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Offline Ares

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« on: April 24, 2008, 09:24:11 AM »
So, I was told by a fairly unreliable source that I am unable by law to place a 4-10x scope and a bipod on my M1A. He claimed that those items would make my weapon illegal to own as a civilian.

Now, I chose to not believe this, but it sounds like a rule that ATF would want.

Is it true?
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2008, 09:42:05 AM »
Guy is a fucking idiot.
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2008, 11:43:36 AM »
If you can legally possess and purchase the components then what law could possibly make the combination illegal?

Anytime someone tells you "that's illegal" immediatly require them to provide you with a citiation to the specific statute that makes it illegal.  If they are so certain its illegal they should know the statute or where to find it.
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2008, 01:00:17 PM »
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If you can legally possess and purchase the components then what law could possibly make the combination illegal?


Say an MP5k (civilian pistol version) and an MP5 stock?  The stock would make it an SBR rather than a pistol.  Correct me if I am wrong (probably am) but doesn't ATF consider that intent to build?
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2008, 01:14:47 PM »
with the mp5k, the stock doesn't make it a SBR, it's just a pistol with a stock.
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2008, 01:22:06 PM »
Quote from: "Maestro"
with the mp5k, the stock doesn't make it a SBR, it's just a pistol with a stock.


Don't EVER give anybody advice that they will use in this regard. ;)

You would have just cost your friend dearly if the ATF got involved.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2008, 01:29:28 PM »
Quote from: "Maestro"
with the mp5k, the stock doesn't make it a SBR, it's just a pistol with a stock.


And that now is classified as an SBR...
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2008, 01:32:20 PM »
the ATF isn't the LAW.  The United States Code is the law.  Sometimes the Code allows the agency to establish regulations but violation of a regulation is not typically a crime.

To be a criminal act there has to first be a statute or code that makes the act a crime.

So if you are going to aver a crime you should be able to first reference that statute or code.  Otherwise its nothing more than bullshit and uneducated opinion.

In my educated opinion......
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2008, 01:45:26 PM »
dude, now i'm guilty of spreading bad info!!!!!!!  <----------hangs head in shame
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2008, 05:42:00 PM »
i see a bipod in my future

thanks for the help

BTW, I want to build another .308 but i dont want another springfield. maybe the LWRC .308. what do those go for? about 2k as i understand
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2008, 05:57:21 PM »
As far as I know (thought what exactly do I know) a silencer is the only thing thats illegal to a civilian.

Clearly now proven wrong

(sorry for the very poor attempt at humor)
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2008, 06:03:42 PM »
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As far as I know (thought what exactly do I know) a silencer is the only thing thats illegal to a civilian.


Not much, it seems.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2008, 06:05:54 PM »
Wow, just, wow.
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2008, 08:05:12 PM »
its good that I'm not a moderator here.... I'd be deleting stupidfucks every day....

remember the First Amendment does not apply to private actions, only governmental intrusions.....
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2008, 09:45:13 AM »
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As far as I know (thought what exactly do I know) a silencer is the only thing thats illegal to a civilian.


Doc, Vince - Backcheck me on this...

As far as I can remember Silencers, Destructive Devices (missile launchers, Claymores, etc) and Automatic Weapons all fall under the ATFE regulations and are legal to own as long as you pay the appropriate Licence fee and tax - read thatMordita
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