Introductions

[Hellbore]

Warlock, it's good to hear that paintballers and airsofters are co-existing.  I agree that the BPS battle is a turn-off for paintball.  I used to pursue maximum BPS as more of a technical / tinkering challenge, but lately I have been getting more interested in pump paintball markers.  I think sometimes there is more honor and sportsmanship among pump players.  Tournament paintball players can be quite an abrasive group sometimes so I stay away from that side of it.

I'm a little curious why I don't see more co2 powered airsoft guns.  Anyone care to explain a little?  I hear green gas and propane are popular propellants but why is co2 less popular?  

Coming from the paintball world, I kind of assumed co2 would be the most common power source but I guess that is not the case.

I love tinkering with paintball guns and I think I will be the same with airsoft guns.  Funny story, my nephew bought a JLS-2012 on Ebay for $1!  I told him it was likely to be junk.  When we got it, it wouldn't fire and there was a sound of gears grinding.  I was able to fix it, they had made a mistake when assembling the gun, but even when working, the pellets barely went 10 feet!  Has anyone seen one of these pistols?  I have searched for information on them and found nothing.  I'm guessing they are so junky that nobody even talks about them.  Anyway, I put a stronger spring in the gun and removed the hop-up device and the gun shoots a LOT farther now, but it's still very weak, I think it would only work for very close-quarters fights.  This experience is what prompted me to play it safe and stick to Tokyo Marui guns until I have enough experience to know which guns are good...

[studdermonkey]

Most co2 cartridges won't fit in the gun mags. So, you need an extended gun mag. Which, those don't fit in many pouches. So, it's not the best of things.

Do you plan on getting an AEG soon? And, if so, what are you looking in to?

Heh.. almost 10 posts!

[Hellbore]

Most co2 cartridges won't fit in the gun mags. So, you need an extended gun mag. Which, those don't fit in many pouches. So, it's not the best of things.

Do you plan on getting an AEG soon? And, if so, what are you looking in to?

Heh.. almost 10 posts!

I see... Does green gas run at lower or higher pressures than CO2? I wonder, couldn't they make mags that have a pressure-bearing chamber that you charge up with co2, like some pellet guns have?  You could use a 20oz co2 tank to charge the mags maybe... I dunno just guessing here.

I do want to get an AEG soon.  I was considering the UTG "Navy Seal" MP5 that I saw on ShortyUSA.  I kind of like the Tokyo Marui Steyr AUG though, I just haven't really decided how much money I want to spend right off the bat...  I mean, I haven't played enough to know if I really like airsoft lol...  What I'm hearing is that Classic Army guns are very nice but possibly not as durable as the Tokyo Marui guns.  Your thoughts on that?

I'm a little wary about the advice I hear on different guns, because in paintball, I got a lot of wrong advice as to "which gun is better" on forums over the years.  In time I came to realize that there were lots of good choices out there, and lots of people were biased towards whatever gun they happened to own.  There is a LOT of hype and lies in paintball, lies about how some guns work, about range and accuracy, etc.  I realized that if you can find a source of legitimate information, it's a rare and valuable resource, because much of the information on the Internet is simply wrong or hype.  Have you guys had to deal with this kind of problem, with airsoft products being hyped up or people spreading false information about performance?

[warlock]

I'm a little curious why I don't see more co2 powered airsoft guns.  Anyone care to explain a little?  I hear green gas and propane are popular propellants but why is co2 less popular?

You know, I kind of expected CO2 to be a primary powersource for gas pistols in airsoft, and was also surprised to see propane as the fuel of choice. Like studdermonkey said, though, it comes down to these being replica firearms, and CO2 just won't fit. There are CO2 rifles, but they aren't quite as well accepted as AEGs.

I love tinkering with paintball guns and I think I will be the same with airsoft guns....This experience is what prompted me to play it safe and stick to Tokyo Marui guns until I have enough experience to know which guns are good...

I used to be a Tokyo Marui-only person, but after trying out my Classic Army M15A4 (Thanks, Lightning Man!) I'm thoroughly convinced that CA makes just as good a gun as TM does.

Also, on a side-note about the gas pistols: I bought a pair of KJW M9s, the cheapie blowbacks (they run about $60 each) and those things are as reliable as my timex watch. You pull the trigger, a pellet comes out. I can honestly say for the price I can't beat those guns. They run on propane, of course. I'm looking into getting a CO2 Hi-Capa though, those things are hand cannons.  

[Hellbore]

The gas blowback pistols sound very fun.  The main reason I didn't buy one of those instead of the AEP is because all the people I play with are shooting right around 200 FPS.  I didn't think it would be fair to bring a 300+ fps gun to play with them  :?  The AEP supposedly shoots about 200 FPS so I was hoping that would be an acceptable gun to use against them, as long as I don't use full-auto...  :twisted:

[warlock]

The gas blowback pistols sound very fun.  The main reason I didn't buy one of those instead of the AEP is because all the people I play with are shooting right around 200 FPS.  I didn't think it would be fair to bring a 300+ fps gun to play with them  :?

Yeah. I could see how that could seem unfair to your fellow players. Good on you for realizing how unfair an advantage of having the only painful pistol on the field can be.

Imagine the game we had today: pistols-only 12v12. most of the pistols present were 300-350fps, and they sting like no other in CQB. Nothing too dangerous though, just cover up the soft tissues (eyes, nose, mouth) and wear your welts with pride

[Hellbore]

Yeah. I could see how that could seem unfair to your fellow players. Good on you for realizing how unfair an advantage of having the only painful pistol on the field can be.

Imagine the game we had today: pistols-only 12v12. most of the pistols present were 300-350fps, and they sting like no other in CQB. Nothing too dangerous though, just cover up the soft tissues (eyes, nose, mouth) and wear your welts with pride

I have only been shot by 200 fps guns so far. How does the sting of the more powerful guns compare to being hit in paintball?

[busta_cap]

Yeah. I could see how that could seem unfair to your fellow players. Good on you for realizing how unfair an advantage of having the only painful pistol on the field can be.

Imagine the game we had today: pistols-only 12v12. most of the pistols present were 300-350fps, and they sting like no other in CQB. Nothing too dangerous though, just cover up the soft tissues (eyes, nose, mouth) and wear your welts with pride

I have only been shot by 200 fps guns so far. How does the sting of the more powerful guns compare to being hit in paintball?

Depends, airsoft can leave some nasty marks, like open wounds, but no bruises or those funny looking welts like paintball. Airsoft is defiantely for the serious person looking for MILSIM, thats what 90% of us here are after, the other 10 could care less.  For me it is definately about the MILSIM, but also the comradery(sp?) and friendship gained from it. I have made a few good friends from playing in this hobby(its a hobby not a sport..any 500lb'r can play airsoft too.) Just realize RIGHT NOW, that airsoft is one expensive hobby, sure you can have fun with some springers and GBB's but once you come to a few "organized" games you will get sucked in and probably be up in the thousands like some of us in no time.

Welcome, where exactly are you located around?

[Hellbore]

I'm in Mesa, AZ.  East Mesa to be more specific.

Do you guys usually wear full-face protection or just eye protection?  It seems like I have seen both in the pics.  I have seen some wearing paintball masks.  What is the norm?

[busta_cap]

I'm in Mesa, AZ.  East Mesa to be more specific.

Do you guys usually wear full-face protection or just eye protection?  It seems like I have seen both in the pics.  I have seen some wearing paintball masks.  What is the norm?

Whatever you want...Personally I can't wear a paintball mask and wont, it isnt paintball..Just wear ANSI z87.2 or better rating something and you will be ok..I wear Oakley minutes or straightjackets and both seal my eyes pretty well and will protect against any hits. IT's personal preferance though.

[Gantaliano Hoff]

I'm in Mesa, AZ.  East Mesa to be more specific.

Do you guys usually wear full-face protection or just eye protection?  It seems like I have seen both in the pics.  I have seen some wearing paintball masks.  What is the norm?

Whatever you want...Personally I can't wear a paintball mask and wont, it isnt paintball..Just wear ANSI z87.2 or better rating something and you will be ok..I wear Oakley minutes or straightjackets and both seal my eyes pretty well and will protect against any hits. IT's personal preferance though.

But keep your mouth closed during games if you don't want to lose teeth... ;)

[Hellbore]

I'm in Mesa, AZ.  East Mesa to be more specific.

Do you guys usually wear full-face protection or just eye protection?  It seems like I have seen both in the pics.  I have seen some wearing paintball masks.  What is the norm?

Whatever you want...Personally I can't wear a paintball mask and wont, it isnt paintball..Just wear ANSI z87.2 or better rating something and you will be ok..I wear Oakley minutes or straightjackets and both seal my eyes pretty well and will protect against any hits. IT's personal preferance though.

Oh, I don't know anything about sunglasses that are rated for that, where would I buy that kind of Oakleys or such type of eyewear?

[Vince]

All Oakleys are rated.

[busta_cap]

Alot of stuff is ansi z87.1+ rated now. All oakleys, wiley-x's and Raybans too. I would never play with my RX oakleys though...because the frame for some reason isnt ansi z87.1 rated..stupid oakley.

[studdermonkey]

Alot of stuff is ansi z87.1+ rated now. All oakleys, wiley-x's and Raybans too. I would never play with my RX oakleys though...because the frame for some reason isnt ansi z87.1 rated..stupid oakley.

Wth is your avatar?