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ECHO 1 M249 MKII vs. Para
« on: September 29, 2010, 10:01:48 PM »
I am looking into getting a SAW for my fire team. I know there are several of you out there that have owned or currently own a SAW of some type. I was hoping you could help me with the pros & cons for choosing a full length vs. a Para length M249. I’m assuming that since the Para has a shorter barrel that the accuracy and distance is not as good as its full length counterpart. If I’m wrong please let me know. Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: ECHO 1 M249 MKII vs. Para
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2010, 11:09:08 PM »
the para barrel is shorter but at the same time its a SAW  the accuracy sucks in general it ment for supression and covering large  groups of tango

the para is ment to be easy to move around without a long barrel

the longer barrel on any other does add alittle range but the groupings stay the same

personally if i got ether i would have a minimi  stock put on it or i would get the a&k minimi

if you are really worried about long/short barrels  order a long/short barrel from evike after you get the mk or para.  real gunners carrie both on the field

the para is respectivly heavier  due to the odd stock  which is why i like the minimi  solid stock, less weight than the para
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Re: ECHO 1 M249 MKII vs. Para
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2010, 11:22:16 PM »
My MK.II gets great groupings the area needing improvement is the hopup. two mods, a seal, and your golden. The long barrel works wonders.
Much more accurate.
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Re: ECHO 1 M249 MKII vs. Para
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2010, 07:48:02 AM »
The biggest problem with the Paras are the stocks are way too heavy, so if you end up getting one, change to a ranger stock or full stock.
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Re: ECHO 1 M249 MKII vs. Para
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2010, 09:38:16 AM »
Quote from: "zachbusch"
the para barrel is shorter but at the same time its a SAW  the accuracy sucks in general it ment for supression and covering large  groups of tango

the para is ment to be easy to move around without a long barrel

the longer barrel on any other does add alittle range but the groupings stay the same

personally if i got ether i would have a minimi  stock put on it or i would get the a&k minimi

if you are really worried about long/short barrels  order a long/short barrel from evike after you get the mk or para.  real gunners carrie both on the field

the para is respectivly heavier  due to the odd stock  which is why i like the minimi  solid stock, less weight than the para

Ya, my driver carried the saw so my gunner could have the extra 203 up top with his 50 cal. My driver had both barrels for his SAW as well (1 long and 2 short), just the long one never got used, usually stayed in the truck. I wanted to buy a Para and put one of those SAW collapsible stokes on it and have both barrels, but I wasn't able to find a site that just sold the full length barrel or the Para length barrel.
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Re: ECHO 1 M249 MKII vs. Para
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 12:16:57 PM »
Get the full length. I have several para flash hiders and can loan you one. The longer barrel is just an extension that screws on just past the gas block. The para stock is heavy as pointed out above, and if you are just going to put a stock tube on it then just get the MkII and a para flash hider.
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Re: ECHO 1 M249 MKII vs. Para
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 02:12:20 PM »
Having used two similarly upgraded M249s, one with the short barrel and one with the long barrel, I haven't noticed too much difference in range or accuracy.

I'd say go with what you think looks cooler.  The added weight of the MKII's longer barrel and any longer inner barrel is miniscule.  The longer barrel is the only difference between the two that you can't usually buy.  The para stock and railed feed cover are both regularly available for sale.  There is a lot of material that can be cut out of the M249 to lighten it considerably.  If you wanted the light setup, I'd say go with the MKII and add a "Ranger Stock" to it.
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Re: ECHO 1 M249 MKII vs. Para
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 03:36:47 PM »
I carry an M60VN, which is both heavy, cumbersome, and hard to maneuver, and you can ask anyone who's played with me - I've never used the bipod.
Reason for using it?  I think it looks better (and it's unique) than any other gun.  Plus the 590mm barrel really adds range and accuracy.

Bottom line?  Go with what you think is cooler.  I've used both the long barrel M249 and the shorter one, and I noticed no different.
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Re: ECHO 1 M249 MKII vs. Para
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 05:34:13 PM »
I myself have never used the MKII, but i have some experience with the para. in my opinion the para is more manueverable and can be used more easily as a moving suppressor. I would assume with the length of the MKII it would be a little more difficult to get around and lay down some fire. the good thing about the para that i know is that it comes with a small extended outer barrel and you can put a little bit longer inner barrel down it, but from what i've seen the para already has some good distance and pretty good grouping.

I do agree that the collapsible stock weighs a ton and it probably should be swapped out for a lighter stock.
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Re: ECHO 1 M249 MKII vs. Para
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2010, 07:54:30 PM »
Could you tell me where I could get a different stock?
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Re: ECHO 1 M249 MKII vs. Para
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2010, 08:13:37 PM »
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Could you tell me where I could get a different stock?
Gearbox sometimes carries them. Just Google it.
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Re: ECHO 1 M249 MKII vs. Para
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2010, 01:40:56 AM »
Here is a basic break down from an airsoft perspective that you are looking for.  Some of it has already been said but I thought I would condense it all into one place.

Barrel Length
In general, a longer barrel provides better range and accuracy than a shorter barrel.  Of course there are exceptions to the rule.  It all depends on how your gun is modified.

Gun Length
Shorter guns are easier to maneuver with (Especially when exiting from inside a vehicle).  Some versions like the Para can actually be heavier though.  Full length guns tend to be visually more intimidating.

Stocks
A full length stock allows you to carry a large battery.  This can be very important for a SAW gunner, especially in a large game.  Para style SAWs are forced to use smaller batteries in the front grip which generally have half the capacity of a battery that can be used in a full stock.  Also, by having the battery in the stock gives you better gun balance.  The Mk-II stock is also more comfortable when shouldering (Unless you have short arms) or in the prone position.  Short stocks tend to be an advantage in thick bush, buildings and exiting vehicles.  Also, you can usually shoulder a SAW for a bit longer since you can pull in it to your shoulder and support it better.  This may very depending on how long the users arms are.

Battery
One exception to the battery is that in most M249s, you have the option of placing the battery in your ammo box.  In most versions such as the Echo-1, A&K and Classic Army, it requires you to run wires from your ammo box to your gun.  The Pro on this is it allows you to carry a very large battery like the Mk-II but still have a compact gun.  Also by having the battery in the ammo box it provides better weight distribution.  The Con for this type of set up is if you only have one of these ammo box and it goes down, your done for the day unless you want to hump another big box mag as a back-up.  By having your battery in the stock or front grips, you can uses M-4 Hi-Caps as back up or you can use a nut sack.

Ammo Box
Most LMGs/SAWs, you only have one choice in ammo boxes.  The M249 and a few other you have several choices.  In the case of the M249, you have the large ammo box (2,500~4,000 rnds) and the (medium) nut sack (1,500~2,500 rnds).  The differences are obvious.  The large ammo boxes allows you to carry more firepower but is bulky and heavier (due to the weight of the BBs).  The nut sack smaller size allows you to move lighter with more maneuverability but at reduced ammo capacity.  As you already know you can use the M-4 Hi-Cap as well.  I usually carry a few as an emergency back-up should my box mags go down.

Below are pictures of several variation to make it easier to compare.  The bottom 3 pics are my gun.  The bottom pic is my current version.  I call it a Mk-II Mod-2.  I went with this version because I wanted a long barrel for better range and accuracy but still wanted an adjustable stock.  My arms are a tad on the short side and the full stock made it difficult to shoulder for a long period of time.  The G&P Improved Collapsible Butt Stock allows me to shorten it when shouldering but extend it when in the prone.  This forced me to move the battery in the front underneath the barrel.  I was able to combine two 7.4 1,400 mAh LiPo batteries to give me a total of 2,800 mAh which is usually more than enough for one day, unless you're playing in a large game.  The only disadvantage is with the RIS there is no quick battery change and I have to carry an Allen wrench with me to be able to access the battery.

Ultimately, it all depends on what you like.

Two thing I do strongly recommend.  One, invest in a good padded SAW sling.  It will greatly reduce the fatigue of carrying one around for any long period of time.  Two, if you're going to get an M249, get a Classic Army.  Brand wise they make the best ones.


Para Version


Mk-46 MOD-0


First Upgrade
M249 Mk-II MOD-1


Current Configuration
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Re: ECHO 1 M249 MKII vs. Para
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2010, 06:47:02 PM »
They're both basically the same. Get the one that you think looks better.

I got the MKII because I wanted the longer barrel and full stock.
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