.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: XavierMace on December 29, 2009, 03:37:23 PM
One other clarification.  The uniform requirements state any green camo.  I normally wear MC with CB gear.  Would that still be considered "green" or should I wear woodland.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Azsworst on December 30, 2009, 11:01:14 AM
Sorry man, no MC. Although MC has been spotted on Chechen GRU commanders/Alpha and Vympal at various SF comps.....MC isn't really used by your everyday chechen sepratist. I only chose woodland for the chechen side because of an intresting video I watched some time ago, with a chechen rebel beaming at his "made in USA" clothing.

On another note, I'm almost complete writing a simple guide for 'impressions' to receive an extra ticket for the raffle...be on the look out.

If anyone has anymore questions, don't hesitate.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Fat_Santa54 on December 30, 2009, 05:48:54 PM
To all that are thinking about going that havent been it is an amazing area to play in, it was colder than fuck the night before (like 30 when i woke up), but warms up when the sun comes out

Ill be there the night before like last time.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: MGfoley2 on December 30, 2009, 08:55:00 PM
Quote from: "Azsworst"
Sorry man, no MC. Although MC has been spotted on Chechen GRU commanders/Alpha and Vympal at various SF comps.....MC isn't really used by your everyday chechen sepratist. I only chose woodland for the chechen side because of an intresting video I watched some time ago, with a chechen rebel beaming at his "made in USA" clothing.

On another note, I'm almost complete writing a simple guide for 'impressions' to receive an extra ticket for the raffle...be on the look out.

If anyone has anymore questions, don't hesitate.

My group and I are pretty adamant about our British kit. Is it possible that there was any British envolvment at Grozny?

If not, could we be some type of deep cover UKSF unit? kinda like these guys caught on camera in Afghanistan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogc_mtQ4G7I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogc_mtQ4G7I)
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kodiak on January 01, 2010, 03:02:27 PM
Quote from: "Fat_Santa54"
To all that are thinking about going that havent been it is an amazing area to play in, it was colder than **** the night before (like 30 when i woke up), but warms up when the sun comes out

Ill be there the night before like last time.

 Do people usually camp out on the field?
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Azsworst on January 02, 2010, 01:41:10 AM
I've camped almost every game, gives me a chance to relax a lil.

I'd like to take a moment and let everyone know that the chechens need more bodies! In order to be on the chechen side, you must be wearing at least the top or bottom woodland bdu. Most muj fighters are very rag tag so consider that in your look. I ask that everyone put a lil effort into your look, a better look adds fun points.

Just to make things clear:

Chechen side: must have a top/bottom/both woodland garmant.

Russian side: Any green camo OTHER than US WOODLAND (for now, could change), or any russian uniform.


Everyone should browse through this and get some inspiration.
http://militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=99988 (http://militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=99988)

Or even a movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5zKJ7Vp ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5zKJ7VpSQI&feature=related)
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: PeterDiscount on January 02, 2010, 03:36:44 AM
I would like to know if I can play if I have no camo gear or a vest I would relly like to play I work for discoutairsoft. And this would be my first game plz let me know I don't want to waste anyones time thank you

Peter Gommer
DiscoutAirsoft
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Fat_Santa54 on January 02, 2010, 04:43:56 PM
Quote from: "Kodiak"
Quote from: "Fat_Santa54"
To all that are thinking about going that havent been it is an amazing area to play in, it was colder than **** the night before (like 30 when i woke up), but warms up when the sun comes out

Ill be there the night before like last time.

 Do people usually camp out on the field?

Last time there were probably a dozen of us that camped out
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kodiak on January 02, 2010, 06:48:54 PM
I guess it's probably best for us who live in phoenix. +1 to tent city, Grozny.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: SARC on January 02, 2010, 09:10:55 PM
Quote from: "PeterDiscount"
I would like to know if I can play if I have no camo gear or a vest I would relly like to play I work for discoutairsoft. And this would be my first game plz let me know I don't want to waste anyones time thank you

Peter Gommer
DiscoutAirsoft

I would probably say, Kiley or AZ correct me if I'm wrong, that you should go and invest in some cheap bdu's, I think they have some at Gearbox Airsoft on the really cheap, and an inexpensive vest.  A lot of folks here take a lot of time working on specific impressions and have a whole heap of cash invested in their gear.  You should respect that and at least lay out for the basics.  Plus you will have a whole lot more fun.. Just my opinion.  The organizers have of course the final say...
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: PeterDiscount on January 02, 2010, 09:16:16 PM
Thank you I will go to gear box and see what they have
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Eihger on January 03, 2010, 12:15:41 AM
I only have highcaps for mags on my gun, are there any other exceptions other than heavy support weapons for high-caps?
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Schwer_Punkt_91 on January 03, 2010, 09:09:56 PM
BAS at 2 so far.  Could be 2 more.  RSVPed.

Looking forward to it.  

BTW:  Red Sleigh Down was short a few toys -- meaning, we forgot to put them in the truck.  I took 3 more to T4T.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Fat_Santa54 on January 03, 2010, 10:45:37 PM
What time will you guys be there the night before? (i think it was around 5 last time) and i assume it's in the same place as last time, down that road where the 2 cows stood in front of me for 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kileyhaz on January 04, 2010, 06:08:35 AM
Quote from: "Schwer_Punkt_91"
BTW:  Red Sleigh Down was short a few toys -- meaning, we forgot to put them in the truck.  I took 3 more to T4T.

Doh!  Glad you were able to get them in anyways :)

Yes, FS its at the exact same location as all the games we have held out there.

As a general heads up we are seeing more and more RSVPs at this point.  As such staff has had to remove the option for Russian in order to balance the numbers.  If it balances out in the next few days we may add it back to the roster but for now expect to RSVP as chechens.  Chechens are in woodland camo (green DPM is being allowed as well, since a team is signing 8+ up in that load out and they will be written in accordingly).  Please continue to use the RSVP form so that we can keep track of the total number.  Thank you all for the continued interest.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: MGfoley2 on January 08, 2010, 02:53:48 PM
All of our guys are signed up and ready to go. We'll be bringing about eight men.

We're all planning on camping the night before. Is there any area in particular that we should set up in?
This AO is new to us.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Azsworst on January 10, 2010, 12:42:51 PM
No particular, just don't camp in the game area  ;)
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: MGfoley2 on January 10, 2010, 06:49:39 PM
Cool, I've got a general idea where the staging area is so we'll set up there.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kileyhaz on January 11, 2010, 06:00:24 AM
As we get closer to the date, we would like to remind everyone that this AO is far away from home. Check, double check, make lists, etc.....don't let this game be the one where you forgot an essential item that stopped you from playing. If your camping the night before, make sure to bring plenty of water and blankets since this AO is in a higher elevation and also be sure to keep your AEG batteries warm as the cold will sap their energy quickly.

Make sure that you try to get through chrono as efficiently as possible, this is what usually makes things start off late. Hang out, BS with your buddies AFTER chrono.

Be prepared to go up/down a lot of hills. This AO is mostly hills and small valleys, with lush vegetation. Eat a hearty diet so your not one of the 'few' that drop out early cause you feel like you can't take another step. Bring plenty of water, you will get thirsty.

Radio comm is vital. You can easily lose sight of the enemy, so everyone being on the same page can make or break a game. It's also somewhat of a safety issue. This is quite a large AO, and knowing some....they will go FAR out of the way to flank an enemy. Should someone get hurt and become immobile, a radio would be their best bet (aside from screaming/yelling, and your vocal chords can only take so much).

This AO requires BIO BBS!  You will be required to show them to staff when you chrono in and if your caught using non Bio BBs you will be ejected from the event.  If you don't have any on hand or en route be sure to go harass Ron at Gearbox and buy him out ;)

Looking forward to this one!
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: G1zm0 on January 11, 2010, 06:49:20 PM
Didn't see anything on cost is there one??
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: yammie r6s on January 11, 2010, 09:41:44 PM
no cost
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Azsworst on January 15, 2010, 02:38:01 AM
I'd like to inform everyone that numbers have evened out (we're looking at 50+ rsvpd, with another 15-20 expected) and you can again choose the russian side on the signup form.

If you have any questions at all, please drop a pm to me or kileyhaz.

Don't forget this game includes a FREE raffle generously provided by the fellas at AEX. Come out, have a good time, win some free stuff.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: busta_cap on January 15, 2010, 06:20:24 AM
So, you say any green camo besides woodland, but MC is not okay? ](*,)  What about a ghillie suit? Since you are allowing sniper rifles of 617fps..I would assume you will allow a ghillie.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kileyhaz on January 15, 2010, 07:03:12 AM
Quote from: "busta_cap"
So, you say any green camo besides woodland, but MC is not okay? ](*,)  What about a ghillie suit? Since you are allowing sniper rifles of 617fps..I would assume you will allow a ghillie.

No MC for russians, any russian pattern or Olive drab etc are fine...

Chechens can wear woodland, as pointed out a decent chechen impression would be a wind breaker, beanie, and woodland pants...

Ghillies are fine for either side, no restrictions on those...

Here are the fps rules again:
Quote
2. All weapons are are required to be chronographed and observe a maximum fps limit.  For normal field games (CQB will differ) the limits are as follows:
2.1 All AEGs not covered further below must be at or under 376 fps with a .25g BB (420 w/ .20g).
2.2 All Sniper rifles* must be at or under 460 fps with a .36g BB (617 w/ .20g) and must observe a 75 foot MED (Minimum Engagement Distance) as well as have automatic firing abilities mechanically disabled.
2.3 All SAW Weapons** must be at or under 400 fps with a .25g BB (445 w/ .20g).
*Sniper rifles must be semi automatic or bolt action rifles with a stock and barrel length over 33 inches.  Violating the semi automatic fire or MED rules with a weapon in this range will result in aggressive disciplinary action.
**SAW Weapons are faithful recreations of belt or box fed firearms qualify as SAWs. This includes (but is not limited to) the M60, M249, MG42, RPD, Shrike, and similar models. NO MP5's, M-16s, or non SAW weapons with a drum magazine are recognized as SAWs and as such must follow the AEG rules.

Yes you can eek out 617 fps with a .20g bb on a sniper rifle.  However it must be mechanically disabled from full auto (i.e. we dont take anyone word that they 'promise' to stay in semi) and you MUST observe a 75+ ft minimum engagement zone.  Staff will be strictly enforcing the MED for snipers, if we catch anyone with a gun that hot even 'accidentally' breaking the MED, we will eject you.  In short, if you cant control your knee jerk reaction to getting rushed then a sniper role is not for you this game.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: busta_cap on January 15, 2010, 07:25:38 AM
Quote from: "Kileyhaz"
Quote from: "busta_cap"
So, you say any green camo besides woodland, but MC is not okay? ](*,)  What about a ghillie suit? Since you are allowing sniper rifles of 617fps..I would assume you will allow a ghillie.

No MC for russians, any russian pattern or Olive drab etc are fine...

Chechens can wear woodland, as pointed out a decent chechen impression would be a wind breaker, beanie, and woodland pants...

Ghillies are fine for either side, no restrictions on those...

Here are the fps rules again:
Quote
2. All weapons are are required to be chronographed and observe a maximum fps limit.  For normal field games (CQB will differ) the limits are as follows:
2.1 All AEGs not covered further below must be at or under 376 fps with a .25g BB (420 w/ .20g).
2.2 All Sniper rifles* must be at or under 460 fps with a .36g BB (617 w/ .20g) and must observe a 75 foot MED (Minimum Engagement Distance) as well as have automatic firing abilities mechanically disabled.
2.3 All SAW Weapons** must be at or under 400 fps with a .25g BB (445 w/ .20g).
*Sniper rifles must be semi automatic or bolt action rifles with a stock and barrel length over 33 inches.  Violating the semi automatic fire or MED rules with a weapon in this range will result in aggressive disciplinary action.
**SAW Weapons are faithful recreations of belt or box fed firearms qualify as SAWs. This includes (but is not limited to) the M60, M249, MG42, RPD, Shrike, and similar models. NO MP5's, M-16s, or non SAW weapons with a drum magazine are recognized as SAWs and as such must follow the AEG rules.

Yes you can eek out 617 fps with a .20g bb on a sniper rifle.  However it must be mechanically disabled from full auto (i.e. we dont take anyone word that they 'promise' to stay in semi) and you MUST observe a 75+ ft minimum engagement zone.  Staff will be strictly enforcing the MED for snipers, if we catch anyone with a gun that hot even 'accidentally' breaking the MED, we will eject you.  In short, if you cant control your knee jerk reaction to getting rushed then a sniper role is not for you this game.


Well the ghillie I would sport is a half ghillie that covers my upper half, so that leaves me with two choices, wear contractor tan pants, or MC pants.

I have an adjustable air rig, so fps is only varied by 5fps at most, I tend to keep this specific gun at 600. It's a bolt action system, I am not a 14year old with an echo1 'DMR'  :lol:
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Airsofter1 on January 15, 2010, 12:47:38 PM
Don't be that guy Andy.  Just go buy some used woodlands or od/sage 511 pants.  You can wear the 511s for more than just airball if that helps justify buying it.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: busta_cap on January 15, 2010, 02:30:01 PM
Quote from: "Airsofter1"
Don't be that guy Andy.  Just go buy some used woodlands or od/sage 511 pants.  You can wear the 511s for more than just airball if that helps justify buying it.

Already got 511's just not in od, guess its time lol.  :lol:
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Fat_Santa54 on January 15, 2010, 03:20:29 PM
I went o freedom surplus and got a pair of OD pants for $25, and i know ill use it more than once. for my top if got a shirt thats the same od type color, i assume thats fine?
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Azsworst on January 16, 2010, 02:47:57 AM
yep.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kileyhaz on January 18, 2010, 07:06:08 AM
Greetings all!  The big week has arrived finally and we are looking forward to having everyone out for 'Outskirts of Grozny'.

At this time we are are looking at a pretty even split of 70 to 80 players.  Please be sure to arrive early or on time, if you are not camping out, so that we can get through the pre event formalities quickly and cleanly and get everyone on their way to slinking through the rough and cold terrain while popping bb death on one another.  Here is the schedule as a reminder:

0600 Arrive and preparation
0700 Registration & Chrono*
0800 Pregame Brief
0830 Game Start

Please be sure to be wearing the proper attire for your faction and show up to the chrono station with your bag of bio bb's (must have orginal lable on it) and the weapons you wish to have tagged for the day.

Again as a reminder, the following items are REQUIRED for this event:

a) Bio BB's
b) Non Winding Magazines (Support gunners are exempt with their box mags)

Some items that are HIGHLY suggested include:

a) FRS/GMRS Radio
b) Pocket pencil and paper

Please remember this venue is located on Forest Service land.  Do not vandalize the land, signage, or leave your trash anywhere in the venue.  We want to ensure we leave the grounds in the same, or better, condition then we found them, so that we are invited to return to them again in the future.

Should you have any questions please contact myself or azsworst.

For those just tuning in and having a desire to attend, you can find the event info here:
http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option ... &Itemid=44 (http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=44)

You may RSVP here:
http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option ... view&id=35 (http://deserthawks.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35)

Thank you and see you all this weekend!
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kodiak on January 18, 2010, 12:11:14 PM
My brother went and wrecked my car while I was out of town for a couple of weeks. If anybody can provide a carpool I would very much appreciate it. I live in Litchfield Park, and I was planning to camp out at the field the night before.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Azsworst on January 18, 2010, 01:26:32 PM
Would also like to add:

If you are on the russian side, you are required to wear a white cloth armband. If anyone forgets I will have some on hand for sale (cheap).
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Schwer_Punkt_91 on January 19, 2010, 04:45:30 PM
I remember getting one for a game a while back -- Is it possible again to get a Topo map of the AO with a rough outline of the boundaries?  Thanks and appreciated.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: MGfoley2 on January 19, 2010, 05:57:18 PM
Quote from: "Schwer_Punkt_91"
I remember getting one for a game a while back -- Is it possible again to get a Topo map of the AO with a rough outline of the boundaries?  Thanks and appreciated.

I'm throwing a map together at the moment. I can print an extra one and bring it for you on Saturday.

That is, unless you're russian. Then I'll just feed you false intel and give you a map of Disneyland. ;)
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Azsworst on January 20, 2010, 10:59:52 AM
Opords will include a map. Which you will get tomorrow. [smilie=armata_pdt_01.gif]
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Ranger_Robby on January 20, 2010, 12:05:29 PM
I was leaked a copy of the Chechan map from Foley... i hope this helps...

(http://www.disney-pal.com/Disneyland/images/disneyland_map.jpg)

I'll see you on space mountain.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kileyhaz on January 20, 2010, 01:10:41 PM
Quote from: "Azsworst"
Opords will include a map. Which you will get tomorrow. [smilie=armata_pdt_01.gif]

And for those proficient in your own land nav, you can find the staging area here:

 31°48'2.62"N
110°45'26.64"W

Staging is southern boundary, play area will extend north to the road, west to the road, and east for about 1 mile.

Here is a low res snap shot of the area as well...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/gr ... sample.jpg (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/gracefuldragons/SRBG_sample.jpg)
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: fullmetalsweater on January 21, 2010, 08:26:49 AM
this game still on with all the rain?
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Bow-tie Assasin on January 21, 2010, 02:38:48 PM
Quote from: "Ranger_Robby"
I was leaked a copy of the Chechan map from Foley... i hope this helps...

(http://www.disney-pal.com/Disneyland/images/disneyland_map.jpg)

I'll see you on space mountain.

I would meet you there but i'm not allowed within 5 miles of disneyland, or chuckie cheeses.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Fat_Santa54 on January 21, 2010, 03:08:37 PM
^ you forgot schools
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: quadro on January 21, 2010, 07:31:37 PM
Quote from: "fullmetalsweater"
this game still on with all the rain?
Yes the game is still on. We will be playing no matter what the weather conditions are like. I know one year we played there it was snowing.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: zachbusch on January 21, 2010, 08:14:24 PM
Quote from: "quadro"
Quote from: "fullmetalsweater"
this game still on with all the rain?
Yes the game is still on. We will be playing no matter what the weather conditions are like. I know one year we played there it was snowing.

wont tornados mess with our hopups effectiveness?
and what about the flooding?should we bring blow up matresses so our tents dont sink?
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: -MAD- SARGE on January 21, 2010, 08:26:47 PM
Quote from: "zachbusch"
Quote from: "quadro"
Quote from: "fullmetalsweater"
this game still on with all the rain?
Yes the game is still on. We will be playing no matter what the weather conditions are like. I know one year we played there it was snowing.

wont tornados mess with our hopups effectiveness?
and what about the flooding?should we bring blow up matresses so our tents dont sink?

Adapt...overcome.....as I see it there are others out there who deal with this stuff on a daily basis....I think I can tough it out for 8hrs. This is partly what airsoft is about, got to have some suck factor, it seperates the airsofter from the kids in the backyard 8)
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Fat_Santa54 on January 21, 2010, 10:32:33 PM
95% of the drive is on the interstate, even when you get off the I-10 its all roads taht shouldnt be floaded, not sure about going down to the camping ao, just be smart.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: flashcompany on January 22, 2010, 05:58:16 AM
Is anyone still planning on camping? Also is there any info on the conditions of the camp site?
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kileyhaz on January 22, 2010, 06:06:04 AM
Game is on rain or shine.  Reports have the storm moved out by tomorrow but I fully expect the AO will be wet with a good probability of snow at that altitude (There you go tracker types).

A good portion of the Desert Hawks team will be camping still, as well as misc other player from both Tucson and Phoenix, though we don't have any direct feedback on what the conditions are at the AO at this time...

Be sure to plan for staying dry and warm and plan accordingly to keep your batteries from getting too cold.  While the projected day time temps should be fine for the hardware the early morning cold will likely sap a large portion of your through put if you do not take precautions.

See you all there!
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kodiak on January 22, 2010, 09:39:30 AM
Unless I get a very last minute carpool offer, it looks like I won't be going.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: MGfoley2 on January 22, 2010, 12:29:43 PM
Well, it's looking like the 17 won't open in time for me to make it down. Damn snow.  :evil:

Everybody drive safe and have fun tomorrow.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: zachbusch on January 22, 2010, 05:04:43 PM
heres a link to the areas weather cast if anyone was wondering the chance of snow or how warm to pack

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/fin ... uery=85637 (http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=85637)
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kileyhaz on January 23, 2010, 03:25:09 PM
Thank you everyone who made it out, you guys made a great event AWESOME! I wanted to thank Greg from AEX for coming out and bringing some SoCal folks with him as well. AEX does a great job at making sure we know that they appreciate communities like ours.

Please, hold on to your raffle tickets, when we get some expected additional prize support in we will be calling out a few more numbers.

All in all a great day folks, I heard ZERO complaining or cheating reports, this has to be a first for me. It speaks loads of the caliber of players who took the time to come out and play (IN THE SNOW) with us this weekend. Thank you all.

If you have any feedback please feel free to post it here or PM myself or azsworst. Its only by getting your feedback we can continue to evolve the style of event we offer, so please don't be shy.

I took loads of great pictures, expect to see them up soon.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Schwer_Punkt_91 on January 23, 2010, 06:22:13 PM
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http://www.airsoftarizona.com/forumbb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=26298&p=197961#p197961
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Airsofter1 on January 24, 2010, 05:50:41 PM
Awesome game!  Gave me the one time in probably 7 years to use all that cold weather gear I got in an airsoft game.  
Well designed game, good story.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: darkhold on January 25, 2010, 07:48:16 PM
Really enjoyed the game!  Kiley, you and the rest of the Hawks always put on a great op.
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Kileyhaz on January 28, 2010, 09:37:51 AM
Quote from: "KileyHAZ"
Thank you everyone who made it out, you guys made a great event AWESOME!  I wanted to thank Greg from AEX for coming out and bringing some SoCal folks with him as well.  AEX does a great job at making sure we know that they appreciate communities like ours.  

Please, hold on to your raffle tickets, when we get some expected additional prize support in we will be calling out a few more numbers.

AEX was kind enough to get some more swag out our way this week that was slated for distribution at Grozny.  Since this package is mostly apparel we have decided to forgo the logistic pain of raffling it off online and passing it out.  Instead what we will be doing is including the tickets from Grozny in our next event raffle.  This increases your odds of pulling a winning ticket if you attended Grozny.  So, hold onto your tickets!  If you cannot attend the next event be sure to trade/give tickets to friends who may be going.  Thank you all for your understanding, and once again thanks for an awesome weekend!
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: Fat_Santa54 on January 28, 2010, 01:07:53 PM
no smoke grenades that go off in my face next time i hope?
Title: Re: Outskirts of Grozny, 23 JAN 2010
Post by: yammie r6s on January 28, 2010, 01:14:29 PM
lol